The Virgin Birth

re: salim # 107

``We need more than just slogans.``

Hats off to you. Far more than slogans is what we in EVERY religion need.

I am not qualified to point the way for Muslims or anyone else, but if I could make one suggestion, it would be; please, please, please, don`t be taken in by empty rhetoric. Rhetorical words are almost always used to numb the minds and kill the god-gifted understanding of people in the audience, never to sharpen either.

If we are not to be taken for a ride, as we have been for centuries, we need to always ask: OK, what does this mean in actual, real world, for each of us actual, real people? And is that expectation/action/attitude realistic and wise in our world populated by very imperfect men and women?

None of it is a reflection of Masadi ji`s views, which I have not been able to track with care.

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# 108

LOL...And your comment on the Pope elsewhere was right on the money.

#97 by bolta_aaina {``So you mean to say that Mother Theresa was a quack??``}

Talking Shiny,
No, but the people who exaggerate, and thus dilute, her accomplishments are the real quacks. I won`t be surprised if, in a couple of decades, we find out some great tales about the saintly human being, spun by these latter-day Homers;

Mother Theresa was born in Harlem and flew over to the slums of Calcutta accompanied by three angels who guided her trip
Mother Theresa faced violent anger at the hands of the evil heathen Hindus whose government placed every obstacle in her path
She managed to fight the polytheistic heathens and ministered to the poor, the dying, the sick, and the untouchables - all the while standing up to the repressive regime
She brought the dead back, she turned garbage into food, and she was considered a goddess to the poor and rejected of India
She brought down the cruel and oppressive rule of Pakis in the eastern wing of that infidel country
She defeated Islamic terrorists who were against her missionary work in the slums
She did not really die, but was lifted to by God to serve the miserably sick people in heaven.

Masadi, #86, {``Muslims need to return to the Quran``}

Asadi sahib,
This is the answer given for every question. Come on, that is not fair. How can we return to a book, whose context and admonitions are certainly, and hopefully, time dependent? Who is going to provide the interpretations that are applicable to us now once we have all returned to the Holy Koran? We need more than just slogans. We need a thorough reevaluation of our religion - to make it much more meaningful and as you said to shed the centuries of excess baggage. Thanks.

Bolta ji

It is reasonable to be benevolently indifferent to `faith` only when faith is not used to promote social goals contrary to one`s interests.

I think this supposed cloning job done by God is as allegorical as the cloning by Koreans.
:-)

Well-researched article, with sensible conclusions. The real blasphemy is to not use ones God-given faculties to see and to think, which is what is done in spades in the muslim world.

Re: # 82

nasadi,

......... like all religious zealots you are a master of obfuscation !........... so now you are saying that the phenomenon of the virgin birth is a ``non-human`` event that predates human conciousness !........ i beg to disagree, but i do believe humans were around when god had sex with mary so we should be able to find some witnesses (hopefully not four, because then poor mary would be in a lot of trouble !)

Re: # 102

Truly speaking...NO

Re: # 101

This is not a philosophical question I have raised, but a very literal one. How do you remain `indifferent` when you hear of Therasa-related miracles? You either hear about them, or dont. Or `pretend` to be indifferent.

I just wanted to know about the progress of the controversial, 20th century, `miracles` attributed to Therasa. Have you heard of them at all?

Re: # 100

I, for one, pick up only those stones which are relevant to me..not all. These so-called miracles....neither do I subscribe to them nor do I reject them. I am simply indifferent to them.

Re: # 99

The issue you are raising is itself a topic for another debate.
I just wanted to know about the progress of the controversial, 20th century, `miracles` attributed to Therasa. Have you heard of them at all?

Re: # 98

Frankly speaking, such things do not exist..I agree...But as far as religion and God are concerned...it is too early for mankind to shun these principles... so you have to bear them..for atleast 1000 more years...

Re: # 97

``So you mean to say that Mother Theresa was a quack??``
No. I said nothing of that sort. On the other hand, I have admiration for whatever she did for the poor.

I just wanted to know about the progress of the controversial, 20th century, `miracles` attributed to her.

Re: # 93

So you mean to say that Mother Theresa was a quack??

Re: # 94

`` ... Godzillas, Kingkongs, Harry Potters ... ``

There is a difference, because there are no multi billion dollar organisations at work trying to convince young children around the world that HE, Harry Potter the Great, really does exist.

By the way, have you heard anything about the Therasa miracle?

So glad to see my dear Mamujan on Chowk.

-Aisha Sarwari

Re: # 92

If you are happy with that...I am happy with that..

We humans are imaginary in our nature. Brining to lives somethings imaginary like Godzillas, Kingkongs, Harry Potters etc. can be understood. But what is the point in killing something...which according to you...does not exist at all. Let Him also live along with Godzillas, Kingkongs and Harry Potters....what is the harm??