The Invisible Editor, My Foot!

Madam editor,

I am posting it here on this dormant board because I can not think of any other permanently relevant board and (unlike others) I do not like to burden my i-log area with all kinds of trivialities – and certainly not do so on a permanent basis.

Please be assured that this interactor is already familiar with the “faq” stuff on the interact index (II). There is nothing in there which counters the very legitimate concerns that this interactor has earlier raised regarding the built-in bias and potential for abuse of this whole system and how – because of the way such things get institutionalized in this “world” – its close resemblance to a chowk “caste” system – with the ultimate II of 4.0 attaining that chowk “Brahmin” status (and perhaps a 5.0 (which I have yet to see) the ultimate stage of Nirvana which is rarely achieved in THIS life!)

Here are the following recommendations you may seriously wish to consider (REALLY seriously):

1) Whoever is/are chowk “staff” and scoring interacts must never be an interactor – otherwise the credibility will always remain clouded. (This may call for a certain degree of sacrifice from those of “chowk staff” who may be addicted to interaction – they need to make up their minds which of the two functions is important to them – and pick one (and one only)!)

2) Either an interact meets the guidelines – or it does not. Accordingly, the score should be either 1.0 or 0.0 – none of this subjective grading from -1 to +5. For most interacts, it is easy to see if it is a 1.0 or 0.0. (The use of abusive terms could be 0.0, for example) If there is legitimate doubt – then the default needs to be 1.0 – following that old logic of “innocent unless proved guilty”.

3) The score of each interact must be displayed right on its header line (where the time stamp appears). There is no other way to ensure absolute transparency.

Oops, I forgot to mention the interact index!

You see ma’m, the above approach simplifies things in such a way that there won’t be a need for an interact index. Individuals can hang on to their precious II with pride – like certificates on a wall!

Sincerely,
BJK.

Dear Madam editor,

Because of perhaps obvious reasons, I had cut myself off from both chowk and g-mail for a couple of months, and have only made a limited return now. Staying away is very much doable, but not easy (and I can perhaps understand how difficult it probably may be for others.)

I do not know what all happened earlier behind the scenes at this web site and perhaps at this point it is not important. I have always believed that being a chief editor requires less the talents of a high profile writer/columnist (and there may exist differences of opinion regarding what constitutes such talent (this e-mail writer does not even claim objectivity on the individuals concerned)) but it does require a lot of leg-work and time and someone who is willing to put in the necessary effort and it helps to be able to get along with people (all people, and not just one’s cronies and groupies and adulators (somewhat derisively called the members of the “intellectual” harem (and one should not read too much into the actual gender of the “harem” members))!

One can always question the wisdom of such decisions – but once made, there is little point in second-guessing – because after all this is not a democratic set-up, it is privately “owned” (to the extent that a bunch of constantly-crashing computer databases, highly clunky Perl code, and perhaps some bargain basement priced cheapo servers (desi owners do not have a formidable reputation of paying serious dough – and the high wages the chowk writers are currently busily hoarding away with both arms is just one indication!) can be “owned” – most people with an iota of sense would know instinctively that the real asset lies in the healthy variety of opinions and in letting those thrive and communicate without hindrance).

Therefore, I wish you the best of luck. It has been earlier pointed out that your credentials are not (and have never been) the issue.

Freedom of speech is important to me and should be so to everyone with a sound head on shoulders. The fact is that not everyone carries such a head. (Some may say the same about me.) I am sorry I have in the past used the term ``morons``. It is perhaps wrong to call such people morons – if they are intelligent, then it is inappropriate to call them so– but even if such designation is highly accurate, as I have in the past suspected the case, because of the characteristics peculiar to those who qualify for such terms, clearly they will fail to see the merit in such designation and will react in a knee-jerk manner – as others claim is currently being evidenced.

Anyhow, let me point out my three reasons (which others dissenters may consider) for returning:

First, the web site is a good outlet for creative output (or perhaps an occasional outburst) of any kind. I particularly like the i-log part of it (and I hope that nobody here has yet stooped so low as to go after censoring those, too.)

Second, there is new talent coming up all the time. Some of those talents could really use the encouragement that comes from fellow writers (and writer wannabe’s) to improve their abilities. (Not all new talent is equally sure-footed as the “old” talent and, come to think of it, most of the current crop of the “old” talent could also benefit immensely. (I am not implying that “old” refers to age.))

Third, I do believe that the presence of moderating voices is important and the site is a better place if people are present who are making counter view-points known, especially someone like (let us say) T-bhai who is naturally polite (this interactor makes no such claims for himself. (For me, there is little point in using made-up names if I have to be of necessity “polite” to individuals who deserve no such courtesy – and also display no such attributes themselves!))

A legitimate point has been made that the chowk management/editors have no objectivity themselves. But in the absence of dissenting voices, they will not even know how lousy they are.

And could continue to exchange thoughts only among cronies!

And (what is even worse), a continuous proliferation and full-fledged inbreeding of half-cocky and half-asinine thought processes could go on forever!

Like sands through the hour-glass!

Imagine how grating that could become (shudder)!

I am not recommending any particular course of action for anybody here, but urge everyone to consider these points carefully.

Sincerely,
You know who.
(No point in naming names and getting this last nick banned, too.)

PS: any past references to the chief editor as “cheap” editor should not be considered to be of a derogatory nature – it might even be a literally accurate description of the wage scale involved (I have no personal knowledge of such scale)!

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I thought that the following comment I made to Dawood is relevant to the discussion with the feminazis:

Dawood,
Thank you for a relevant and timely discussion about how to move forward. We all agree that the status of the majority of women (and men) in this world is unacceptable. Where we differ in opinion is that while those who are sincere, and this group includes most women and most men, really want to help women socially, economically, politically, and effectively, there is a minority of women, with very few men along for the ride, who could care less about women and their real issues. This tiny minority just wants to practice misandry, create an Amazonian utopia where men don`t exist, and build sand castles of female domination, unabashed lesbianism, and uncontrolled hysteria. It is important to focus on the first, and gently ignore the second.

#198, I meant debauched.

Sadna,
Speaking about abuse of females, what say you concerning the immoral, abusive, unethical, stone-hearted, cruel, and debached behavior of Pandit Ji as his dear wife lay dying in a hospital far away from home?

Sadna #196,
You are having personal problems with obtaining, maintaining, and securing your passwords and you are asking me to seek psychiatric assistance?

