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Recently by akcheema
.... about the following:
If a book (the Qur’an in this situation) is meant to be from God/Allah, why do two individuals of equivalent intelligence always come up with different interpretations of the text?
There are many contradictions in the Quran; the only people unable to see them are those completely brainwashed and have lost the ability to think rationally. They come up with all sorts of historical/non-historical justifications for these such as the arabic language/literary peculiarities etc. nothing substantial or scientific; perhaps they are not aware of this concept.
There are literally billions and billions of galaxies and star systems in our “known� universe; supposedly we are talking about a creator that is well beyond the confines of any material boundaries; why would such a “person� even care about what goes on in individual hearts and minds on a teeny weeny planet! Why would he be upset about, for example, a woman showing off a bit of skin or someone not observing some ritual exactly how it was prescribed (when there are literally hundreds of such, very contradictory, rituals in Islam amongst the sects; not to quote countless other similar examples.
If the “Loh-e-Mahfouz� was the first thing created with the deeds of all living things and their fate already prescribed, what the hell is the meaning of “the free will�?!
If a ruler of my country wanted me to abide by ceratin rules, I would expect them to be laid down explicitly and clearly for all to understand. Otherwise, I would think they were unjust in prosecuting me for misgivings; why are there so many ambiguities as to what the “true Islam� is; that definition is certainly not unanimous by anyone’s standards as we ll know; the interpretations are so varied and far apart at times that it is mind boggling!
According to the Quran, Allah gave his blessings to the Bani Israel but they betrayed his trust many a times, so he went off them completely and chose a different people for revival of his “Only and True Message�! Are we thinking that an omniscient and omnipotent God, with the inherent knowledge of everything, transcendent through the confines of time, made a mistake!! Then he tried to correct it by chosing arabia for his chosen messanger! How odd!!
Prayer is such a contradictory term, don’t you think. If all is already decided, does God change his mind if we were to grovel before him and grants us our desires as a reward; very confusing!!
The only answers I ever got for these as a child, and many other similar questions, was that we CANNOT work out God’s will and he is the only one who does; what the hell are we doing with our arses up in the air five times a day then!!
All of the above seem to be the desires of the needy and not fullfilled “persona� (to quote Al-Razi); Is it that we have created this “persona� is OUR OWN IMAGE rather than the other way around?
Is our “conflict� with the rest of the world sheer paranoia “they are out to get us�!! and the only reason we cannot accept this is our inherent “sense of pride� so deeply indoctrinated that we cannot listen to reason.
The reason I am talking about the Islamic context here is because that is my background and I wish to discuss the very foundations of this faith. It is all very well to hide behind the “good aspects� of Islamic history and ignore the other “less desirable� aspects, but the question is what it is all based on; without foundation, there is nothing left. I criticise any dogma based on “faith� and th other so-called faiths are no exception to this; however, I prefer people from those cultures to comment on their own cultural heritages.
Problem with being “moderate� is that moderation, whatever it might mean, harbours and nurtures extremist elemnts. Extremists to me mean people who are trying to follow their “faiths� down to the last letter. This Sufism etc have nothing to do with what Islam actually is; it is a digression from the mainstream. Sufis were always at the fringes of mainstream society and their ideas of “Sulha-e-kul� etc have nothing to do with the message of Islam; though I do admit it can make Islam a bit more palatable!
If we had all the “knowledge/Ilm� in the Quran, why would we strive for more; the whole idea of “the completeness� of “Deen/way of life� is not compatible with modernity of any kind, however that is defined. Of course we can cherry pick and find quotes to justify absolutely anything that WE WANT TO; that itself is the biggest weakness of religious dogma; interpretable with vast differences of opinions between individuals of equivalent intelligence!
Surely, they can't ALL be true!!!
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But not well articulated. Let me say it out loud that God is NOT dead. I defy all Neitzchian statements.
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He NEVER EXISTED in the first place.
If the realities of God's creation and the attributes of Islam do not touch your heart, then you are in the wrong faith. Opt out of Islam and simmer in your soup! There is already too much deadwood on the "ship" of Islam.
"BTW our friend tahir must be sitting a dark room, stirring the pot and mutering under his breath, a newt in there, hair or the dragon, the eye lashes of Cheema, frogs legs, head of pig etc etc before casting his spell on you...lol!"
Thanks for counting me as 'our friend'; I don't make friends with atheists or satanists. And never must you imagine me doing anything that you've described from the book you meticulously follow.
I hate to dash all your hopes.
without fail, the scratched record is put on !
Valid silly questions that have already been answered by the One you stand questioning at this website!
Our life spans are like seconds on a watch. Time is for US, to mend after reflecting and applying our minds and souls, AND for making choices for which we are individually responsible.
Looks like you still haven't made your choice in this REGARD!
Excellent and to the point.
I'll add another confusing issue and not only for Islam but for all religions with a reward/punishment system in afterlife.
-Any intelligent and just judicial system is not designed as a revenge mechanism but tailored to showcase a reprehenible or a laudable act to others in teh society. It is also well known that it works only if the reward or punishment is delivered as quickly as possible after the act. Worst criminals, if kept in prison for a life time waiting for a judgement, are usually pardoned as the impact of punishment on other likely criminals is no more there.
God should be at least as intelligent as the humans who are supposed to be his creations. Why does he wait till after death and does not act as soon as a reprehensible act is committed? Won't it be more effective and automatically clean up the society.
sometimes it feels like I am already there!
this is simply an encore Shoaib ... of my very first post here at Chowk
However, till you get there check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newcomb%27s_problem
In regard to free will.
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