Remembering Munish

Re #65

Why the Indian security agencies cannot find Pakistanis to work with them like the ISI finds Indians all over India even in the deep South and in central India.

Even the former Pakistani congressi would not agree to work with an Indian agency. It is not that Pakistan does not have regional problems. Balochistan and Sindh often flare up but why Indian agencies cannot find anyone to support there?

Why the ISI never fails in India…More Indians are traitors to their own motherland...Bharat mata betrayed by its own hindu sons...

#65 by HP on January 3, 2006 11:55am PT

DM`s friend is dead at the hands of Islamic terrorists...i think he`d rather prefer to be alive and disrespected

If you Islamic terrorists think this killing is going to weaken India`s resolve, you`ll be surprised..and not in a good way..

DM can drink all the india-pak-bhai-bhai kool-aid he wants..fact remains, the scourge of Islamic terrorism is like a cancer on the world...the non-muslim world has seen it`s effects in New york, PA, washington, london, milan, bali etc etc..

If the purpose of post #63 is to continue to disrespect DM’s friend then here is my response.

Indian state is mired in problems that it created. Kashmir is an Indian problem. Indian state has difficulty in dealing with internal problems and finds it easy to blame neighboring countries for problems that it created.

Indian claim that a neighboring country is supplying arms in the heart of India in places like AP, Maharastra,Karnataka and Bihar, speaks volumes about its ability to provide protection to its own people. If the ISI can provide arms to rebels in the central India then one wonders whether the whole Indian security apparatus is on the take.

No outside security agency can succeed without active participation from the Indian citizens. And if Indian citizens want to work with a Pakistani security agency, a mortal enemy, then it speaks volumes about their love for their motherland too. Indians need to learn to condemn traitors within their own citizens before blaming anyone for militancy in India.

The RSS agents would claim Muslim fifth columnists like in post # 63 but they should realize that naxalites and militants in AP and Karnataka are not Muslim and are probably as anti Pakistani as any RSS person could be. But they have no hesitation in accepting arms and money from Pakistan agencies against the State of India as claimed by the Indian government.

It is to ISI credit that it can use Indian Hindu citizens against the Indian state. You don’t have much argument left when you know that traitors are your own Kith and kin.

Indians first learn to accept that ALL problems are their own creation. Pakistan is not a friend of India so if you wanna give Pakistan credit for supplying arms in the heart of India then Pakistanis should welcome it.

There are just more Indian traitors in Indian borders then they can find outside.

Kashmiris have a right to respond in kind in every Indian city....
Don`t like it ... duh!

hindvi
You might be interested in this:
http://www.smallwars.quantico.usmc.mil/search/LessonsLearned/Misc/MarksArticle.pdf

For starters I think India needs to cease all educational and scientific exchanges with Pakistan. A state which actively propagates an ideology which has no value for these, will not miss these exchanges. To my knowledge, no other violent political movement targetting the Indian state, resembles the jihadi ideology in its ideological hostility towards and committment to wipe out everything intellectual.

And if by targetting educationists and scientists, people want to create an Algeria-like civil war in India because they hate Hindus, so be it. I for one am willing to fight - what jihadis and their supporters forget is that Hindus have something to fight for too, if not other Indians.


That said to the Pakistanis justifying killings here, gujju conveniently forgot to post this from the outlookindia.com article he quoted:

http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20060102&fname=ajai&sid=1
``The attack in Bangalore was only the more visible evidence of a long-term war of attrition by Pakistani state agencies and their jehadi surrogates, intended to undermine India’s political stability, increasingly by attacking its economic, scientific and technological strengths.The objective is to gradually undermine India’s capacities for growth, as well as to weaken international confidence in the country and to create an atmosphere of pervasive terror over wide areas that would dampen the country’s capacity to attract foreign investment.

It is important to note, however, that despite occasional and inevitable ‘successes’, this relentless strategy – which has targeted virtually every concentration of Muslim populations in India for decades – has overwhelmingly failed to secure a base within the community, beyond a minuscule radical fringe. Further, the record of intelligence and security agency successes against such subversion and terror, although lacking the visibility and drama of a terrorist strike, is immensely greater than the record of the successes of this strategy.

#53 by IAliBirmingham on January 3, 2006 9:29am PT


I along with every Kashmiri and Pakistani will not stop fighting Indian Forces * and not civilians * until Kashmir is independent .


Or, until you`re all dead...

What? didn`t consider that...? why am I not surprised

HP #44

`` At this time there are only speculations about the shooters being Kashmiris.
In that case, it is an Internal Indian problem and like many other problems in India, the Indian government has no solution for it. ``

There is no evidence that the killing was done by a political or religious group of any agenda. It is pure speculation.

`` There is a war going on in Indian Kashmir at least the presence of 500k to 750k Indian army would suggest that. People die in Kashmir everyday. In view of that, Kashmiris have every right to strike anywhere in India. If Kashmir is a part of India then Kashmiris should take the fight to every Indian city. If people are going to die in Kashmir then nobody should begrudge the right of Kashmiris to retaliate wherever they can in India. ``

It would be real stupid to go around setting off bombs in Chennai, Bangalore or Hyderabad. Be careful in what you bargain for.

