The Virgin Birth

re:#36 by Salim_Chauhan
What are u disputing? ART is a reality dude. Virgin women can get impregnated with donor sperms. No woman needs to get married if baby is all she wants.
(Virgin swimming in pool getting impregnated by jerk jerking off nearby. That does it.)
You got it. That would be men like Masadi.
(#38 by parthaab on December 24, 2005 10:47am PT
Re: # 32

A very interesting tale - this time of a Hindu fanatic.)
Tale, as told by Yogananda. Now u will ask me who that dude was. If u are spiritually retarded, i can`t help you.
Sridhar

re: virgin births etc etc
I realize this is not the right forum for serious discussions on spiritual matters. Never has been. So, i will spare myself future embarassments.
Sridhar

#48 hamidm2, your logic is astounding, just because Pakistan`s laws are based on a distortion of Islam, you attack the prophet?? I see no connection here. This post is about the virgin birth, so we discuss that, you want to divert that into Ad Hominem arguments against the prophet~ that merely reveals your stupidity.

Your ignorant rants are answered in this article http://www.selvesandothers.org/article12501.html, read it, digest it and keep your baseless accusitions and libel under control. Makes you look like a total idiot.

Re: # 51

masadi,

``Makes you look like a total idiot``...... why ??.... what`s th differsnce between somone claiming that his mother was a virgin and a man who claims that he talked to god in a drak cave? .... as far as i am concerned they are equally damaging lies !

re:#36 by Salim_Chauhan
I am surprised u fell for it.
My post # 31 was my way of pulling Masadi dude`s leg. His posts do not make much sense to me (see his post 20).
Sridhar

masadi,

.... so let`s extend this discussion....... first the man claims to be the son of god, then he walks on water, then he casts evil spirits into the poor pigs and drowns them (how cruel!), then he raises his buddy from the dead, then he dies himself and crawls out of the cave to declare three more weeks of bad weather ( i might be confusing him with the groundhog on the last one !)................ why is that any different from the man who crawls into a dark cave and claims that he talked to a winged creature, then walks out and declares war on those who don`t believe him ......... what is the difference ?

#54, am I getting through to you? Hello? Anybody Home? This topic is about the virgin birth, it is not about Islam. You want to question Islam look at the Quran and it gives you many falsifiable tests, just use those and disprove it, simple as that. I do not read any story in the Quran that says anything about accepting a book merely on the basis of talking to, as you put it a, ``winged creature``.

This is neither the forum nor the topic to discuss here at thsi time, comprendey?

masadi,

.... okay, let`s get back to the virgin birth thing ....... do muslims believe in it?..... f they do, then is their faith a hoax because we all know that it is not possible for a virgin to give birth unless she has been in a pool full of perverts ?......... you know it is all tied together - all these stories about the immaculate conception, winged creatures in caves, raising dead folks, parting the sea, and whatnot ....... if you prove one of them wrong then the whole dang house of cards comes tubling down ............. in my mind if we can prove that christ or the old fool abraham or that moses were charlatans, then we can also prove that mo of mecca was a con artist ......... it is that simple ... really ........

............ personally, i think if we could dig up jesus and match his dna with that of joseph the carpenter we would be able to solve the mystery !

#56 hamidm2 you baffle me, totally. It`s amazing: First you try to disrupt the thread going on by throwing out insults against the prophet, even though that is not the discussion here and then you try to return to the discussion and throw out some nonsense which only shows that you haven`t been following the discussion at all. Check post # 1, #20

Now, after you`ve read those you are welcome to throw out other relevant questions and I will try my best to accommodate your concerns. Have a good day

To all the comments and brick-a-brat, Thank you.
In short my ‘mind set’ is:
• The universe as a creation of a Supreme Being, is one big Church, hence its UNITY
• The universe operates under FIXED LAWS, very few we know and many we don’t
• The institutions of “religious church” is like a Corporation out to fleece us and its “operatives” are just CONMEN (mainly men).
• I agree that there has to be a ‘clock-maker’ to have created this clock-work in the FIRST place, therefore the ‘Be …and it was’.
• The religious brigade and particulrly Muslims, I believe are rigid in their “TRADITIONS” and dogmatic in their “RELIGION”, both contrary to the teaching of Qura’n as I understand it.

