SAARC Syndrome: Asia's Burden

#100 by dost-mittar on December 7, 2005 5:20am PT


You`ve nailed it on the head...It`s always funny when pakis come out of pakiworld into the real world and find that the moral high horse they thought they were on is actually a donkey..

Re: # 97

kab tak ho tumhara suKhan-e-talKh gavaaraa
is zahar meN kitnaa hai asar dekh rahe haiN!

aadaab arz hai

#92 by syedjaved on December 7, 2005 1:30am PT
Re: # 87
``You seem to be the kind of person no one can have any decent and reasonable talk.``

You have a paki mentality genetically, and a mind nurtured on pakistaniyat. So no one can have any decent and reasonable talk with you (well..except Dost Mitter, and offcourse Arjun) LOL.

So remind me...why does India need SAARC again..it seems to be doing quite well on it`s own...

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December 07, 2005 14:49 IST

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Javed Saheb#95:

You have asked some valid question now and I will try to give succinct answers to them. I have expressed these views on chowk earlier but I am repeating them for your benefit.

``They are protecting the terrotry that does not belong to them.``

India`s legal right to the territory of Jammu and Kashmir, including POK and Northern areas, is impeccable. The Independence Act gave the rulers of princely states the unfettered right to join either country or remain independent. Even Jinnah approached only the Maharaja of Kashmir and completely ignored political parties in Kashmir and Sheikh Abdullah, the undisputed leader of Muslim Kashmiris at that time.

``They are killing the people they don`t have any respect and regard for them.``

They are killing people who have no regard for human life, including their own. They have kidnapped and killed many more people than the Indian security forces have and most of their victims have been fellow Kashmiri Muslims who do not happen to agree with them.

``Then why are they adamant keeping them under their authority. India should respect humanity and allow Kashmiries to decide upon their own future by themselves through a plebiscite under the aegies of United Nations.``

One wonders if the modern concept of self-determination should apply to people with the seventh century mentality of creating nations in the name of Islam [Please not that I am not saying that all Muslims have this mentality]. If you disregard the numbers for a moment, you will realise that there are a number of Non-Muslim groups in Kashmir - Pandits, Dogras, Sikhs, Buddhists and Chrisitians. None of these groups wants to secede from India. The only people who want to separate are an indeterminate number of Muslims; even among them the majority of shias (around Kargil area) probably do not want to secede.

When addressing the demand of Hurriyet-follwing Kashmiris, one should ask why do they want to join Pakistan? Is Pakistani passport more respected in the world than the Indian passport? Will their ethnic or linguistic identity be more secure in Pakistan than India (please note that Kashmiris under Pakistan are now indistinguishable from Punjabis)? Will they have access to larger market, more tourists, better economic or educational opportunities in Pakistan than in India? Do Pakistani provinces have greater autonomy than Indian states? Do the Chief Ministers of Pakistani provinces have more powers than the Chief Minister of an Indian state? Do Pakistanis get to choose their governments more often than Indians?

If you look at the answers to these questions, you realise that any rational Kashmiri would choose India over Pakistan or even independence. If not, it is only because of the seventh century concept of dar-ul-Islam and dar-ul-harb, which should not be confused with the modern concept of self-determination.

``What hell will fall on India by just allowing their inalianable right to Kashmiries to decide upon their own future course of action whether to join Pakistan or remain with India or opt out for complete independence?``

Here I am in agreement with you. I think that India made a grievous mistake by agreeing to a plebiscite but having done so, should listen to the what the people want. India has gotten nothing but grief in holding on to Kashmir and in not fulfilling its promise. It will be stronger economically, politically, morally and have a much better international image if it lets go of people who do not want to stay in India, regardless of the medieval mentality that is driving their desire to secede.

``If there is no justification for terror then there cannot be any justification for state terrorism as well.``

There is no justification for state terror. Unfortunately, it is generally an unavoidable consequence of private terrorism supported by a section of the people willing to hide them.

Regards.

#96 by syedjaved on December 7, 2005 2:33am PT


However, we should not foreget the fact that when we talk about Kashmir we are not talking about a piece of land.


