Maulanas cry foul over a ’suhaag-raat’

if they dont like it they dont have to watch it!

No one is forcing them!

#9


``If I were in the place of the author, I would rather say, I enjoy nude scenes, and scenes showing lovemaking, though I am a Muslim, BUT would always abstain from calling it the right thing. I consider it is wrong, though a smaller kind of wrong... and hence, not doing much harm. ``

What in the world are you ranting about there??

You really expect a professional journalist in a press conference to say all that rubbish?!
Why are you using the term ‘enjoy’? Your missing the point.

People are different and with Islam containing a diverse number of followers, there will be different opinions. In this day an age, it is possible to be a practicing Muslim and - read carefully here- NOT OBJECT to such scenes. When you do not OBJECT it does not directly imply that one enjoys such scenes of pleasure. Such scenes do not necessarily instigate sexual pleasure for everyone; rather, it is so common now a days that some, if not all are fairly nonchalant. Or, one may not even enjoy such scenes and press fast forward instead, but he/she may not object.

I agree that there is a difference between ascribed faith and practicing it. However, next time in the future, do not assume things to be black and white just because your religion tells you so. It is rude and unfair to imply that the author `enjoys` watching such films because she does not have a problem with it.

And finally, our dear maulana’s , the zenith of ‘practicing Muslims’ are big consumers of prostitution and sexual abuse cases.

Peace...

Re: # 12
You have hit the head right on the head....
Bravo

Its classic South Asian Desi, `` Our mirror has two faces, One we gaze in, and the other shows others how we truly are``


Chuckle.....hugh

Lady Irena is being disingenuous if she claims not to be able to see what could be objectionable to the Muslim board. Her ``breezy tone`` is a facade and one that comes easy to many English-educated, liberal Indians. Usually these are the same people who start sentences with ``India is the land of Kamasutra`` or alternatively ``In early Islamic society, the arts flourished`` or some other such meaningless homily that has no significance in the current context.

``Morality`` and ``decency`` in India are fairly clearly defined these days- nudity is out, porn is out, talking about sex is out, performances of the Vagina monologues definitely out; but bust-heaving, hip-gyrating, cleavage-baring, cheap double entendre, treating women like sex objects is all perfectly kosher. You may not like this, but you`d be a fool to pretend you arn`t aware of it.

Lord Almighty,
WOW....

These Donkeys parading around as Men of the Cloth keeping long beards and moustaches need to be flogged....

Ofcourse not by me.....Where is Shiv Sena when you need it.....

Suhaag Raat or Wasl ki Raat is how our emperors got their Wali-Ehed`s and tons and tons of bastards...


Mughals WERE Westerners!

They were Persians...with central Asian, caucasoid, mongoloid, turkomen, Persian, and indian bloodlines

Have you ever seen portraits of Shah Jahan....He looks like a handsome mediterranean man.... could be Turk, Persian, Italian, Syrian, etc....I mean portraits in Alabaster relief, the divinely beautiful minatures from Padishahnameh.

The Court Atelier of Painters, Calligraphers, preparers of pigments, grinders of gemstones was kept constantly busy to paint important happenings in the lives of the emperors. From birth of ShahJahan`s sons to his annual weighing in gold coins that were to distributed in gold....

One must look at the plate where Shah Jahan recives the persian ambassador Muhammad Ali Beg and notice the similarities between the Persians and the Mughals.....



I havent seen the movie yet but I have seen the stills and studied them in depth. Some of them are quite good for a Bollywood production. Others are a bit hokey...the colors are off... The Mughals sense of Aesthetics was highly developed and very very finely tuned especially after the syncretic reign of His Royal Highness Shahensha-e-Hind Mughal-e-Azam Jalal-ud-din Akbar.

By Shahzadeh Khurram`s ascension to the throne, the Mughal Empire was one of the most powerful in the world... European ambassadors, doctors and jewellers were at the mughal court...There are actual paintings of Europeans being recieved in the Hall of Open Audience ..... One finds the same thing in paintings done in the Hasht-Behesht Palace in Iran where the Great Saffavid Shah of Iran would recieve emissaries from Russia and Northern and western borderlands.........

http://www.history.upenn.edu/coursepages/hist188/list.html

The plates from PadishaNameh can be viewed at the above mentioned link.....One must not copy from this website.. It is the intellectual property of UPenn and rights to display have not been acquired..


One must look at the plate where Shah Jahan is shown honoring Aurengzeb at his wedding...
Notice the clothes women wear....
Notice the Persian rugs.... Not like Akbar khan`s
Notice the Architecture....Mughal, restrained, Marble but not run amok like Rajput architecture from Bikaner Fort etc..

Notice the facial features of the singing girls, the girls playing hand held drums, the men holding the torches....and Candelabras....Notice the fine marble screens and draped with an extremely fine mughal Ghaaleecheh of silk and very high knot count... perhaps 1400-2000 per square inch probably embroided with gemstones and gold wire....