You have a password problem with ``sadna,`` so you are compelled to use ``orangpeko.`` Yet you are able to log in using either nick.

So, did the little green men in the saucy vehicle propose to you in unison or one by one?

Salim_Chauhan
Since you claim to have a straight line to the chowk staff and to the Holy Prophet maybe you can get chowk staff to allow me to change my password on `sadna`. As long as I am not allowed to change password on `sadna`, chowk community can scarcely complain about my having a second nick, especially since I have posted a grand total of 4 posts using that nick on FP counting the one on this thread.

You need to get psychiatric help if you are actually using the Prophet to justify your filthy posts about women day in and day out. Other posters who post obscenities just post obscenities without offering divine or moral justifications for their actions as you are doing.

#191, Sadna {``then he said he is only imposing morality on women posters. ``}

Sadna,
Alas, that is my missionary position. In the absence of the Lord on earth, someone has to do His job. :) Repent or else!

#192, Sadna,
Then why are you compelled to use ``orangepeko`` your multiple nick? So, if you use multiple nics, it must be for a worthwhile beneficial reason (such as solving world hunger) and when your opponents use a multinick, it must be sinister, harassment, evil, and abusive. See the absence of logic in your position. Why must you always assume a missionary position - my religion right or wrong, you better see my God and be saved, or else?

#191, Sadna,
You forgot the PBUH suffix. :)

Salim_Chauhan
I don`t use multiple nicks to harass and abuse posters like you do. I always say who I am.

Chowk Staff,
What is going on here? Apparently sadna and orangepeko are multiple nicks of the same interactor - someone who complains about multiple nicks harassing her and other females on Chowk. Isn`t this an admission of guilt? Please ban the multiple nick and recognize the sham and hypocrisy of the feminazis` complaints.

Thanks,
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#173 by orangepeko on December 13, 2005 8:35pm PT
mannyd #170
I wasn`t asking for censoring, I was complaining about selective censoring. The purpose of rules is to encourage more people to post not to give protection or justification to one`s favorite posters who post abusive posts but can`t handle replies to them particularly from women. In any case, most women who posted before no longer do on UP or FP so you already have your wish.

#189 by sadna on December 14, 2005 8:09am PT

mannyd #170
I wasn`t asking for censoring, I was complaining about selective censoring. The purpose of rules is to encourage more people to post not to give protection or justification to one`s favorite posters who post abusive posts but can`t handle replies to them particularly from women. In any case, most women who posted before no longer do on UP or FP so you already have your wish.

(#173 is me)
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mannyd #170
I wasn`t asking for censoring, I was complaining about selective censoring. The purpose of rules is to encourage more people to post not to give protection or justification to one`s favorite posters who post abusive posts but can`t handle replies to them particularly from women. In any case, most women who posted before no longer do on UP or FP so you already have your wish.

(#173 is me)

#167 by scout on December 13, 2005 6:32pm PT
Godot, One more question, are you the editor in chief`s spokeperson? If your spokespersonship is totally voluntary, I think she can take care of herself and speak for herself. ``}

Scout,
If I recall, under the old regime, you were certainly going around bragging about your ``special`` relationship with Chowk Management and Staff - often speaking for them and threatening to get people banned. I think there was a post from you to Burpy where you boasted about having many Chowkies expelled from Chowk. Funny, how you own rules of interaction don`t seem to apply to you. Do you understand why you are hated so much by so many?

Scout #166 {``Whatever Samina has said she has said in retaliation. How would you feel if ONE single interactor plastered your picture all over Chowk (without your knowledge or permission) and made disparaging comments about it? Salim_Chauhan and gujju aka Ranger did this to both Samina and Sobia... Sobia had started ignoring him and he posted something about how her hymenoplasty surgery went in Lahore, without any provocation. ``}

Scout,
I was trying to avoid exchanging insults with you, but with your continuous lies and twisting of facts, you leave me no choice but to correct you, over and over. Saminasha does more than retaliation, just like you, she instigates with unprovoked such as ``Beeyatch and namard.`` I was not the one who posted pictures of Saminasha and Sobia. Other people did that from public websites that were not protected by passwords or copyrights. So, you are lying - Gujju can validate your blatant attempt to spread falsehood here. Also, I never mentioned Sobia by name in the thread I started about a girl in Chicago recovering from an operation. You are the one to associate Sobia with that thread.

Now, the most important issue concerning you. Did you not start a thread and call the Holy Prophet (PBUH) a ? Are you proud of that accomplishment? Was that not a stupid, insensitive, unethical, offensive, idiotic, and tasteless action on your part?

I have resolved not to interact on Chowk UP because the constant bickering and exchange of insults with you and your gang is getting boring and very unproductive. I do caution you, however, that should you engage in further blasphemy, incessant falsehoods, or personal attacks on me, I will return to Chowk UP and give you ten-fold in retaliation as I have always done, to your chagrin. Flatulence will cease to be your top problem.

#158, {``#158 by Saminasha on December 13, 2005 3:26pm PT
Re: # 157
When we develop a website, you can be sure you`ll never step foot on it. ``}

Saminasha,
With that attitude, why do you wonder when you are passed over for the important job of Editor? There is not a single ounce of objectivity, fairness, and logic in your massively overweight body. If you develop a website, or by some quirk of nepotism, you are appointed Chowk Editor, make sure you tell us all, so that we can avoid you like the plague. That is exactly what you want, so you can be ``andhoN meN kaani raani.`` That`s the only way for you to win all your debates.

Isn`t orangpeko another nic used by Sadna? And she has the nerve to complain about other people`s multiple nicks?

I am caught between two issues that are not even remotely related to each other - Veeresh/Omar/Kaka debate on Farzana`s invisibility and the polite yet lively discussion among Samina/Godot/Sadna/Scout/Mannyd on the propriety of making Salim invisible forever. :)

We have a highly visible and well-renowned editor of a thriving Karachi bird cage flooring advocating invisibility for a Chowk editor. We have a food-tasting Ibn Batuta from Air India, taking time off from his desire to turn Lahore into a combination of Bangkok and Singapore, talking about the eminence and journalistic stature of the Dawn fortnightly. I rate a newspaper`s frequency by the number of days it takes the paper to come up with relevant and unbiased news. Then we have Kaka, meddling for no reason, other than to remind the visible and intelligent editor of the Karachi daily about personality issues and problems with the Chowk Editor had not even Dawned on him to this point.

