Nowhere: The Utopian Destination

Sorry to point out that the article is based on my Post#73 Dt.December 22,2005 in the thread of Blasphemy posted by Ms. Jawahara Saidullah. The author has just elaborated my views.

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just because you used the word ``utopia`` ? Duh!

bolta_aaina,

Please think before accusing someone of plagiarizing your views. I fail to see the connection between this article and your post except for the word `utopia.`

Hey...I used the word Utopia first....but lets congratulate Subroto!


From my ilaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag!:

``December 26, 2005



My husband tells me stories of a parallel city, invisible, several feet beneath the stretching avenues and the chessboard streets of New York City. It seems that the money holders and wielders continue to build upward in hopes of a city that calls to mind Aristophane`s The Birds. In this Greek satire, a couple in love do not receive the blessings of their parents to marry, and so they ask the birds if they can live in the air. The birds allow the couple their request and the couple live in this utopia until they fall out of love. There are so many ideas about this plot line to relish; the idea that love creates an elevated state that separates lovers from the rest of humanity, that reality causes us to return to gutted and compromised ground, a negotiated Eden, what Adam Zagajewski, the Polish poet calls ``the mutilated world``. ``

Farazana,
You are back and with gusto. What a masterpiece! I really enjoyed all the contradictions, the sarcasm, and the unique definitions. You have such talent and know how to express yourself so well. Now I know why I am such a fan of yours.

I thought that this was particularly amusing:
{``Utopia would require a man with clear sight to enter a dark cellar with a torch, find a black cat and proceed to paint it white.``}

Please continue to write like this. I usually read to gain information. I read you to for enjoyment.

Brilliant writing. (T)

Ramble on...sing my song...gonna find my girl..ramble on..

Re: # 1

You say, ``Of the Sub-continent, For the Subcontinent...`` under your name. Are these this not familiar words?
Now who is plagiarizing now???
Kamath

Heartening to see someone still wondering the possibility of Utopias in this day and age. But some would suggest that we already live in one.

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[Heartening to see someone still wondering the possibility of Utopias in this day and age. But some would suggest that we already live in one.]

The two sentences are contradictory. The first part deals with doubt....that is the fount and stimulus for renewal. Would it be that the second part means that those who believe in it already are delusionary? Or far too idealistic?

I did mention failed states as also being ideal states. On the face of it this is a contradiction...but as I elaborated, there is much to be said for rebellion. Isn`t More`s ``nowhere`` state a manifestation of this aspect of being and nothingness? It is the `outsider` who works best to set a framework for the machinations within any society.

I do have tremendous belief in the potential of a perfect world. That is the reason I had first written about Shangri-la way back in 1991...a bit after Plato and co, alas:)
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#1: Thank you for directing me to your post. Perhaps you might like to add a few more ideas here to the several I have not been able to fully expand on?
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Salim: You are to be `informed` that ``enjoyment`` does not always result in lethargy....is this all you could come up with? No further discussion?

Drat...tis the holiday season....

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Ummah is utopia,
Mohammad`s teachings are utopia,
For islamic societies, progress is a work of fiction describing a utopia.

Dear Farzana,

I don`t know what eastern, western or other forms of democracy are... BUT in the constitution of 1973, Pakistan has a consensus document which fulfills expressions of all kinds... all we need to do in Pakistan is follow that constitution... and not try and follow any utopias...

I was reading this morning a college text from Aisha`s junior year.. called ``Approaching Democracy``... in one of the chapters, the writer argues that religion is all pervasive in American politics... but what the idealists aim to do is ``free exercise of religion``. Whatever real or imagined `ideological` aspirations for Pakistan... this ``free exercise of religion`` is central to any modern nation state... it is this what we ``secularists`` or those who harp on Jinnah`s vision want. When he spoke of a secular polity... he did not necessarily talk of building a berlin wall between church and state... but a wall high enough for the state to operate impartially...

#11, {``Salim: You are to be `informed` that ``enjoyment`` does not always result in lethargy....is this all you could come up with? No further discussion? ``}

Farzana,
That`s right... and please don`t forget that, OK?
No more silly and lazy articles like the one you wrote about that Thatcher fellow in Bombay or whatever his name is. You are much better than that. Did your dog write that article? :)