Notice the clothes.... The refinement of fitting on a man`s torso of the Peshvaak, Patka and Chooridaar Payejameh topped off with strands of Basra Pearls and cabochon emeralds, rubies and delicately refined hands of Shah Jahan

A beautiful man with aesthetic sensibilties to match his love for another soul......

If you look at some of the plates you can distinctly tell the various ethnicities apart....

The Rajput Ranas, Sons of the Sun, Sons of the Moon in their colorful turbans and burnished skins... and wrapped in Kashmir paisley shawls with parallel stripes..... a pattern copied to the scottish`s heart content in Paisley, Scotland.


The Afghans are immediately visible.....If you can discern you can see for yourself....

The Turkish Pashas are also visible......clearly

The Persian rugs are also great indicators of their western cultures......

The rug in the plate,`` Jahangir gives Shahjahan a turban`` has roses on it, but not the typical south Asian depiction but a western Iranian depiction of roses as found in rugs from the western most highly Turkish influenced city of Tabriz......



Jahangir sitting on a throne high above the rest with murals depicting the cow and the lion joining heads and sitting together...

Question..?

Did the Film got the required `` controversial attention `` , ... it was more like a publicity hype.

So did they succed or did they failed. !!

Funny thing, when the author says, that he is a muslim and doesnt find anyuthing wrong with the scenes of nudity/lovemaking in the film. It certainly doesnt mean that none of the muslims would find anything wrong. Actually, a muslim person, a believing and a practicing muslim person, would condemn it, for sure.

If someone doesnt stand by the things that Islam preaches, and doesnt stay away from things prohibited, then is he right in calling himself a muslim? Is it merely the birth of a person that decides his religion? Is it not something more substantial like having faith, and following it in essence at least, if not in practice?

If I were in the place of the author, I would rather say, I enjoy nude scenes, and scenes showing lovemaking, though I am a muslim, BUT would always abstain from calling it the right thing. I consider it is wrong, though a smaller kind of wrong... and hence, not doing much harm.

Arrey, if half the Muslim world could object to Satanic Verses without reading the damn thing, why can`t another Muslim not object to a film without seeing it? As a Muslim politician had said back in the day, ``one does not have to bathe in keechad to know it is keechad``. Similarly, you do not have to drink Dom Perignon to know it is fine champagne. The label itself is enough.

Anyways, i liked the writing style and enjoyed the breezy conversationalist tone.

Also, my dear Ahmadzai:

``To a question asked by Oprah on filming a love making scene, Aishwrya Roy, the leading Indian film actress, had said that for Asians, kissing is a very private part of love life, not to be done in the public. ``

Aishwarya Rai should be made to watch 48 hours of Malyali porn for making such a stupid ass statement. She should head to any public park to see the amount of kissing that does take place in India. In Delhi, I would suggest Lodgi Gardens or Buddha Jayanti Park.

``So showing kissing and love making scenes for the consumption of the public should be abhorrable to Hindus and Muslims alike. ``

What is the per capita consumtion of porn amongst Hindus and Muslims?

``If leaders of a community are against specific scene(s), it would perhaps be better for the film makers not to include it so as not to hurt public sentiments. ``

Who makes these idiots leaders in the first place? Their leadery is self styled and a greased pole should be shoved up their bum for their pains.

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To a question asked by Oprah on filming a love making scene, Aishwrya Roy, the leading Indian film actress, had said that for Asians, kissing is a very private part of love life, not to be done in the public.

So showing kissing and love making scenes for the consumption of the public should be abhorrable to Hindus and Muslims alike.

If leaders of a community are against specific scene(s), it would perhaps be better for the film makers not to include it so as not to hurt public sentiments.

Irena

Very interesting but for the contradiction pointed out by Hmzad at #2 which tends to spoils the whole show.

I wonder how will Indian Sikhs react to a movie depicting Moses shoving up his Lathi (stick sweetheart) up Kali’s butt.

I am really surprised (well a little) that Delhi Press Club has that much free time on its hands. Isn’t there anything else going on in Delhi?

Irena:

Maulanas do represent a strong sentiment in the Muslim Indian population. Standards of decency and what is acceptable are changing fast in India for many people, and not just the Muslims.

BTW, since when have the Indian Maulanas swapped their narrow pajamas for salwars?

How do you reconcile the following?

`Since I hadn’t seen the movie,`

“I too am a Muslim, I find nothing wrong in the film.`

Irena my dear, in general skin flicks are considered no-no`s for Muslims, that is those who practice Islam...this business about the actors and whomever also being ``Muslims``, note the quotes, is a bit of sophistry used to deflect an otherwise legit view in the eyes of many Muslims who in fact do care two hoots about their faith...

In Muslim culture, by far and wide...public nudity is a bad thing....get over it.