I think the best course of action, like the wise and horny bear, is to be patient. Let the hunter expose himself and then BAM. As for the Dawn editor, may he bask in the knowledge that of the 8 million parakeets and parrots responding to a Hindustan Times survey, voted his daily as the preferred floor covering for most two-legged creatures. Yes, the ones with the feathers and not the ones who are too dumb to fly, and then if they do, write incessantly about the bad food they ate while flying. As for Kaka, all I can say is that when you take Khamkhwa and remove all the irrelevant, meaningless, and surplus letters, indicating pure bullshit and hot air, you are left with just kaka.

For the moment, I have a reputation to protect and so I will join my friends, Godot and Mannyd in responding to the falsehoods fermented by the flatulent feminazis.

also, mr haramzaad, i think you need to read (if you must) my ilog more carefully if you want to comment on writing anonymous editorials -- they are anonymous for a reason in any case -- obviously lost on those who run this site

no you moron (aka hamzaad) -- someone who has been teaching maths for 12 years and has been doing a reasonably okay job at it would be someone i would want to hear advice on how to teach math if i were just starting off -- only a maha moron like you would compare Dawn to chowk and call the former a `rag` -- as would many others here i am sure (but then they aren`t know for being big admirers of anything pakistani) --

veeresh -- i am afraid your comments dont count for two reasons -- bad timing and the sheer vindictiveness of your tone (bay chara uncle) and two, anyone who review air line food is not qualified to comment on the pakistani print media -- and btw you are not really helping your cause by writing such drivel here in any case -- but it`s the same rag isnt it to which you recently emailed a letter to? isn`t it, again referring to your silly and facetious arguments on the print media in pakistan and india? you need to grow up unkill jee --

and btw how quickly you forget the email that you sent me seeking help for Indian POWs allegedly held by Pakistani authorities -- strange that you would send that to someone you don`t consider a journalist

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or wait, all this here on this board is part of your act , or was the email as an act -- what is it unkill jee, i am confused now

and i dont know about this indian journo, but editors are meant to be invisible for a reason -- which i think goes beyond the morons on this website -- and trust me shri veeresh/haramzaad jee -- it`s got nothing to do with being ``jealous`` -- i think someone who reviews airline meals should be jealous actually of quality sites such as this -- as for mr bahal i have no inclination to judge what he does or does not do on chowk and dont frankly care if he chooses not to have an opinion --

there r morons and then there are morons

Re: # 181

Brother Omar,

Kindly note that kaka had not opined on the merits of an `invisible` editor. To win that argument, kaka needs to locate a monkey with the necessary experience (10 years on the beat, 12,000 published stories etc) since the validity of an argument is not the criteria but, apparently, the experience of the monkey is.

Writing anonymous/credited editorials in a language that nobody speaks.. under a dictatorship (whose DanDa language everyone understands) that can pull the newsprint from under your feet.. do you really want kaka to spell out how pathetic your existence is? Your insistence on the invisbility of an editor may have something to do with the dictatorship that you live under.. or just the general violence of your surroundings. Please write an editorial about it and make a battee out of it.

As for Veeresh emailing Dawn about POWs.., know that if a monkey were to be sitting writing the `anonymous` editorials for Dawn, then veeresh would have contacted that monkey, notwithstanding the journalist credentials of the monkey. Your job is to facilitate the communications and not monkey around with the concerns of POWs or the people who care for them. Now get to work.

Sweet :)

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1. Metros
2. Retros
3. Patriarchs
4. Power-seekers

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* 29 percent say: ``He`ll never amount to anything.``
* 24 percent say: ``Everyone laughs behind your back.``
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* 73 percent of men prefer to have a job that they love versus a job that pays well.

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2. Be a world famous sports star.
3. Marry a supermodel.

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sorry for double post, that was a glitch.

Dear Farzana Versey
Editor-in-chief
chowk.com
I am just surprised to read this post by one of the interactors, just have a look,

{{{{{i think i am slightly more qualified than most other people here to tell you that the editor should be invisible}}}}}}

I am just speechless on this sentence, and esp. coming from someone who claims to be a big journalist and writer. In my point of view, writers and jouranlists are much more sensitive and matured LOTS than most of us COMMONERS, but, seeing this response makes me feel , i am wrong, NOT all of them are!!!!!!!

I believe all of us chowkies are equal regardless of any personal qualifications. If, I am a big shot, that doesn`t make me superior to others. All of us come to this web site with the mindset that we are going to a web site , which will not see us as distinguished from others.
What makes us DISTINGUISHED is how we interact with each other, how we respect eachother`s rights to interact on equal grounds , while keeping in mind that each and every one of us is as much important for this web site as CHIEF EDITOR herself is or any other writer or jouranlist is!!!! We are the ones , who make chowk!!!! We are the ones, who make a difference!!!!!

Each and everyone of us has his/her own unique opinion which is being respected and responded with out any bias

If, we go by qualifications ,then i am quite sure that my respectful writer friend, who mentioned his qualifications and who demanded a superior treatment(( based on his qualifications)) from you for having more right to order you to change your VISIBILITY in to INVISIBILITY ,will be far far far behind in this LINE of all qualified chowkies................

So, again Farzana dear
Invisible editor, my foot. Yes, invisible editor, my foot, too.....................

Take care
Sincerely
Zeena

Dear Farzana Versey
Editor-in-chief
chowk.com
I am just surprised to read this post by one of the interactors, just have a look,

{{{{{i think i am slightly more qualified than most other people here to tell you that the editor should be invisible}}}}}}

I am just speechless on this sentence, and esp. coming from someone who claims to be a big journalist and writer. In my point of view, writers and jouranlists are much more sensitive and matured LOTS than most of us COMMONERS, but, seeing this response makes me feel , i am wrong, NOT all of them are!!!!!!!

I believe all of us chowkies are equal regardless of any personal qualifications. If, I am a big shot, that doesn`t make me superior to others. All of us come to this web site with the mindset that we are going to a web site , which will not see us as distinguished from others.
What makes us DISTINGUISHED is how we interact with each other, how we respect eachother`s rights to interact on equal grounds , while keeping in mind that each and every one of us is as much important for this web site as CHIEF EDITOR herself is or any other writer or jouranlist is!!!! We are the ones , who make chowk!!!! We are the ones, who make a difference!!!!!

