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The Yin and Yang of Domestic Surveillance

Mohammad Gill January 18, 2006

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#12 Posted by Urstruly on January 20, 2006 7:41:57 am

As a strategic intiative i think Muslims in America should be the most vocal advocates of Domestic Surveilance. As a matter of fact Muslim interest groups should hire lobbyists in Washington to influence more and stricter domestic surveilance legislation. The reason for this strategy is that they would do the surveilence (of Muslims) anyway, regardless of one is guilty or not. But when Muslims object to this surveilence the establishment makes a point that `look Muslims are protesting it, so they must have something to hide` and hence Americans are passified into thinking `oh well, better bugged than dead` (the slogan used be `oh well better red than dead` in europe during cold war. Besides all the Muslims in united states have emigrated from police states anyway where deadly regimes treated them like animals. Here at least they can live and work in relative dignity, sort of.

So Iwould advise Muslims to leave this commie/socielist/leftist agenda of human rights and shit and play along.
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#11 Posted by vanguard on January 19, 2006 5:26:51 am
The US State Department spokesman said on Tuesday that “the greatest threat to Pakistan and to a more democratic, more prosperous Pakistan are the terrorists” - Daily Dawn, January 19.

I did not know that Pakistan was a democracy. I think wikipedia should also introduce a different definition of democracy.

Cheers
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#10 Posted by discoverer on January 19, 2006 2:31:46 am
``harish_hyd``

It`s the same story every where, whether it is America, Pakistan or INDIA. The fact is dictorship have its own meaning in these countries and its NOT called Dictatorship.

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#9 Posted by harish_hyd on January 19, 2006 1:34:13 am
If Pakis are willing to live under a dictator`s boot back home, I don`t see any reason why they can`t live with electronic surveillance of their homes in the US.
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#8 Posted by theedge on January 18, 2006 8:21:56 pm
nasah, do you mean to say there is a court in America that can actually make evesdropping ``leagal?``
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#7 Posted by nasah on January 18, 2006 5:13:57 pm
George Bush committed a crime when he eavsdropped on American citizens without court order.... period -- no ifs or buts -- and his but is about to be whipped in the court of law for yet another mongoloid invasion by subterfuge.....
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#6 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on January 18, 2006 10:41:14 am
I BEAR WITNESS TO THE FACT THAT THERE IS NO SYSTEM BETTER THAN DEMOCRACY AND PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH IS THE APOSTLE OF FREEDOM. USA USA USA USA USA
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#5 Posted by discoverer on January 18, 2006 9:46:36 am
This is a controversial topic to discuss with, many westerners and even asians don`t believe in so called Domenstic Surveillence. The World has changed after 9/11 & 7/7 as every asian is under the close watched of the American And British Intelligence. Any How, Great job Sir Gill.
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#4 Posted by Kulharee on January 18, 2006 9:42:24 am
There’s a letter to the editor in today’s NYTimes highlighting the contradiction in the way this Bush and Co are operating: the letter states, and I paraphrase:

((What logic underlies the US decision to send missiles to risk innocent lives for the sake of targeting ONE terrorist (as happened last week in North Waziristan)? While the US will never send missiles at terrorists living within the US.))

Having said that, desperate times require desperate measures. Even if ONE innocent life is saved by these “illegal” wiretaps, the price paid is well worth it. If my child’s life is at risk, my own civil liberties will be the last thing on my mind.
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#3 Posted by freethinker on January 18, 2006 9:27:49 am
arjun_m:
Thanks for pointing out my mistake. The correction has been made in the text.
Mohammad Gill
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#2 Posted by jang on January 18, 2006 8:20:02 am
i am not posting anything here..
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#1 Posted by arjun_m on January 18, 2006 6:18:45 am

The current furor is due to the surveillance of the American nationals at home;


Americans nationals of the jihadi persuasion talking to AQ targets abroad...


The leak story about outing the CIA operative, Hillary Plame,


christ..what`s this, amateur hour? It`s Valerie Plame...
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