SAARC Syndrome: Asia's Burden

re: Ahmed ``mad``ani`s post
(We are giving too much importance to India. We can other NONINDIA blocks. Pakistan , Nepal, Bangladesh can be strong block. )
Agreed. India is in a different league. It is pro-western democracy that sees itself closer to US in value system. It is also fast trasnforming itself into an economic power. The 3 nations Pak, bangladesh, nepal are failed or failing nations.
Pray tell us, why include Nepal. Are u aware Nepal is a hindu nation? I am sure just a minor error on your part.
(Our leadership has wasted time in SAARAC, there can not be Ummah of hindu India, Buddhist Lanka, Muslim IRP and BD.)
Again u excluded ``hindu Nepal`` from your list. One wonders why?

(We should look westwestward to form great MUSLIM Block from North Africa to east west of Japan. This UMS wil have more than 63% of exportable oil in world and more army under commands than India and if armaments will out did india anytime. In UMS IRP can be leading nation due to its unique position and can act as arm of UMS.)
You go, Ahmed ``Mad``ani. I see Urstruly, Romair cheering you on.
BTW, muslim nations may have oil but not the technology to tap that oil. Only the West has mastered that technology. Isn`t God a genious?

(Its necessary to deafeat India on battlefield and then problem will be solved as per our wishes. Then only army can regain its honor, armies regain honors by defeating enemy and putting humilating conditions or otherside not by peaceful resoutions of confidence building measures. )
Spoken like a true jehadi. Impressive words. Now, consult Romair, the Chowk marshall how this can be done. I am sure he has some tricks up his sleeve.
(Close this unnecessary SAARAC drama.)
You got that one right! At last, we are on the same page.
Looks like our good old Madani has some unresolved issues. Or is he, like many Paki chowkies, on to that thing they sell near the Pak-Afghan border.
Sridhar

re: this SAARC nonsense
Clearly, India is in a different league than rest of the SAARC nations. It is not merely the largest nation in that group but also the most diverse, most populous and above all, the most economically dynamic.
Pakistan, Bangaldesh are mired in fundamentalism. Pakistan is unable to look beyond Kashmir and keeps bringing this issue up. For eg, there is no reason to deny India the MFN status (something that will be obligatory for Pak in a few years per WTO agreement), making such a status contingent upon progress in Kashmir. This shows the narrow minded vision of Paki elite and rulers. Trade with India will benefit Pak immensely. In Pak medicines are much more costly. Just one eg where trade will benefit.
India has problems with Pak in terms of jehadi inflitrations that continue to this day. Bangladesh is also becoming another jehadi factory. India is now busy fencing off her borders with that nation. Nepal is having Maoist insurgency. India does have a good trade with Srilanka but has not reached its potentials due to LTTE menace. India seems to be surrounded by all these ``failed`` or ``failing`` States. My own impression is: India should get the hell out of this SAARC nonsense and concentrate on trade with China, ASEAN etc.
Sridhar

`Hindu mentality` thing is a shame for the article. Such stereotypes, even though sometimes they carry some substance, arn`t something to talk about in articles. If hindu has a clever mentality, he has the right to keep it that way and take advantage of it. If we in Pakistan are intimidated by it, why not become secret and clever overselves.

The chauvinism very evident in hindu citizons of india is alarming. We call such people in punjab `nou-doltia` (newly rich). Nou-doltias are often associated with certain abnormal and funny behaviour and are often laughed at.

Like Chowk, SAARC is an exercise in futility.

Re: # 16 ahmedmadani

``Pakistan should look and envision for United Muslims States (UMS)``

Don`t just envision, take some steps to implement it.

Should it be the union of Pakistan-Afghanistan first or Pakistan-Bangladesh?

The only way possible for SAARC to survive and be succeful as a union, is if it expels India out of it. Otherwise, hindu mentality will never let it succeed.

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chowk staff, i ask that this blatantly racist article be removed immediately.

Oneway out is have NonIndia SAARAC.
Meetings of two people can be useful. More than two participant meetings are useless always. As in such meetings mostly people come to conclusion that nothing can be done in this meeting and so they should have next meeting.

We are giving too much importance to India. We can other NONINDIA blocks. Pakistan , Nepal, Bangladesh can be strong block.