Each and everyone of us has his/her own unique opinion which is being respected and responded with out any biase

If, we go by qualifications ,then i am quite sure that my respectful writer friend, who mentioned his qualifications and who demanded a superior treatment(( based on his qualifications)) from you for having more right to order you to change your VISIBILITY in to INVISIBILITY ,will be far far far behind in this LINE of all qualified chowkies................

So, again Farzana dear
Invisible editor, my foot. Yes, invisible editor, my foot, too.....................

Take care
Sincerely
Zeena

If all editorials were like this. Omer r. Qureshi, dawn should take a leaf from this.

mannyd #170
I wasn`t asking for censoring, I was complaining about selective censoring. The purpose of rules is to encourage more people to post not to give protection or justification to one`s favorite posters who post abusive posts but can`t handle replies to them particularly from women. In any case, most women who posted before no longer do on UP or FP so you already have your wish.

Sadhna Ji # 165: Thanks for your response. Just from reading your first paragraph, I understand that Salim or chowkies like me, who support his arguments, have not broken any rules and laws of Chowk UP. So far so good.

In your second paragraph, you go back to #141, which is a compilation of posts from UP. It seems that you do not like the rules of UP. If so, why go there? Stay on FP. If a female does go there, she should be prepared to forego the role of dainty damsel in distress. Just look at Zeena flaying Hamzad, who is singing Hail Maries non stop but loving every minute of it....LOL.

From what I have gathered so far, there have been no violations by Salim or his sick supporters on FP. Actually on FP Samina has called me Beeyatch and told me to change my political views, Zahra has called me Sicko and prescribed change of religion for my wife and all I have done is bleat meekly about Feministas.

You said `His filthy posts have that way of exposing the hypocrisy and misogyny of other posters.` So they do some good.

Again, you say `So the women he targets (most woman posters on chowk ) lose all respect for those who back him when he does so.`

If Chowki women`s respect is so fickle that an innocent man, who broke no UP laws, must be thrown to a female lynch mob, it is not worth the cost to me.

` Anyone can correct me if I am wrong but finally virtually no woman wants to interact here. Why complain because I point this out?`

I would hate to see anyone leave, specially you. You have been always polite, a good interactor and an excellent debator.

I am complaining because I do not like censorship and if a corner( UP) is left without moderators, it serves as a relief vent for people, who must behave like that. It definitely is not a complaint against you.

i wish the editor of this website would refer to me by name when she talks about what i said -- never claimed to be an `authority` on journalism ms versey -- but i think being in this profession since 1993 (with a one-year break for my master`s), having been a reporter for five years, editorial writer for five years, and written hundreds, if not thousands, of reports, stories, features, interviews, comment pieces and of course editorials, and worked in the news room, on the letters to the editor section and on the weekly magazine sections, among other things, i think i am slightly more qualified than most other people here to tell you that the editor should be invisible -- the best you could come up with to discount the opinion of such authorities was to say that they should stop looking through `pigeon holes` -- tch tch

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and yes this isnt a news site and shouldnt pretend to be one -- asking NFP to `go out` and file a report is not the same as a reporter in a newspaper doing it as part of his or her beat

in any case, the founders of this site have always claimed that this was a labour of love and done by people who did other things -- which leads me to wonder whether the editor is now a paid position or not?

Re: # 169

`i think i am slightly more qualified than most other people here to tell you that the editor should be invisible`

Your argument hinges on the logic that you would care to listen to only an individual whose experience and education is at par (or more) with yours. Let kaka find an idiot like that who, incidentally, believes the opposite of what you think and then let you two monkeys fight it out..

In the meantime, let kaka disclose what is at the heart of your `advice`.. The rag that was founded by an aloof Jinnah, printing in a language that is the vehicle of the gentry is being overtaken by the realities of technology while you invest your time and brains writing anonymous editiorials which make a dick of a difference everyday. This website mixes the sensiblities of the vernaculars with the compulsions of technology in the only way that it can be done and you want a piece of it. The best you could come up is lame and Versey is so kamini that she won`t even print your name while mocking you.

If it is any consolation, saminasha is burning like hell too. She has already accepted an offer to be the editor for a month while demanding royalties for teaching words like `diaspora` and `namard` to this website. kaka, in turn, has copyrighted his nomenclature for Pinkie, Twinkie and Bushra.

Re: # 169, Omar says that . . . ````i think i am slightly more qualified than most other people here to tell you that the editor should be invisible```` .. .. .. while I don`t want to go into your qualifications or lack of thereof, I think most anybody who does not have to work under the yoke of a dictatorship is more qualified than you to tell you that your viewpoint that the editor should be invisible is simply your viewpoint and nothing to do with your eminent status as a journalist or authority therein.

You want to compare yourself with journalists? Benchmark yourself against Aniruddha Bahal, who, incidentally, is a chowk writer too but doesn`t go around insisting that everybody needs to exist in some sort ``world according to Garp`` kind of undertow.

Chowk was and will continue to evolve dynamically. Why do you have a problem with something as simple and factual as change, Omar?

Godot,

One more question, are you the editor in chief`s spokeperson? If your spokespersonship is totally voluntary, I think she can take care of herself and speak for herself.

Godot,

Dude, why are you getting all bent out of shape if the female interactors on this website won`t tolerate hate speech against other females and speak out against it?


If we didn`t care for Chowk we wouldn`t be worried about what kind of trash is being posted here against women.

You keep harping on why, if she is so upset, Samina is on this website. Why are you advocating a decent interactor leave this website while abusive ones stay?

Whatever Samina has said she has said in retaliation. How would you feel if ONE single interactor plastered your picture all over Chowk (without your knowledge or permission) and made disparaging comments about it?

Salim_Chauhan and gujju aka Ranger did this to both Samina and Sobia...

Sobia had started ignoring him and he posted something about how her hymenoplasty surgery went in Lahore, without any provocation. You want him to stay and Samina to go?

I find your defense of such people as vile as the acts of those people themselves.

Re: # 166

scout

``Why are you advocating a decent interactor leave this website``

``decent,`` scout? And you say I`m the one who is biased.

ps: I`m not advocating anything, just stating a fact. She hates this site yet clings to it...and I`m the hypocrite.

mannyd #163
Ignore function works only if the guy doesn`t use multiple nicks which he does. Yes, there is no law, Salim Chauhan(or substitute the name of any other poster) can post what he likes - he can also argue that he posts that filth to enforce morality on women posters on any occasion which he chooses. chowkies like you can support his arguments that he is justified to post filth to make women posters behave.

