Pervez Musharraf Ko Peace Do

#89, ahmadzai {``In most countries, women slightly outnumber men, but separate research for the year 2001 showed that for every 1,000 male babies born in India, there were just 933 girls.``}

Ahmadzai,
If you take into account that 14%-15% of the births in India are Muslim and that female infanticide is a modern Hindu and Sikh phenomenon, then the ratio becomes even more critical. I am just worried about the 67 boys and their 134 hands - assuming my math is correct. :)

You guys are not fair. Mushy is the first Dilliwalla since Mullaji do Pyaze to make it to the big league and you guys are not giving him any doubt of the benefit. Please support Mushy in his quest to keep Delhi as the capital of the reunited Hindustan. Long live Mushy.

Woh Dilli woh Dilli ki galiyaaN kahaaN.

#110 by arjun_m

Wow! Mushy interview is a rehash of my article.

Right here on Chowk

Obviously, he has been briefed by my friends in the Pak foreign office who had read the article.
Like any army general uncouth in diplomacy, Mushy just made two mistakes. He could not figure out what Self governance is and then he talked about the Joint Control.

“Self-governance falls in between autonomy and independence.”

That is a very simplistic explanation of Self governance. In Kashmir’s case it should always refer to article 370 in Indian constitution.

Joint control is what I mentioned in my article as opening the borders and allowing Kashmiris to cooperate with each other in business and trade. The joint control would be a state where both India and Pakistan maintain their areas of influence but allow Kashmiris to mingle and do business with each other without any restrictions on borders.

Imo, the transparent/invisible border can be the Line of control. Both countries should sign a NO war pact in Kashmir (allow couple of years to cool things up before pushing the No war pact thing.)

Hindu Extremists hold Training Camps to Fight Christian Missionaries



Bajrang Dal and VHP are organizing `Trishul Diksha` ceremonies to equip their activists with weapons.

Bajrang Dal activists have vowed to rid India of Christian missionaries and churches.

A VHP-organised `Trishul Diksha` ceremony in progress
India – Hindu extremist outfits have vowed to fight Christian missionaries and stop forcible ‘conversions’ by distributing weapons and forming armed anti-Christian squads, Christian Today has confirmed.

Speaking to the media, Suresh Rath, a Viswa Hindu Parishad (VHP or World Hindu Council) activist said that over 5,000 youth would be trained to fight missionaries and stop ‘conversion’ activities.

These anti-Christian squads would be formed within the next two years, he said.

Living up to the promise, the VHP and Hindu right-wing militant outfit, the Bajrang Dal recently organised a massive ``Trishul Diksha`` (Trident Initiation or Trident Distribution) ceremony at Keonjhar and other districts in Orissa.

According to news reports, the outfits had distributed swords and sharp tridents to over 500 activists amid anti-Christian slogans and Hindu rituals.

``Christian missionaries will be stopped at all costs…they must leave the country or face dire consequences,`` Sanath Ram, a Bajrang Dal activist said. ``The poor people in Orissa that were converted to Christianity will be reconverted back soon.``

The ``Trishul Diksha`` ceremonies began taking place soon after news spread that the Orissa High Court had commuted the death sentence of Dara Singh, the prime accused in the Graham Staines murder case, and had acquitted 11 other co-accuseds.

Several Christian advocacy groups fear that the shocking verdict of the Orissa High Court will embolden Hindu extremists to unleash a fresh terror against Christian missionaries and churches in Orissa and elsewhere.

Their fears are not unfounded, however, when Govardhan, a prime suspect who had owned up to the brutal killings of Pastor Raju and Pastor Daniel last May in Andhra Pradesh, boldly proclaimed that he was motivated by the act of Dara Singh who he ``respected greatly.``

But Hindu extremists are not the only ones who are venting their anger against the Christians. Police and local government officials appear to sympathise with them too.

Recently, in two separate incidents, the Gujarat High Court and the Orissa High Court directed a probe into acts of police brutality upon Christian missionaries.