`` It is not surprising that problems are mounting in India. If a country embarks upon an uneven economic development path, it is going to have resentment in less developed areas. We see mounting problems in Bihar and AP. Naxalites are running loose. People are talking about the red corridor and the militancy is on the rise in AP and Karnataka. ``

IT or no IT - Naxalites have always existed in Bihar and AP. Karnataka has no known domestic militancy. They have had problems with linguistic minorities - none of whom resort to this kind of violence.

`` Peasants are losing their land: The proportion of landless households among the rural population has risen from 35 per cent in 1987-88 to 41 per cent in 1999-2000; the proportion of landless and marginal combined has risen from 55 per cent to 63 per cent in this period. ``

The rural poor have a higher birthrate. Hence the increase in their numbers. The small holdings of land gets sub-divided. Hence the increase in marginal landowners.

`` Karnataka is low on rainfall, has large stretches of arid land, and is strapped by high poverty levels. ``

It would be true even if there was no IT. It is a function of geography.

`` During the last five years over Rs 240 billion has been spent on the National Highways Development Project (largely on the Golden Quadrilateral between the four metropolises), only Rs 115 billion has been spent on the Pradhan Mantri Gram Sadak Yojana, which aims to connect no less than 170,000 unconnected villages with roads. ``

There is nothing wrong with the National Highway project. You just need more of it.

`` This is just a sample. There is not enough space on Chowk to complete the list of other existing and brewing problems.
It is the inability of the Indian governments to find solutions that leads to incidents like the one in Bangalore. ``

You have no evidence who the culprits are.

`` If Indian government finds a military solution of Kashmir then Kashmiris should find a military solution too. Take the fight to Indian cities. ``

it is hard to wage war without money, explosives, guns and a geographical sanctuary.

Aslan

I dont think tahmed is a supporter of terrorism - I think he is a good man responding as any decent man would to the call for the killing of innocents on his territory.

HP is a snivelling Sindhi piece of human and moral excrement who celebrates Dr Puri being murdered so he deserves it and to concentrate the mind, an imagining of his loved ones being murdered by legitimate expressions of popular grievance, for example a stray MQM bullet - whoops!

As for Ali from Birmingham, well the whole country of Britain is sick and tired of screaming, chest thumping Kashmiri Islamist Psychopaths.

Living in their ghettoes, watching videos of Americans and Jews being decapitated, plotting suicide bombing - after the `proud freedom fighters` of the London Underground blew themselves up, those great Kashmiri freedom fighters from Leeds, the entire nation is sick to death of these whinging, screaming, self pitying terrorist breeding community of men living in ghettoes, drug dealing, pimping, then when they turn 21 turning into Jihadis and plotting to kill as many innocent kaffirs as they can by blowing themselves up.

Soon these in-bred half-wits will be calling Bradford an `occupied territory` and calling on the Ummah to help them liberate it. The most backward community in the whole of Britain, illiterate, unemployed, seething with hatred and violence, suicide-bombing of Jews and British cities is the main growth industry for young British Kashmiri men.

As I said, the whole of the UK is sick and tired of their half witted imbecility and ignorance and violence and fundamentalism.

Birmingham #53 What I wrote in #57 to an Indian poster applies to you as well.

I apologize Dost mittar! I had never wanted to ruin your memories of your friend. I hope your Indian friends had the sense to not use this board to post their typical mantras despite your pleas.

Until Indian government arrests and punishes someone, it is just speculation about who did that and it could be just another drive by shooting.

My point is simple…It is an Indian problem and Indians should deal with it. If the Indian army can kill people in Kashmir then kashmirs have a right to respond in kind...You may not like it but that is what it is....

Cussing like a widow wont change a thing.

#54 OK. You have responded in a decent and reasonable manner, and so ``lowlife`` was not the right word, and I take it back with apologies.

My basic point remains - anyone who applauds acts of violence against innocent people (as you were doing), is part of the problem himself. If you wish to be part of the solution, then rise above petty communalism, and dont take sides in distinguishing between ``good`` vs ``bad`` terrorism as you were doing.

TVG...tahmed chachu is an Islamic terrorist monkey himself. No different from HP or the new monkey Ali from Birmingham.

IAliBirmingham

Salaams Brummie Paki

Your lads have taken the fight to the London Underground too. Have you volunteered for the next Mirpuri firework display in England? What`s your next target?

In bred, over fed, suicide bombing - British Kashmiris are a true blessings to their nation.

Are you planning to blow up the Bull Ring then?

tahmed32

Your friend HP called for more killings of the kind described in this article. He must be `high life` and we are the `low life` but I think you are just confused, old man.

As a Kashmir ( migrated from Jammu to Mirpur , AJK , Pakistan ) living in Birmingham , I support our freedom fighters like my dad , my grandfather and his grandfather . Our struggle for independence will not stop until we get our motherland back free from Indian Influence and Free from Indian Constitution which we reject and strongly reject .
I am a born and bread British Pakistani of Kashmiri Origin which I am proud of , I along with every Kashmiri and Pakistani will not stop fighting Indian Forces * and not civilians * until Kashmir is independent .

#49 dont tell me you were ``merely responding`` to HP - chowk is littered with posts from indians trying to bad mouth pakistan at every opportunity. but i dont see any pakistani responding by applauding acts of terrorism.