But, from the content of such posts of his(like the one in #141), it is clear to me that both he and his supporters are pretty sick people. chowk community is unrealistic to expect that women posters will come to chowk to read a daily dose of vile posts about themselves by a person who makes it a full time job to deal out his `punishment` to them.

If the women do ever reply back to him in the same language he uses for them, they get vilified even more for being females and using language like his. His filthy posts have that way of exposing the hypocrisy and misogyny of other posters. So the women he targets (most woman posters on chowk ) lose all respect for those who back him when he does so. Anyone can correct me if I am wrong but finally virtually no woman wants to interact here. Why complain because I point this out?

Sadna: All of the posts by Salim that you mention are after the rule change for UP on Nov.11, 2005. Why can he not use the choicest of Gaalies, that he likes towards any body? Why can`t the plaintiffs learn to use the ignore button?

Samina Ji: The so called lies in my posts were a quote from Zahra`s posts about Salim. Ask her about them? She has not replied to my inquiry yet. I agree with you the poster of those lies is a liar.
On the translation job, you mentioned I would not understand it if you did take up the job. You are quite a pretender. How do you know my understanding capabilities?

#160
hey that is so unfair.. i gave a nice whole-grain pasta recipe, and you threw-up on it.
you barf first and then claim vicitmhood.

Ladies and Gentlemen,

Just a change of subject: King Kong will be released tonight around midnight. Do not forget to watch it. You may learn a trick or two to deal with the monsters on board :) Enjoy the season and please stop fighting and digging through Chowk`s archives for horrible stuff!

#156

question: what are you cooking tonite.
answer: BEEYATCH $#@$^#$&%(*

very puzzling, anyhoo, where you come from, this language may be considered normal, indeed kewl, but its shocking for me.

Re: # 159

Really, Jang? Could you tell us whats ``kewl`` about an interactor who responds to thread headers that discuss current events with ``what`s for dinner?``. Clearly, you think you are being funny by asking married women interactors who are discussing politics, economics, religion, literature what their domestic chores are. In your own passive aggressive way, you are saying ``I may not be as smart as you, but at least I can remind you that in my opinion, women are responsible for feeding their husbands..``

Is that ``normal``?

Since you are apparently concerned with stereotypes and normalcy, why don`t YOU open a daily thread discussing what YOU, a single man, are cooking for dinner?

Or is it just easier for you to project your anxieties about nurturing?

#153, {``When we do develop a website, ....``}

Promises, promises.
The tragedy is that as a spokesperson for the feminine causes, you are a very poor ambassador. You turn off people who are normally inclined to be supportive of your causes in general. With the mere injection of the weight of your own personality, you are able to convert people into rightists, Republicans, misogynists, anti-Pakis, conservatives, and anti-liberal, anti-gay, and anti-Hillary.
If you are a sample of what ``liberated`` Muslim or Paki women will descend to, then most of us (male and female) have a right to be concerned. May God keep you and your type away from our female relatives.

Re: # 157

When we develop a website, you can be sure you`ll never step foot on it.

Jang, #154,
You have every right to expect and demand polite behavior from anyone, including feminazis. You have every right to withhold respect from then until they agree to behave politely, decently, and in a manner of interaction that they impose on everyone else.

Here is another one of Khamkhwa`s gems - notice his respect for women, as he refers to them by his affectionate term for a feline. Have we seen enough evidence of this liar`s hypocrisy?

{``#7 by khamkhwa. on December 13, 2005 1:35pm PT
abay kulharee...
did you buy the card and the gift for the buddhi else... forget the pussy forever... ``}

#152 STOP CALLING ME BEEYATCH. THIS IS CHOWK, YOU ARE NOT IN YOUR CRIB.

Re: # 154

Jang,

First of all, I pretty much ignore you. You try to get some attention (negative is better than none for people who can`t command it otherwise) by asking me what I`m cooking for dinner...because you are such a throwback, the concept of two spouses cooking apparently is one that has never occurred to you.

Secondly, your posts egging the namards on is on record for all to see. You are the company you keep. Stop interacting with me and you won`t be offended.

#143, You can do whatever your evil heart desire. You can whack the weasel, choke the chicken, beat the bishop, spank the monkey, squeeze the squirrel, punch the parrot, catch the cobra, and bite the baboon, or anything else that you deem yourself capable of. You are woman, you are strong. Just go find yourself a thong ....

Jang,
thanks for showing up. I mentioned Manto for two reasons:
1. It is not a sin to take his name in vain. :)
2. It drives Sadna bonkers, resulting in even more loss of control, emotional diphtheria, and self-flagellation. I can hear the screams all the way here.

One of these days, I will write an article about hysteria, its history, causes, remedies, and cures.

Yes, I do miss my friends at UP, but it was time to restore the pig sty to the porkys and porkas.

i must say, samina has often insulted me, unprovoked by calling me beeyatch. while i dont aprove of salim calling imaginative nasty names, its time samina take resposibility for her foul mouth.

Re: # 149

Jang,

Shall we count the times you have indirectly goaded the namards on? Its really too bad we can`t remind you of your multinicks...

Godot SAHIB,

Shall we revisit your wonderfully poetic ``Two Dogs`` character? If you remember, that character was inspired by you, holy man and angel that you are, misreading the idiom I used re: dogs.

Lets share that idiom for the enjoyment of people who actually know their homonyms and idioms...

Godot Sahib read the idiom ``My dogs are tired.`` not as an Americanism for ``My feet are tired.``, but as a reference to canine copulation. And thusly continued to make comments about ``doggie style`` activities for a while. This is Godot`s record of decency.

So Godot Sahib, make your lame duck comments to your heart`s content...I am beginning to agree with your self assessment that you are a ``simple man``....the kind of ``simple man`` that can amuse himself with egg-duck jokes for some bizarre reason...have at it, repost your story, translate it into urdu, whatever.

But I shall also pay you in turn and ask you to go and ``dog yourself``. That idiom, I`m sure even you understand.