``I support the revolutionary attitude of Dara Singh,`` said Nibedita Pradhan, mayor of Cuttack, Orissa, and a local Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) leader. ``I will support him always because of his courage.``

``Christian missionaries are creating law and order problems in the state and engaged in the conversion of Hindus into Christians,`` she said. ``That should be stopped…otherwise more numbers of Dara Singh will be created and attacks on missionaries will be repeated.``

Pradhan is apparently not the only influential Hindu supporting violence against missionaries in Orissa. Other local BJP officials, Baidhar Mallik and Pratap Sarangi also expressed support for attacks against active Christians and missionaries.

Besides the VHP and the Bajrang Dal, the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) has also vowed to put an end to ‘conversion’ activities carried out by the Christian missionaries.

Towards this end, it is busy training hundreds of Hindu militants including some foreign nationals from Sri Lanka and Malaysia, Christian Today has confirmed.

The special training camps are situated in Tamil Nadu and Orissa and ``all the activists of RSS have to complete three year training courses in these training camps,`` The Organiser, a weekly magazine published by the Hindu fundamentalist organisation, said.

The first-year training camps of Orissa were organised at two places in which a total of 622 trainees participated while 137 activists participated at a second-year camp, it said.

Hundreds more are being trained in Tamil Nadu, according to the RSS`s official publication. Twelve activists from nearby Sri Lanka are participating in the first-year camp. In the second year camp, out of seventy-two, one of them is a Malaysian, The Organiser said.

Accusing the Christian missionaries for ``attacks on the Hindu values,`` the RSS publication has also called for a ban on NGOs that are ``missionary-controlled`` for carrying biases against the Hindu culture and religion.

There are unconfirmed reports that over 5,000 militants are participating in different training camps in Assam, Andhra Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh, Gujarat, Rajasthan, Punjab and Haryana.

Meanwhile, the situation in Orissa continues to remain tense. Various church agencies and independent organisations have recorded hundreds of attacks this year against Christians in the tense state and elsewhere in India. There are about 24 million Christians in India, just over 2 percent of India`s total 1.1 billion population, according to Church estimates.

These articles and debates are useless because they are not going to change a single thing on the ground.

The Delhi Massacre, 1984

On June 3-6 1984, in Operation Bluestar, Indian forces laid siege to the Golden Temple, Sikhism`s holiest shrine, in the Punjabi city of Amritsar. The temple had been occupied by heavily-armed Sikh militants under the leadership of Sant Bhindranwale. In the massacre, and in dozens of other mass killings that took place simultaneously at religious sites throughout Punjab, thousands of Sikhs were murdered by Indian security personnel. At the Golden Temple, according to Human Rights Watch, ``Indian government forces were guilty of outrageous violations of fundamental human rights -- deliberately attacking the temple at a time they knew thousands of religious pilgrims were inside, not offering an opportunity for surrender, and summarily executing those it captured.`` (``India: Arms and Abuses in Indian Punjab and Kashmir``, September 1994.) Many children and women were killed in the assault, along with a preponderance of Sikh men. ``Civil liberties organisations, such as the Movement Against State Repression, have claimed that the total number killed in Operation Bluestar exceeded ten thousand. Thousands of young men also went missing in the period after Bluestar.`` (Joyce Pettigrew, The Sikhs of the Punjab: Unheard Voices of State and Guerrilla Violence, p. 24 [n. 10].)

Hindu men rampage through the streets of Delhi, November 1984



On October 31, 1984, the Indian Prime Minister, Indira Gandhi, who had ordered Operation Bluestar, was assassinated in a revenge attack by her two Sikh bodyguards. Over the following five days, one of the worst gendercidal massacres of modern times took place in the Indian capital, Delhi. The victims were Sikh males of all ages. At 10 p.m. on the evening following the Prime Minister`s assassination, widespread killings broke out across Delhi, apparently organized by the Hindu extremist parties that have become prominent players in Indian politics. Hindu men roamed the streets, declaring an open season on Sikh males (those who were religiously observant were easily identified by their long hair and turbans). The gendercidal character of the killings was indeed almost total. According to the Indian feminist Madhu Kishwar,