Really we should look westwards as people of common faith and different than hindu faith. Now famous people like EX IRP Bengali PM said about Ummah o+o+o+o=....= BIG Zero.
That is not right, there is always one ummah dominating that is Hindu Ummah. That hindu Ummah is not known like that but is reality is Hindu Ummah. So different people, langangue, creed, culture, color, food, cloth very dissimilar are commected by cocept of Ummah.

Pakistan should look and envision for United Muslims States (UMS). Our leadership has wasted time in SAARAC, there can not be Ummah of hindu India, Buddhist Lanka, Muslim IRP and BD. We can be neighbour but friendship is unislamic concept and nonworkable. If it was possible then we will have not pakistan.We should look westwestward to form great MUSLIM Block from North Africa to east west of Japan. This UMS wil have more than 63% of exportable oil in world and more army under commands than India and if armaments will out did india anytime. In UMS IRP can be leading nation due to its unique position and can act as arm of UMS. Most educated and powerful masses of people. Western desert oils of Iraq, Iran and KSA combined with manpower of IRP citizen can make miracles. Presently kashmir problem is stagnating and not necessarily in our favor. All sacrafice made for that cause have not gone anywhere and division country has occured at disadvantage.
Generals have lost faith in themselves and abandoned path of achievement than just giving concessions as people of country are ready to make sacrafice and solve problems and keep India out of misery.
Its necessary to deafeat India on battlefield and then problem will be solved as per our wishes. Then only army can regain its honor, armies regain honors by defeating enemy and putting humilating conditions or otherside not by peaceful resoutions of confidence building measures.
Otherwise we will loose like Egypt and Jordan. Both faught for PLO and were humilated and they were abandoned by PLO. Jorden lost Westbank. There is danger we may loose Kashmir and all sacrafices will go to drains. Indians have not budged on single point. What is point in talking ?. This crossing and opening of border will lead to damage to pakistan in spirit. Why not do same with all Muslim Ummah with Iran and all arab countries. We are paying for f-16, there are hundreds of F-16 with KSA, turkey, if ummah takes place all arsanel will be available against india.
The way things are going, opening railline can result in problems in Sindh as RAW agaents will use that as conduit for spy pumpings. Now some hot heads are talking about United Kashmir State. Then they will start water usage as they want and it will be detrime3ntal to water projects in our countrry.
Talking to India is waste of time instead if war preparation goes can lead to peace. It is sad they have decided to sell kashmir as they sold 3 rivers.
This concept of SAARAC is faulty , its like poison tree and it will have bitter fruits. Close this unnecessary SAARAC drama.

I wonder what the Editor-in-Chief of chowk has to say about it all ? The `hindu mentality` thing ? The fact that such an article gets published on chowk reveals a lot about her mentality.

Ranger
Spare me at least your faux outrage- my ears are still ringing with your posts on more than one website about the Indian Muslim mentality.

By the way...this article with the money quote `hindu mentality` was written in a supposedly mainstream magazine/newspaper in Pakistan by a supposedly mainstream and probably a so-called moderate Pakistani journalist.Says a lot about these people.

Hamid...what to do...its the Hindu mentality at work...

Just like EU imposes conditions that countries bring their legal political and financial systems in line with EU guidelines to qualify for EU membership, similarly India must begin imposing such conditions on its neighbours as a condition for doing business with them.

That might be the way to deal with the `Muslim mentality` in operation in some of these neighbours.

(Now watch the hypocritical whiners jump on me for using exactly the words that an editor-approved author on chowk uses).

``Pakistan wants to be open and frank in dealing with all issues while India, may be in line with Hindu mentality, wants to be secretive and confidential. ``

What is Hindu mentality?
Are Hindus monsters in Pakistani psyche?

I remember one anecdote Saed Naqvi related in his column when India Pak relations began to thaw. He was a guest in a Pakistani home along with one of his Hindu friends. One morning he was cornered by the kid of his guest who incredulously asked him, ”Why are you moving around with that man? He is a Hindu?”

`..........may be in line with Hindu mentality, wants to be secretive and confidential.`

Somebody needs to tell this duffer that by changing religion, does not change the metality.
Most of the Pakistanis are descendents of the same secretive hindus and have the same mentality.