Re: # 152

Samina

``But I shall also pay you in turn and ask you to go and ``dog yourself``. That idiom, I`m sure even you understand.``

So, this is the logic you operate with: it`s perfectly fine for you to pay me in turn and ask me to go and dog myself and you will remain the innocent party, a woman of grace, elegance and poise. However, if Salim pays you in return and tells you to go dog yourself, then he is ``namard`` a ``beeyatch,`` and a ``woman abuser.``

I`m beginning to suspect that you are actually insane. You belong in a mental institute, not at Chowk.

wow, this is some fracas. salim, we missed you on UP ;-)

the number of times you refered to manto .. why dont you email him to represent you ;-)

#144, SemenAsha,
Please learn to spell my last name correctly. It is a well-known Rajput name - CHAUHAN. Somehow, I think that in your own semi-literate way, you are trying to be insulting, racist, and condescending. You of all people. :)

Re: # 123

Samina

You are having nightmares and going bonkers. Take a chill-pill and relax.

Btw, Samina, I find it quite amusing that how much you hate chowk.com and yet cling to it so much. Clearly, you have an addiction with something that’s destroying your health. You need to join a rehab program. Maybe you can start a website of your own where you will be the Editor-in-Chief. That website will be dedicated to the disgruntled ex-Chowkies who will be free to curse the hell out of “pseudo men” and “pseudo intellectuals” like myself who reside at Chowk. [However, I’ve a feeling that you already have a group like that, perhaps Yahoogroup, where you and your cohorts do just that.]

And why do you find Mrs. Duck with a half-stuck egg so bothersome? She is a good duck. Now, only if someone could pull that egg out of her!

Re: # 146

When we do develop a website, believe me, it will be based on actual content, not the documentation of pathological male behavior.

Now, can we switch the topic over to the Simla Conference or the Cabinet Mission Plan or the Radcliffe awards and the illogical behavior of the Congress?

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Re: # 141

Maybe Ben Kingsley can play chuhan in the movie version...he`s good at psychos....

Re: # 140

Sadna,

At fairs and game rooms in the US, there`s game titled along the lines of ``Whack the Weasel``. The player tries to club with a mallet the rodent appearing periodically through different holes on the game board....the rodent, no matter how many times you club him, shows up in a different hole...

I suspect we at chowk.com have developed the cyber version of Whack the Weasel.....

Now that I have successfully exposed your one-sided evidence, I have no desire to interact with Saminasha, Scout, Khamkhwa, and other members of their gang. As I have said so many times before, I find these people to be thoroughly lacking in knowledge, intelligence, logic, and humor. I do not plan to wade through your sewage on UP and please don`t annoy me with your nonsense directed at me on FP.

Salim_Chauhan#136
1. Stop lying about what I posted on feedback - people can read it for themselves.
2. You say you posted vile abuse in chowk staff`s defence so it was OK. Now you are throwing black mud on chowk staff - implying that chowk staff wants readers` complaints to be responded to by you abusing them so vilely. Sorry doesn`t work- take responsibility for what you posted instead of putting it on chowk staff.

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#126, {``Don`t expect Sistahood from someone who is clearly not a Sista...``}

Doesn`t this negate your boastful claims about being smarter than all of your opponents? Oh, I get it, you are only ``smarter`` if you get a little bit of help from Sista as was the case with the previous regime.

Once on dole, you miserable and lazy parasites get so used to being spoon-fed.

#128, Khamkhwa {``they were salim`s best friends on chowk till one day they disagreed with him and the rest as they say is history...``}

Khamkhwa,
You get an A+ for your inimitable knowledge of Chowk history. Now, Mr. Nosey Busybody, if you were this diligent in your academic pursuits, you would not be making tandoori naans on Gerard Street. Nobody spends more time tabulating every nick`s post, counting the number of times people have been banned, and which nicks are multiples of other nicks. I nominate Khamkhwa as the clown in-charge of useless Chowk statistics.

Saminasha #126
I don`t know. It could be that interactor ants grew wings in the past when (presumably) chowk was moderated by a number of people and not just one person, so sifarishi culture prevailed. Whether the situation has changed now and there is only one moderator, I have no way of knowing.

If chowk staff wants to improve the environment, then we should not undermine chowk staff by giving too much importance to Salim/Godot type of posts. The problem is that doubt remains what does chowk staff define as improvement of environment- more of Salim type retaliations against females or less. Unfortunately until it is spelt out, Salim and co will be frisky as seen here and we will be compelled to reply.

Re: # 132

Sadna,

At least with a number of moderators, there was a fulfillment of an even handed response. I was banned for three days just as a demonstration to challenge these multinick`s whining about ``sifarish``.

I`ve noticed that these two interactors have the most to gain by their support of the current editorship-they are not going to jeopardize that. It does not mean however, that they won`t take as much advantage of this as they can.

If the quality of chowk.com declines (and there is some widespread perception that it is doing so), it will be linked to the website`s inability to support some of its most promising writers and interactors-women.

salim chauhan...
whine, whine, whine, whine.... i am sure farzana versey is having a whale of a time and so am i...but now i gotta go...will see you tomorrow...happy whining....;)

Chowk Staff,
While profane language and impolite interactions may be the norm on Chowk UP, we all agree that FP should reflect a much higher standard. Even though we are discussing lewd language and obscene posts, the interactor in the following message missed the point or maybe blatantly used impolite and abusive language better known as rubbish:

{``#123 by Saminasha on December 13, 2005 12:51pm PT
Do YOU remember this or are you just talking out of another part of your body?

Whatever YOUR hangups and stereotypes of how women should behave are, STUFF them. I am not interested in playing roles so that the pseudo intellectual namardry on chowk.com can perform whatever self delusional fantasy they have of themselves. ..``}

I ask you - is this the manner in which ``literate`` people with academic credentials are expected to communicate? Is the the type of language women need to initiate to expect polite, respectful, and decent responses? I would like to ask the abusive interactor what she means by ``another body part,`` and ``STUFF`` and ``namardry?``

I will not bore everyone with examples from Chowk UP of even more abusive, more profane, and more vulgar posts from this same transmitter of ``education.``
Thanks,

Re: # 127

Chuhan,

Why not start with the post I supposedly wrote about your grandmother?

POST IT.

Re: # 125
[The first post which shows disagreement with you(even after months of flattering you) invites your `overwhelming retaliations`]

.... two such names: huma mir and succubus... they were salim`s best friends on chowk till one day they disagreed with him and the rest as they say is history...

Re: # 128

But chuhan`s a perfect l`il ANGEL....and all reasonable female interactors are perfect MARTYRS and SAINTS....

