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Recently by rhusain
A while ago I wrote an iLog about language and religion, arguing that language defines a religion. Culture is the bigger umbrella. Language is an essential part of the culture and religions that are ‘born’ in a culture (for no religions is ‘born’ in a cultural vacuum) reflect their cultural origin, if not by conforming to it, then by opposing it. For example Islam protested against infanticide, in a culture where infants were NOT murdered, this opposition would have been pointless…
My second iLog was a question whether Islam is for all people and all times. Whether it can rationalized or not, majority of Muslims believe the above statement to be true in literal sense. I will combine the two arguments in this iLog.
Arabic is a rich language. Arabs are very proud of their language and they should be. Quran is the first ever book compiled in Arabic b/c Arabs had an oral tradition before Islam. LI depends on Arabic because it defines the religion. When Persian Empire fell to the Arabs in 7th century and Persians were introduced to Islam, they probably found very little difference b/w Islam and Zoroastrianism. For indeed the concept of one God, Satan, Angels, heaven & hell, prayers, fasting and prophet is in Zoroastrianism, verbatim. They just had to tweak a few details and call it Islam and get out of jizya tax! The fact that they kept their religious terms of namaz, roza, farishteh and pul-e-siraat etc. was the sign that Persian Islam was going to evolve differently than the Arab Islam…because language, in the end, will define the religion.
The current Wahabi efforts are to bring the ‘purity’ back to Islam. They are trying to replace all non-Arabic religious terms used outside of Arabia with Arabic ones. If Islam is for all people all time, why can’t a Persian call his God as Khuda (lord) when an Arab can call his God as Rab (caretaker)? Is it maybe because Arabic defines the LI? The interesting part is that there are pre-Islamic Arabic terms in Islamic prayers such as “allahumma’. After much research and conversations with Arabic scholars (as I am not one of them), I have come to know that there are no linguistic roots of the word ‘allahumma’ in Arabic. They tried to somehow connect it to ‘humm’ which is a suffix for ‘their, them’ in Arabic but it doesn’t really fit in the grammar. This is possible only if it is a borrowed word. In the book of Genesis, the God is “Elohim”, which has linguistic roots in Hebrew as Eloah and plural suffix ‘im’. It used to refer to the pantheon of gods before Hebrew God became “one”…it was much later when He became the ‘only one’. Most prayers in Islam invoke “allahumma” and at best it refers to the pluralistic nature of a Hebrew Diety which over time became one and then the ‘only one’. Since it is an established Arabic word, no one has yet challenged the word allahumma but they have plenty issues with Khuda.
By insisting that Quran should be read in Arabic, that Arabic is essential to learn in order to be a good Muslim etc, one only confirms both arguments: Islam is for Arabs and Arabic defines Islam. The fact is that even if people spend years in studying Arabic, they will still need interpretations to understand Quranic language (note I am not saying understand Quran itself, but only Quranic language.) Personally I love to learn languages but I also know those who can’t, won’t or simply don’t want to. If they cannot be good Muslims w/o learning Arabic, then is Islam a good fit for them?
We have to either agree that Islam has to offer a worldview that can be conformed with any culture/language and create different flavors, or we can agree that Islam is well suited for Arabic society and should be confined to that society. What can’t happen is that we claim that Islam is for all people all time and still insist that in order to be Muslim EVERYONE in the world should study Arabic (the mightiest language in the entire universe) and Arabic culture and live according to the Arabic social/judicial laws as prescribed in Fiqh/Sharia (written by Arabs of 8th century.)
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precisely my point. If there is no bridge mentioned (at least I don't know of any, that's why I asked to be sure) where are the references to a precise BRIDGE OF SIRAAT come from in Urdu language. No it is no metaphorical reference, it is personified as treated as a real bridge. It even has physical descriptions!
I guess what I am trying to say is that the concept of Siraat is in Islam, because it is a 'path' that takes u to heaven/hell, it was very convenient for Persians to infer (insert) a well established concept in zoroastrian religion of a certain BRIDGE. The qualities/character of this bridge in Z is similar to siraat but a bit more animated. you may want to find out more about it.
Oh and regarding your comment on another iLog: I hope I don't come across as blaming religion, EVER! I keep talking about 'our take on it' and never the religion. For without a living prophet, what is religion except words? and what can be done with words except interpret them, they certainly don't interpret themselves, hence NO RELIGION can be blamed for anything, only its interpretors.
there is no mention of bridge in quran, the word mention is "sirat" as sirat-e-mustaqeem, it means path, a bridge over the hell is also like a path to hell or heaven, those who are afraid to cross it will be grabbed by the snatchers and will be thrown into hell.
Hadith says some people will cross over it like speed of light and common among them will be those who either kept thier wuzu regularly & those who have helped the needy regularly.
But the irnoy of our society is that forget helping out needy, most don't even give sadqa regularly and try to save on zakat every year.
Hey hey...rhusain...
I have the luxary to say to Britain you raped our motherland for 200 years, now we will rape your mother tongue for ever....but pakistanis have no luxary as such to use this adage....right?
So dont change yr hinglish;)
BHS75: Siraat is spelled saad, raa, aliph, tau (toin), i believe it means a line/path. Pul-e-Siraat is a common reference in Urdu literature..of a bridge that exists between us and heaven, those who cannot cross it will fall in hell. The bridge is thinner than a hair strand. siraat comes from the term siraat-e-mustaqeem the righteous way. However if you find any mention of BRIDGE in quran/hadith please let me know.
IF that was true, the number of non-Arab, converts will be much lesser than it is in the world. You haven’t backed up your claims with any facts.
EVEN ARABs don’t believe this anymore. Quran was sent in Arabic because at that time Arabs were caught in dangerously evil practices and that was Allah's way of reaching to them "in their own language"
Reading Quran in Arabic can be a spiritually connecting and rewarding experience but it’s not a condition to be a good Muslim.
Quran (read in Arabic or in translation) sets us free of any innovations, so saying Khuda, or Rab, or Allah becomes a logical choice for those who actually attempt to put in an effort into understanding the book, just through the translation.
Surah Maryam, Chapter 19 verse 71:
Sahih Bukhari-Volume 8, Book 76, Number 577
Sahih Bukhari-Volume 9, Book 93, Number 532B
Sahih Muslim-Book 001, Number 0353
Sahih Muslim - Book 031, Number 6090
You can be repaired, Rhusain; use the terms the Qur'an uses: malaikah, saum, salah, zakah etc.
You promote the Persians' revenge on Islam and call God's Word 'Arab Islam'! Only Allah (not ‘khuda’) can help you get back on the track.
You have neither read the Book nor understood its message without the aid of the turbaned and robed ones, and this ignorance is reflected in your misconceptions. Can you point out where in the Arabic text is the term 'pul-e-sirat' mentioned?
Having studied almost all religions and compared various translations of the Qur'an, I see a beautiful picture; why are you bent upon confusing a confused lot at this site?
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"For indeed the concept of one God, Satan, Angels, heaven & hell, prayers, fasting and prophet is in Zoroastrianism, verbatim. They just had to tweak a few details and call it Islam and get out of jizya tax! The fact that they kept their religious terms of namaz, roza, farishteh and pul-e-siraat etc. was the sign that Persian Islam was going to evolve differently than the Arab Islam…because language, in the end, will define the religion."
"one only confirms both arguments: Islam is for Arabs and Arabic defines Islam."
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