Farzana Versey December 27, 2005
#14 Posted by sri on December 29, 2005 2:54:55 am
Ummah is utopia,
Mohammad`s teachings are utopia,
For islamic societies, progress is a work of fiction describing a utopia.
#13 Posted by omar_r_quraishi on December 29, 2005 2:41:14 am
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#12 Posted by bolta_aaina on December 29, 2005 12:11:47 am
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#10 Posted by bolta_aaina on December 28, 2005 8:41:52 pm
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#9 Posted by supersize on December 28, 2005 8:32:26 pm
Heartening to see someone still wondering the possibility of Utopias in this day and age. But some would suggest that we already live in one.
#7 Posted by chaltahai on December 28, 2005 10:32:48 am
Ramble on...sing my song...gonna find my girl..ramble on..
#11 Posted by FarzanaVersey on December 28, 2005 11:24:56 pm
Re: # 6:
[Heartening to see someone still wondering the possibility of Utopias in this day and age. But some would suggest that we already live in one.]
The two sentences are contradictory. The first part deals with doubt....that is the fount and stimulus for renewal. Would it be that the second part means that those who believe in it already are delusionary? Or far too idealistic?
I did mention failed states as also being ideal states. On the face of it this is a contradiction...but as I elaborated, there is much to be said for rebellion. Isn`t More`s ``nowhere`` state a manifestation of this aspect of being and nothingness? It is the `outsider` who works best to set a framework for the machinations within any society.
I do have tremendous belief in the potential of a perfect world. That is the reason I had first written about Shangri-la way back in 1991...a bit after Plato and co, alas:)
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#1: Thank you for directing me to your post. Perhaps you might like to add a few more ideas here to the several I have not been able to fully expand on?
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Salim: You are to be `informed` that ``enjoyment`` does not always result in lethargy....is this all you could come up with? No further discussion?
Drat...tis the holiday season....
[Heartening to see someone still wondering the possibility of Utopias in this day and age. But some would suggest that we already live in one.]
The two sentences are contradictory. The first part deals with doubt....that is the fount and stimulus for renewal. Would it be that the second part means that those who believe in it already are delusionary? Or far too idealistic?
I did mention failed states as also being ideal states. On the face of it this is a contradiction...but as I elaborated, there is much to be said for rebellion. Isn`t More`s ``nowhere`` state a manifestation of this aspect of being and nothingness? It is the `outsider` who works best to set a framework for the machinations within any society.
I do have tremendous belief in the potential of a perfect world. That is the reason I had first written about Shangri-la way back in 1991...a bit after Plato and co, alas:)
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#1: Thank you for directing me to your post. Perhaps you might like to add a few more ideas here to the several I have not been able to fully expand on?
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Salim: You are to be `informed` that ``enjoyment`` does not always result in lethargy....is this all you could come up with? No further discussion?
Drat...tis the holiday season....
#5 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on December 28, 2005 9:22:43 am
Farazana,
You are back and with gusto. What a masterpiece! I really enjoyed all the contradictions, the sarcasm, and the unique definitions. You have such talent and know how to express yourself so well. Now I know why I am such a fan of yours.
I thought that this was particularly amusing:
{``Utopia would require a man with clear sight to enter a dark cellar with a torch, find a black cat and proceed to paint it white.``}
Please continue to write like this. I usually read to gain information. I read you to for enjoyment.
You are back and with gusto. What a masterpiece! I really enjoyed all the contradictions, the sarcasm, and the unique definitions. You have such talent and know how to express yourself so well. Now I know why I am such a fan of yours.
I thought that this was particularly amusing:
{``Utopia would require a man with clear sight to enter a dark cellar with a torch, find a black cat and proceed to paint it white.``}
Please continue to write like this. I usually read to gain information. I read you to for enjoyment.
#4 Posted by Saminasha on December 28, 2005 5:23:25 am
Hey...I used the word Utopia first....but lets congratulate Subroto!
From my ilaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag!:
``December 26, 2005
My husband tells me stories of a parallel city, invisible, several feet beneath the stretching avenues and the chessboard streets of New York City. It seems that the money holders and wielders continue to build upward in hopes of a city that calls to mind Aristophane`s The Birds. In this Greek satire, a couple in love do not receive the blessings of their parents to marry, and so they ask the birds if they can live in the air. The birds allow the couple their request and the couple live in this utopia until they fall out of love. There are so many ideas about this plot line to relish; the idea that love creates an elevated state that separates lovers from the rest of humanity, that reality causes us to return to gutted and compromised ground, a negotiated Eden, what Adam Zagajewski, the Polish poet calls ``the mutilated world``. ``
From my ilaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag!:
``December 26, 2005
My husband tells me stories of a parallel city, invisible, several feet beneath the stretching avenues and the chessboard streets of New York City. It seems that the money holders and wielders continue to build upward in hopes of a city that calls to mind Aristophane`s The Birds. In this Greek satire, a couple in love do not receive the blessings of their parents to marry, and so they ask the birds if they can live in the air. The birds allow the couple their request and the couple live in this utopia until they fall out of love. There are so many ideas about this plot line to relish; the idea that love creates an elevated state that separates lovers from the rest of humanity, that reality causes us to return to gutted and compromised ground, a negotiated Eden, what Adam Zagajewski, the Polish poet calls ``the mutilated world``. ``
#3 Posted by scout on December 28, 2005 5:15:17 am
bolta_aaina,
Please think before accusing someone of plagiarizing your views. I fail to see the connection between this article and your post except for the word `utopia.`
Please think before accusing someone of plagiarizing your views. I fail to see the connection between this article and your post except for the word `utopia.`
#1 Posted by bolta_aaina on December 28, 2005 1:34:12 am
Sorry to point out that the article is based on my Post#73 Dt.December 22,2005 in the thread of Blasphemy posted by Ms. Jawahara Saidullah. The author has just elaborated my views.
#8 Posted by Kamath on December 28, 2005 11:56:01 am
Re: # 1
You say, ``Of the Sub-continent, For the Subcontinent...`` under your name. Are these this not familiar words?
Now who is plagiarizing now???
Kamath
You say, ``Of the Sub-continent, For the Subcontinent...`` under your name. Are these this not familiar words?
Now who is plagiarizing now???
Kamath
#2 Posted by bluegaze on December 28, 2005 4:04:16 am
Re: # 1
just because you used the word ``utopia`` ? Duh!
just because you used the word ``utopia`` ? Duh!
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