Re: # 125

Sadna,

Let me provide my speculation on this situation:

Interactors like Godot and Chuhan are allowed to squat on boards and threads because under the new editorship, they serve a purpose. They, in effect, divert any real female talent at chowk.com to have the space to discuss their ideas. If an interactor like Chuhan continues to post abuse at every female interactor on chowk.com-which he has, female interactors will only feel safe in ``female designated`` spaces like the new ``women`s room`` (which sounds like a public restroom, if you ask me)-until of course, the namards crash that. And then the editorial staff will laugh ``boys will be boys!``....and we`ll be advised to lighten up and learn how to take a joke...

In the meantime, notice how the number of women interactors are decreasing? Its one thing if you, Scout or I get flamed-thats because in the eyes of the namards and their pseudo intellectual apologists, we ``deserve`` it. We ``deserve`` it because we are unapologetically feminists, are brilliant and speak our minds. And if we are flamed, we flame back. And to the namard psychology, this is unacceptable-they are too threatened by women who are smarter and more talented than they.

But if they are protected and cossetted through their m.o.s of anonymity, multinicks and ass kissing of the current staff-well, they are a girl`s best friend.

Don`t expect Sistahood from someone who is clearly not a Sista...

Godot #117, {``There are many who like you, and there are some who despise you. Either party is unlikely to change its view of yours. So forget it, be cool, and move on. ``}

Godot,
Thanks. You have given me some very encouraging and sensible advice. I have managed to stay away from Chowk UP for a couple of days now. I am thankful for the many friends I have on FP and hope to continue interacting here. I figured out Khamkhwa over a year ago when I sensed that his notable contribution on Chowk was to create fights. He is what we commonly refer to as FITTEEN. Ther is nothing useful, nothing informative about anything he has to say. His main concerns are ``which nic is where?`` ``who is a clone?`` ``what did they say to each other`` ``and who is fighting with whom?`` Very childish and immature behavior.

And now here are some samples of interactions by Scout, the polite, long-term matron of Chowk UP. Yes, the same one complaining about the abuse, filth, profane language, and other one-sided nonsense about others. Please notice the excessive use of UKP, chutyapan, ass, fuk, arshole, namard, etc... She talkes about penises liberally and in the last post, even hints that she can get people banned from Chowk - must have been true under the last regime.

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#36 Poll: Do you find Female body builders attractive?
on December 11, 2005 8:39pm PT
of course not ali1, if that was the case, female to male transexuals wouldn`t have a problem growing a penis while on testosterone

it`s more like 1 to 1.5

you need to watch the discovery channel more often
#123 Any one seen her?
on December 8, 2005 3:31pm PT
salim_chauhan aka Wild_One

you don`t fool me asswipe,

#149 Whoever is the incharge I dont care but please restore order....
on December 7, 2005 11:48am PT
does that explain why all of chowk loves to hate you and the only ones who like you are namards just like yourself

you`ve ruined chowk ever since you came here…
haramzada, baat karta hai

#152
on December 7, 2005 10:51am PT
leave me alone you little piece of fly infested turkish turd

#167 Shortage of Brides in Indian Punjab - excellent opportunity for Lahoris
on December 6, 2005 4:12pm PT
why the fuk is salim obsessed with women and sex....

oh cuz he`s a bharva, my bad
#208 Amrita… let’s moon
on December 2, 2005 12:03pm PT
and who might this little frustrated kamasutra be?

either gujju the pre-pubescent runt from india

or

salim the impotent bharva from turkey who takes it up the ass and spews his shit thru his mouth




#209 Amrita… let’s moon
on December 2, 2005 11:39am PT
it`s ok kulharee i was accused of being pakihunk and salim chaugand

does it really matter

214 the three witches of chowk: amrita, sobia, and samina
on December 2, 2005 10:14am PT
amrita,

let me rephrase the question: did you have a fukkin train to catch
#222 where do you get a halal turkey
on November 22, 2005 4:07pm PT
i dunno about halal turkeys but there is a haramzada on chowk who claims to be in turkey
#223 Dear Farzana Ji, Chowk Staff, and concerned Chowkies, this is a serious alert ...
on November 22, 2005 4:02pm PT
what the fuk are you talking about bharvay? queenie did a big drama on chowk and now you`re afraid and whining and barking like a bitch in heat.

what a fukkin psycho


#234 salim`s new picture, candid shot
on November 21, 2005 3:08pm PT
did your biwi take the pic before realizing you`re a turd and flushing you down the toilet
#241 what was the religion of prophet mohammad before islam.
on November 21, 2005 2:56pm PT
#25,

did you say something, bharvay.... u`re getting quite boring
269 zeena, you need to re-direct your anger
on November 20, 2005 11:57am PT
tahmed,

bharva = salim = self-proclaimed pimp
#272 zeena, you need to re-direct your anger
on November 20, 2005 11:53am PT
charmin aka bharvay salim,

not only do you call zeena a punjabi whore, you pretend to be her and use her insults for yourself

how low could you go, you little piece of shitty toilet paper
#290 Scout (aka Aunty Moron and Planet_Earth) , Saminasha (aka Trmntr_X), Atif2 (aka Dr. Israr Ahmed), Khamkhwa (aka Gulabo), JG (aka JagdeeshGodbole and JohnGalt), and Faisaluno(aka A$$HOLE):
on November 20, 2005 8:09am PT
haramzaday salim (i luv this new title of yours, very mughalish),
#276 zeena, you need to re-direct your anger
on November 20, 2005 11:50am PT
haramzaday salim aka charmin toilet paper,

charmin is a good name for you, many chowkies have wiped their butt with you and flushed you down the toilet



