Zeemax wonders what sort of a muslim I am, and I enlighten his jahil mind

This is another wonderful series in the rehabilitation and education of Zahid Maqbool Zeemax, the ruswaa randi.

Grab a cup of java, sit back, and enjoy.

Zeemax asks about hurricane's religion
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KalChakra:
Topic started by zeemax on May 7, 2008 6:04:47 am

Anyways, these SufiTwos, from all evidence, fully agree with you and salim bhai in their own private estimation of Islam and Prophet Muhammad, except that they are unwilling to publicly stand with you when you rise to defend Islam and Prophet Muhammad's good name.

This subject was somehow neglected in the swirling abuse, but a very important one.

Now, let's take Hurricane. You would count him as a SufiTwo. Right? He believes abuse to Prophet Muhammad and his family doesn't hurt them because they're dead.

Does it or doesn't it? I want to know.

Is that consistent with the definition of the least degree of Faith? Is it that the SufiTwo's believe it is wrong in their hearts but merely shy away from rising to defend Islam and Prophet Muhammad's good name waty of great personal cost to themselves, as I am prepared to do because I belong to the second category of Faith (see note*)?

Your response please.

Note*: in some ways even the First because it's not only limited to relationships but to professional career as well)

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To which I reply

Zeemax,

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Why not just ask me? Why ask Kaal bhai to explain where I stand? Unfortunately, Kaal bhai may be biased against sufis, and since he thinks I'm a sufi (which I most certainly am not, nor do I play one on chowk), he may badmouth me.

So, let me answer your question.

I do as the prophet did. When someone abused him, he did not empower them by making a big deal out of it.

I am not OK with anyone abusing the prophet. Never was. I don't hi-five the blasphemer. I ignore them.

The more you focus on something negative, the more power you give it.

Now, I have been consistent in my stance. Always.

You on the other hand, have given us all reasons to doubt.

I don't understand where you stand. Choosta consistently abuses the prophet, yet you continue to be his friend.

Based on your worldview, you should be thrashing the living daylights out of choosta. You are not. You are friendly with him.

Based on my worldview, I should not befriend choosta, and ignore his vile attempts to get a rise out of me. I do.

So, please pray tell....where do you stand Zeemax? *-)

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Then Zeemax asks me to clarify further, and I oblige:

Zeemax,

yes indeed I can restate that stance:

There is a very small contingent of muslims that always acts as if there is no gray matter in their heads.

They get manipulated easily.

A blasphemy here, a Quran cartoon there, and they go out and riot and commit violence. Worse, they enable the continuing oppression of muslims around the world.

The prophet (pbuh) was a human being. He died. Now as much as people want to ridicule him, they can't. There will always be admirers and insulters. You cannot silence either. The prophet himself did not attack those that insulted him.

And if you see the rules of engagement of war by the prophet, you will see that muslims should only fight out of self defense. And that does not include attacking people for insulting islam or the prophet. The self defense is never about blasphemy or insult of prophet.

The prophet is long gone, no-one can hurt him physically or emotionally. They can hurl insults at the prophet, but if we don't give those insults any power, if we live our lives as the prophet lived his life, and ignore these people, the despicable matter will have no legs to stand on.

Take the danish cartoon incident. Cause of all the "emotional" outbursts around the world, even more people got into the act of insulting the prophet. The cartoons themselves were published again and again. The net effect was that the prophet got insulted more than if there had been no protest.

Now finally, the danish newspapers were hypocritical. This was not freedom of speech, for they cannot publish similar things about the holocaust. This was a deliberate attempt to create anger and strife in the muslims, to "expose" muslims as uncivilized and violent....and a small contingent of muslims obliged.

The best answer to these provocations is to ignore them.

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for this clarification zeemax states that I am not a muslim, but a water carrier, and I ask him if he considers the prophet, whose policies I am following, was also a water carrier? Enjoy:


Zeemax says
"Post by hurricane,

The best answer to these provocations is to ignore them.

Ok I got my answer.

What you are my friend, is a water-carrier for Islam, not a Muslim. You don't understand even the basics, and never cared to find out, nor will ever.

That's good in my opinion. We need lots of those to keep the enemy constantly in deception.

Now, you're my friend."

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Of course I ask if the prophet was a "water carrier" too, for it is his example I am following when I ignore the insulters and do not befriend them
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Post by hurricane on May 7, 2008 10:24:12 am

Zeemax,

I have that thread, and I will pull it out when you are no longer the focus. [editor's note: this is reference to a thread Zeemax keeps demanding...the thread that has damning evidence about NB]

For now, let's clear up something more important.

1. If the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), ignored those that abused him (And even thrw garbage at him), and if I follow his sunnah and ignore those that abuse the prophet (and not befriend them), if you claim that this makes me a non-muslim and merely a water carrier...would you say that this makes the holy prophet a water carrier and a non muslim?

2. If you said that my mother is like your mother, then why did you call my kutti da puttar and harami? Do you sincerely apologize for having insulted my mother thus (even though I have not called your family any names in all these altercations)?

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Post by zeemax on May 7, 2008 12:08:04 pm
Post by hurricane,

Ok ok. I'll answer you first.

Zeemax, I think the prophet is more important then NB, no?

No. No one is less important than him. That's what Muhammad taught.

So please answer these first...I need to clear the good name of the prophet that is put into doubt by a fellow muslim...so please have a sense of priority answer this if you have a shred of dignity left: Zeemax, I have that thread, and I will pull it out when you are no longer the focus. For now, let's clear up something more important.

Sure.

1. If the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), ignored those that abused him (And even thrw garbage at him), and if I follow his sunnah and ignore those that abuse the prophet (and not befriend them), if you claim that this makes me a non-muslim and merely a water carrier...would you say that this makes the holy prophet a water carrier and a non muslim?

This incident is a popular myth. It never happened. Research it.

2. If you said that my mother is like your mother, then why did you call my kutti da puttar and harami? Do you sincerely apologize for having insulted my mother thus (even though I have not called your family any names in all these altercations)?

Are you a Punjabi? And that too a Lahori? We say these things all the time as insults without meaning anything. Semantics I guess. In fact, Haraami is even used by Urdu speaking without meaning the recipient was born out of wedlock.

However, the term 'maderchod' is considered serious, even by us abusive people. That is NOT forgiven and I did not use it, as you conceded.

Now you meet your end of the bargain and pull out that thread where nb condoned Stuka's rape of Salim's infant daughter!

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Hurricane now demolishes Zeemax for the mental retard that he is
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Post by hurricane on May 7, 2008 12:14:18 pm

Zeemax,

unfortunately your responses have proven to me that you are a true retard:

- call me kutti ka puttar to my face, and I will beat the living daylights out of you. I promise you this. Just do it. Lahori or no lahori.

- call me harami to my face, and I will again...beat the living daylights out of you.

- To you, and all your arguments, it appears that the prophet is the most important...but then you place NB above the prophet in importance. This just shows us your further hypocrisy. I have nothing against NB, may she live a long and prosperous life. I do take issues with some of her behavior (glee at innocent pakis being killed, saying that stuka would merely be having sex with salim's baby daugher. Despicable)

- The incidents are well documented. Including the garbage throwing, including the representative of Quraish that was rude to the prophet while signing the treaty, including the numerous insults the Quraish threw at the prophet consistently, and he consistently forgave them. Furthermore, even according to your own admission, if the prophet did not consider himself the most important, don't you think he would ignore those that insulted him? hmmmm

I feel sorry for you, you pathetic sharabi mental retard.
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And thus good friends, ended today's education of Zeemax, Zahid Maqbool, the Ruswaa Rundi