That line of reasoning would have been given more credence had it not come after repeated and failed wars to snatch Indian Kashmir away by force...Most Indians think you`re only using the ``oh think of the poor Kashmiris`` line because the ``one muslim = 10 hindus`` one failed..

BTW, if Kashmir isn`t about a piece of land, what about the part of Kashmir you gifted away...you know..to your chicom buddies?

Syed Javed...you have lost your credibility and proved yourself to be a little racist prick.Convoluted explanations like the one below will only make it worse.

Re: # 10
``Hindu Mentality`` has created a lot of fuss and has taken over the main theme of the article. Hindu mentality is referred to the most extremist outfits in India whose doubtful credentials as well as crimes against humanity are manifest even to Hindu masses. The problem arises when the mainstream Hindu leaders unwittingly fall in lines with these outfits and go against their own national interest. As it has happened on the question of Kashmir which has made as territorial disputes completely ignoring the fact that the issue has overriding humanitarian moorings affecting the lives of millions of people in the region. What is holding candid Hindu leaders back from solving a humanitarian issue of gigantice nature in the region?

Re: # 46
Dear I respect your comments. However, we should not foreget the fact that when we talk about Kashmir we are not talking about a piece of land. We are talking about a humanitarian issue involving and affecting the lives of millions of people in the region. The problem with India is that it takes Kashmir as territorial disputes whereas Kashmiries as well as Pakistan along with its wellwishers in International community take it as a problem with potential to make or marr the lives of millions of people. Once India and Pakistan come round to this idea then the solution of Kashmir will not be far behind. I wonder what is holding us back?

Re: # 84
They are protecting the terrotry that does not belong to them. They are killing the people they don`t have any respect and regard for them. Then why are they adamant keeping them under their authority. India should respect humanity and allow Kashmiries to decide upon their own future by themselves through a plebiscite under the aegies of United Nations. What hell will fall on India by just allowing their inalianable right to Kashmiries to decide upon their own future course of action whether to join Pakistan or remain with India or opt out for complete independence.? If there is no justification for terror then there cannot be any justification for state terrorism as well.

Re: # 85
What about hundred thousands of innocent men, women and children who have been killed, maimed and looted so far in Indian Held Kashmir? Is is simply untrue? Pl wake up and don`t blame Muslims for every wrong in the world although they cannot be absolved of their responsibility in making the world far less safe and peaceful place to live.

Re: # 87
You seem to be the kind of person no one can have any decent and reasonable talk with. Why are you pissing around? Go to ......... . We don`t need to bother about intellectual terrorists like you san intellect. Why cannot you talk sense and sensibily too. You seem to be some sort of mentally twisted and morally depraved creature called human being. Pl discuss the article thoughtfully without calling names. Then it may be too much to expect from you. regds

Re: # 87
You seem to be the kind of person no one can have any decent and reasonable talk. Why are you pissing around? Go to ......... . We don`t need to bother about intellectual terrorists like you san intellect. Why cannot you talk sense and sensibily too. You seem to be some sort of mentally twisted and morally depraved creature called human being. Pl discuss the article thoughtfully without calling names. Then it may be too much to expect from you. regds

Re: # 89

I will take Indian politician to run the country and Indian military to protect the country
any time over Pakistani counterparts.

#89 by HP on December 6, 2005 11:15am PT

Aww...another paki cab driver, pissed off at the fact that allah`s soldiers haven`t been able to dislodge the bania from Indian Kashmir...

Kashmir banega Pakistan!!

#88 by arjun_m on December 6, 2005 10:23am PT
“#83 by syedjaved on December 6, 2005 4:48am PT

Why should India have the largest concentration of any army on earth in Kashmir?
Because they can.”

Because they have 1 million joker of an army and they can’t find any work for them. Some of them are just cardboard cutouts.
Because the one Million strong army can’t take out 2000 barely armed men.

Because the Indian govt is clueless like most of its citizens.

Because the Indian parliament wishes to spend time on Nut-war singh affair and not on resolving real problems.
Because the Indian democracy is a joke with jokers climbing ropes in the Parliament.

Because 20 years is not enough time for one million strong army to deal with unarmed women and Children.