#293 Scout (aka Aunty Moron and Planet_Earth) , Saminasha (aka Trmntr_X), Atif2 (aka Dr. Israr Ahmed), Khamkhwa (aka Gulabo), JG (aka JagdeeshGodbole and JohnGalt), and Faisaluno(aka A$$HOLE):
on November 20, 2005 8:06am PT
haramzaday salim,

couldn`t find enough customers in Turkey, you had to come back to get your rectum filled again, where` u going, atlanta?
#314 ali1
on November 17, 2005 3:47pm PT
jang,

i don`t remember talking to you, so why you up in my face asshole, dafa ho
and take your anti-scout rants and shuv em up your derrierre

howz that for some abuse salim kay dost
#330 salama laikum...
on November 16, 2005 8:02pm PT
chowk is so fukked up ... #3 is me but not by me
#332 Memoirs of a Geisha
on November 16, 2005 5:01am PT
hey dotty asshole,

take yourself and your salim propaganda and BS to unplugged. thanks
#3182
on February 4, 2005 3:30pm PT
i don`t give a fuk whether you`re salim or not, i think the interactors on this board did a good job in ripping you another arsehole, so there`s no work for me left
#3174 catchy,i read Quran and bible for hating Gays.
on June 2, 2005 5:26am PT
so now you hate gays, first it was blacks, then whites, now gays

who do you fukkin love Zeena
#3163 ladies are you embarrassed...
on June 3, 2005 9:28am PT
faisaluno,

forget the six foot danda, just insert kaurasach into salim`s orifice, they`ll both enjoy it

kill two birds with one stone or should i say sikh
#3089 India ,world`s most ancient country and still
on June 4, 2005 9:25am PT
zeena,

how much did you pay for your salim (err....glider) ride.....
#948 haiku dedicated to subroto`s current crisis
on October 21, 2005 7:59am PT
burpinder,

i can help you get banned, i`ve helped quite a few chowkies achieve this status..... but only if you behave
#679 MannyD`s Anthem
on November 1, 2005 5:04am PT
pokershark,

can you be subsidized? oh wait, you were already subsidized when the maulvi`s kainchi slipped during your circumcision

As Khamkhwa aka pakihunk is so fond of copying & pasting one-sided evidence of colorful language by his opponents, I thought the following extracts from his own vulgar posts may lend some equilibrium to the topic. All of these are very recent, including the last one where he called Zeena a ``bitch.`` Khamkhwa is fond of calling me a ``BhaRva.`` I think that must be an offensive word. Notice he has insulted my family with the ``visa`` reference, making fun of Paki women who get raped to obtain western visas. The man is a hypocrite and an insensitive one at that.
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bhaRvay...
zeena has been certified and forgotten...vaise when i migrated to canada, mushy and altaph bhaRva were no where on the radar...sadly it was your female relatives who got the visa to usa courtesy the punjabi rangers..

#33 Pakistanis make themselves at home down under
on December 11, 2005 9:18am PT
... i say castrate them and make them salim chauhan`s assistants to sexually harass females on the net...
#36 Mozlems beaten up by 5000 strong Aussie mob.....
on December 11, 2005 9:09am PT
...what more can a bhaRva do except piss...
#38 what is the problem....
on December 11, 2005 9:05am PT

...what kind of stupid english is that...O you who makes fun of other`s typos...asshole...

#39 Why Atif is a Better Writer and Human Being Than Chuhan
on December 11, 2005 8:07am PT
gujju...
forget the two assholea and come to daddy....
#41 Elton John`s view of Hazara
on December 10, 2005 6:58pm PT
kakay...
lagda teri bund `ch khujli hondi payee ay...
#42 what is the problem....
on December 10, 2005 6:57pm PT
...even my compositionl prowess is suffering with the onslaught of ladies fashion on unplugged...where are the mother-pidar fokkers...where are you salim bhaRva...come and bring your stench...
#54 Mushy`s Canadian visa has been revoked, because it was ....
on December 10, 2005 12:44pm PT
mannyd...
there i have been saving your ass from saminasha and here you are ``trying`` to make fun of my canadian-ness...
#74 People, stop considering Jihadi a bad word, unless you are prepared ...
on December 4, 2005 3:41pm PT
abay bhRva kaisa hai bay...long time...
#85 Back rom B.C....
on December 1, 2005 3:47pm PT
dullay...
...since when have they started stamping on your ass...
#87 it`s been a while
on December 1, 2005 3:41pm PT
..yep...but dont go fucking around on the front page...they will have your ass for breakfasy...
#92 it`s been a while
on December 1, 2005 3:33pm PT
hey fobby...
big dicks are in fashion...

#104 Pak artistes shown the door
on November 30, 2005 4:34pm PT
ali khotay...
... i appreciate your patriotism vis a vis sheema kirmani...but what happens to your middlefuckingfinger when salim bhaRva openly boasts of working tirelessly for pakistan`s breakup and merger with bharatmata...
105 hello chowk waalo...
on November 30, 2005 4:24pm PT
zeena...
are you a bitch? why did you come to my thread and started barking like one... ..i thought we had a treaty under which both of us were not supposed to interact with each other nor use each other`s name...
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Re: # 116

Salim

Khamkhwa has already been beaten senseless in public with a chappal (and a well-deserved beating it was.) Ignore him. He’s not worth your chappal. He`s just a chikna ghaRa (and only chikna to some.) There are many who like you, and there are some who despise you. Either party is unlikely to change its view of yours. So forget it, be cool, and move on.

Re: # 117
godot...

... if that makes you happy...sure you are the winner..hahahaha...coz i love lonely old people like you who have just themselves and their loneliness...hahahahahahaha...

Re: # 119

Khamkhwa

``godot... if that makes you happy...sure you are the winner..hahahaha...coz i love lonely old people like you who have just themselves and their loneliness...hahahahahahaha...``

Great come back, oh-not-so-bright one!!!

Go. is blushing...

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Re: # 109

...well well well...lookie who is here...and before long chowk staff will come and stamp this nick as under...hahahaha....

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Godot = waiting for godot....

Go.

I am not interested in a wrestling match (as your icon suggests). I will save my muscles for another good cause :)

Out of curiosity, what does Godot stand for?

God of time? (*!*)

Re: # 106

Zahra

Godot is a non-character in a play by Samuel Beckett ``Waiting for Godot.``

Re: # 108

Go.

Now, please do not ask me to go and read the play to understand the myth behind the character. What is your real name? After all, you have taken many (bulls) by their (horns). It will be nice to know the name of the brave man. I am all for appreciating brave, chivalrous, decent, humorous, intelligent and pleasant men :)

Re: # 111

Zahra

You’ve placed me in a difficult situation by being so nice.

“What is your real name?”

Chowk has published a book called “Imagine” with selected writings from Chowk.com. Among the selections is my biographical essay “My Identity,” which I wrote for Chowk some time back. It appears under my real name in that book. If you want to know my real name, you have to buy that book (how’s that for free promo for Chowk!)

And, yes, you should read Waiting for Godot. It’s a very profound book.


Ranger, 112

How did you know

As I said at the start of this thread...much ado about nothing....

PS:
how to address a woman...learn from salim chauhan, the innocent lil misunderstood angel...;)

``#96, Sadna,
It is obvious that you are becoming blind as well as thoroughly stupid.``

....hahaha...

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