I had thanked those who pointed out the particularity of Mary’s ‘Immaculate Conception’ for I felt I should have referred to that fact for, in order to set her free of alleged sin of Christ’s Conception, the concept of ‘immaculate-ness’ was agreed to apply to both to hers and her child’s conception not to just Mary`s. Refer to early various ‘Councils’ of the Catholic Church. The controversy there is current.
I admire and respect any body including Mary and Jesus for the revolution they caused in the intellectual progress of mankind-Rashid

Good Lord, the Christmas ``spirit`` seems to have got into everybody a little early, ease up on that eggnog people! First you have an allegedly respectable writer whole-heartedly endorsing the one really stupid thing about the whole Jesus story. Then a couple fo Islamic ``experts`` jump in, defending virgin births quoting stories of tadpoles and sharks who manage it quite fine without any hanky-panky, thanks very much. Add to the mix the resident scientific guru of chowk who smoothly adopts a neutral position about virgin birth necessarily being miracles; the idiot Tambrahm with his harebrained ``virgin swimming in the municipal pool while wanker lets some swimmers of his own loose`` theory; and to top it all hamidm trying to get his tongue out of his cheek and into territory that sounds dangerously blasphemous.... man this is some Christmas here on chowk!

Can we at least agree that Jesus was a good man,a dn as good men go, he went? Happy birthday, big J! Will have a few drinks on you tonight!

Ha Ha!
HamidM you are so funny.......
Miss M in a pool with perverts..

Hence the immaculate concepsheeyon.....

How divine..... Pun intended....

Re: # 59 ``Can we at least agree that Jesus was a good man,a dn as good men go, he went? Happy birthday, big J! Will have a few drinks on you tonight!``

In the true 2005 Chowkie spirit, and before Big B decides enough is enough and asks Prez M to drop a Big B on Chowk, let me disagree with you and call Jesus a schizophrenic - like many other so called `Prophets` from the middle east region.

There! Now wait for the Big B!

Happy Atheist Holidays to all !

See how I avoided all the `christmas` contoversy? ;)

``When God decides upon a matter he says ``Be and it is`` !!!!!

....... according to the masadi school of thoughtlessness, god went around impregnating virgins just because he could .......... ``Be !`` he said and poor mary was seeded with his seed ........... now, most sane people will agree that the likelihood of that happening is about as remote as growing a watermelon in your stomach by swallowing a melon seed - although judging by the size of a lot of black woman one can easily be misled to believe in this urban legend ........ but i digress .......

............anyway, this `be and it is done` logic has been used by islamists and other religious swindlers to explain all kinds of superstitions and foolishness ......... in his book on `islamic science` dr hoodbhoy talks about our religious scholars who want to explain everything using this theory ......... it is a convenient and lazy way of explaining away things that are hard to fathom and also brainwashing innocent children into becoming suicide bombers .......... ``a flame will burn paper because god wills it``, .... oh, okay ....... ``you should blow yourself up because god wants you too``..... oh, okay ......... and boom ! god`s will is done .............

....... what kind of affliction leads grown men and women to believe in this poppycock; what kind of sickness leads to this cockamamie reasoning (or unreasoning) ............some would say it is fear - fear of the unknown and fear of death - that drives people to buy this horse hooey pedalled by unscrupulous prophets and priests .......... but i think it is plain old laziness ......... it is much easier to believe that jesus` mom was a virgin than try and take on the pope, the ayatollah and the orc lord ............

rsridhar #53 {``I am surprised u fell for it. My post # 31 was my way of pulling Masadi dude`s leg. His posts do not make much sense to me ``}

Rsridhar dude,
I am so confused about the pool, the voigin, the three wise guys, and the jerk that at this point I am ready to believe everything, including Mary Magdeline being Mrs. Christ. I mean with all the holiday shopping and traffic jams and no parking spaces, I just hoped that they would have put enough chlorine in the pool. Now wait till somebody posts that the tadpoles thrive in chlorine.

``Human egg cells can be duped with chemicals and electric shocks to begin growing like embryos, which are coveted as stem cell sources``

..... and what is more perverse is the predictable and rather annoying habit of the religiously impaired to use recent scientific knowledge to explain past ``miracles`` .......... every time you turn around somone is claiming that such and such event was ``foretold`` in the torah or the bible or the koran or some other silly text of dubious origin .......... why the heck don`t they tell us about these things before they happen and make it easier on all of us ?? .......... if god was running around with mary`s eggs in a petri dish and dupng them with chemicals to create his son, why didn`t he pass on that knowledge to us .............. why did it take centuries for us to figure out ivf techniques on our own?....... why is he so stingy with his intellectual property ?

........ if these charlatans really want to establish their credibility, they have to do better than this - tell us something we don`t already know ............. how about telling us how to cure cancer or make hydrogen fuel cells on the cheap ?............ save us thousands of man-hours and billions of dollars in research and we will convert to christianity or islam or whatever it is that you are pushing ............ it really doesn`t do us any good if tomorrow, after the chinese have found a cure for cancer, some bearded idiot comes up and says, ``the prophet said, go to china for chop suey and knowledge !``............ i don`t know about you guys, but i am gong to slap this guy silly and say, ``god told me not to suffer fools gladly !``