The nature of the attacks confirm[s] that there was a deliberately plan to kill as many Sikh men as possible, hence nothing was left to chance. That also explains why in almost all cases, after hitting or stabbing, the victims were doused with kerosene or petrol and burnt, so as to leave no possibility of their surviving. Between October 31 and November 4, more than 2,500 men were murdered in different parts of Delhi, according to several careful unofficial estimates. There have been very few cases of women being killed except when they got trapped in houses which were set on fire. Almost all the women interviewed described how men and young boys were special targets. They were dragged out of the houses, attacked with stones and rods, and set on fire. ... When women tried to protect the men of their families, they were given a few blows and forcibly separated from the men. Even when they clung to the men, trying to save them, they were hardly ever attacked the way men were. I have not yet heard of a case of a woman being assaulted and then burnt to death by the mob. (Kishwar, ``Delhi: Gangster Rule,`` in Patwant Singh and Harji Malik, eds., Punjab: The Fatal Miscalculation [New Delhi, 1985], pp. 171-78.)
A typical account of the atrocities was provided by a female witness whose ``husband and three sons ... were all killed on 1 November.`` As investigators summarized her testimony:


When a mob first came the Sikhs came out and repulsed them. Three such waves were repulsed, but each time the police came and told them to go home and stay there. The fourth time the mob came in increased strength and started attacking individual homes, driving people out, beating and burning them and setting fire to their homes. The method of killing was invariably the same: a man was hit on the head, sometimes his skull broken, kerosene poured over him and set on fire. Before being burnt, some had their eyes gouged out. Sometimes, when a burning man asked for water, a man urinated on his mouth. Several individuals, including her sister`s son, tried to escape by cutting their hair. Most of them were also killed. Some had their hair forcibly cut but were nevertheless killed thereafter. (Quoted in Khalsa Human Rights, ``Cases of Victims``.)
The estimate of 2,500 dead offered by Kishwar (above) is almost certainly too low. The New York Times in 1996 cited the research of Sikh activist Gurucharan Singh Babbar, who ``has piles of affidavits from victims` families that prove, he says, that 5,015 Sikhs were killed, more than double the official figure ...`` Whatever the exact death toll, it was ``one of the darkest chapters in [India`s] half-century of independence.`` (John F. Burns, ``The Sikhs Get Justice Long After A Massacre,`` The New York Times, September 16, 1996). Throughout the massacre, Indian police and security forces stood by or assisted in disarming Sikhs, rendering them defenceless. An Indian Supreme Court Justice, V.M. Tarkunde, stated in the aftermath of the slaughter that ``Two lessons can be drawn from the experience of the Delhi riots. One is about the extent of criminalisation of our politics and the other about the utter unreliability of our police force in a critical situation.`` (Quoted in Khalsa Human Rights, ``The Delhi Massacre: An Example of Malicious Government``.)

A Sikh woman weeps after her husband was burned to death in the Delhi massacre.



It is important to note that while few if any Sikh women were intentionally killed, hundreds, if not thousands, were raped -- sometimes repeatedly -- by rampaging Hindu men. Many of the female survivors of the massacre today live in Tilak Vihar, a quarter of Delhi that has become known as the ``Widows` Colony.`` Since 1984, they have pressed for justice in the killings, and finally achieved some success in 1996, when ``a magistrate ... imposed a death sentence on a butcher found guilty of two Sikh murders in the riots. Evidence presented in court indicated he was also involved in at least 150 other killings.`` The justice in question, Shiv Narain Dinghra, has led a ``personal crusade`` of his own, sentencing dozens of rioters to five years` ``harsh imprisonment.`` Nonetheless, official Indian attitudes toward the slaughter reflect a belief that ``the massacre was necessary to teach a lesson`` to the Sikhs, according to Dinghra. (Burns, ``The Sikhs Get Justice.``)

salim posting christiantoday.com.. are you ALSO getting lifafa?

This is a Muslim killed by Hindu extremists.