Sharon’s Legacy

#54, Kulharee {``Can someone post some stats on how many Muslims have been killed/Displaced by Muslims? ``}

Kulharee Payee,
Not that many. I knew this one Bihari Muslim dude who was displaced from his house by this Pathan dude for not paying his debt on time. OK, there was this Lahori lady in Karachi who was kicked out by the MQM goonDas from her rented house in Golimar for emulating Hira Mandi in a residential area. That`s the extent of it.

#38 by Mantolives on January 13, 2006 7:36am PT


No one claims that the Pakistan army was blameless...


So Sarmila Bose`s research notwithstanding, the point still stands..The Pakistani army has killed 10 times as many muslims as have died in India..a crime for which no paki army officer has been prosecuted...

#52 by Urstruly on January 13, 2006 8:41am PT


As a matter of fact, Israel is the ONLY nation in the whole wide world that has been condemned by world community that it makes a Guiness Book world record.


And they couldn`t have done it without you and your tax $$...and for that, i`m sure, they`re eternally grateful...

#53 Mantolives

Really, you agree with me? Yet you are ONLY interested in crimes in india that fit your sectarian agenda? what kind of clown are you?

If you had any real interest in reducing crime and violence in india, you would manifest it very differently. As I said, it takes a special kind of ultra-sick person who exalts suffering of one class of people over other people. You seem to be such a person.

Haha… Israel is a real source of keeping Pakis busy. That’s not a bad thing.

Can someone post some stats on how many Muslims have been killed/Displaced by Muslims?

P-Mishra,

Sir I absolutely agree with you...

And just for that one must revisit the case of Graham Stainnes and his two sons... who were burnt alive by Hindu extremists in a most brutish fashion.

Why?

They were Australian Christians in India.

Further to # 47

As a matter of fact, Israel is the ONLY nation in the whole wide world that has been condemned by world community that it makes a Guiness Book world record. So despite that if an individual thinks that somehow situtaion in Palestine is Palestinian and Arab fault then it is pure anti-Muslim bias and hatered:

http://teach.valdosta.edu/modelun/Resolutions_Against_Isreal.htm


The UN Resolutions against Israel:

1955-1992:


* Resolution 106: `` . . . `condemns` Israel for Gaza raid``.
* Resolution 111: `` . . . `condemns` Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people``.
* Resolution 127: `` . . . `recommends` Israel suspends it`s `no-man`s zone` in Jerusalem``.
* Resolution 162: `` . . . `urges` Israel to comply with UN decisions``.
* Resolution 171: `` . . . determines flagrant violations` by Israel in its attack on Syria``.
* Resolution 228: `` . . . `censures` Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control``.
* Resolution 237: `` . . . `urges` Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees``.
* Resolution 248: `` . . . `condemns` Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan``.
* Resolution 250: `` . . . `calls` on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem``.
* Resolution 251: `` . . . `deeply deplores` Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250``.
* Resolution 252: `` . . . `declares invalid` Israel`s acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital``.
* Resolution 256: `` . . . `condemns` Israeli raids on Jordan as `flagrant violation``.
* Resolution 259: `` . . . `deplores` Israel`s refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation``.
* Resolution 262: `` . . . `condemns` Israel for attack on Beirut airport``.
* Resolution 265: `` . . . `condemns` Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan``.
* Resolution 267: `` . . . `censures` Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem``.
*Resolution 270: `` . . . `condemns` Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon``.
* Resolution 271: `` . . . `condemns` Israel`s failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem``.
* Resolution 279: `` . . . `demands` withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon``.
* Resolution 280: `` . . . `condemns` Israeli`s attacks against Lebanon``.
* Resolution 285: `` . . . `demands` immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon``.
* Resolution 298: `` . . . `deplores` Israel`s changing of the status of Jerusalem``.
* Resolution 313: `` . . . `demands` that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon``.
* Resolution 316: `` . . . `condemns` Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon``.
* Resolution 317: `` . . . `deplores` Israel`s refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon``.
* Resolution 332: `` . . . `condemns` Israel`s repeated attacks against Lebanon``.
* Resolution 337: `` . . . `condemns` Israel for violating Lebanon`s sovereignty``.
* Resolution 347: `` . . . `condemns` Israeli attacks on Lebanon``.
* Resolution 425: `` . . . `calls` on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon``.
* Resolution 427: `` . . . `calls` on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon.
* Resolution 444: `` . . . `deplores` Israel`s lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces``.
* Resolution 446: `` . . . `determines` that Israeli settlements are a `serious
obstruction` to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention``.
* Resolution 450: `` . . . `calls` on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon``.
* Resolution 452: `` . . . `calls` on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories``.
* Resolution 465: `` . . . `deplores` Israel`s settlements and asks all member
states not to assist Israel`s settlements program``.
* Resolution 467: `` . . . `strongly deplores` Israel`s military intervention in Lebanon``.
* Resolution 468: `` . . . `calls` on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of
two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return``.
* Resolution 469: `` . . . `strongly deplores` Israel`s failure to observe the
council`s order not to deport Palestinians``.
* Resolution 471: `` . . . `expresses deep concern` at Israel`s failure to abide
by the Fourth Geneva Convention``.
* Resolution 476: `` . . . `reiterates` that Israel`s claim to Jerusalem are `null and void```.
* Resolution 478: `` . . . `censures (Israel) in the strongest terms` for its
claim to Jerusalem in its `Basic Law```.
* Resolution 484: `` . . . `declares it imperative` that Israel re-admit two deported
Palestinian mayors``.
* Resolution 487: `` . . . `strongly condemns` Israel for its attack on Iraq`s
nuclear facility``.
* Resolution 497: `` . . . `decides` that Israel`s annexation of Syria`s Golan
Heights is `null and void` and demands that Israel rescinds its decision forthwith``.
* Resolution 498: `` . . . `calls` on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon``.
* Resolution 501: `` . . . `calls` on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops``.
* Resolution 509: `` . . . `demands` that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon``.
* Resolution 515: `` . . . `demands` that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and
allow food supplies to be brought in``.
* Resolution 517: `` . . . `censures` Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions
and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon``.
* Resolution 518: `` . . . `demands` that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon``.
* Resolution 520: `` . . . `condemns` Israel`s attack into West Beirut``.
* Resolution 573: `` . . . `condemns` Israel `vigorously` for bombing Tunisia
in attack on PLO headquarters.
* Resolution 587: `` . . . `takes note` of previous calls on Israel to withdraw
its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw``.
* Resolution 592: `` . . . `strongly deplores` the killing of Palestinian students
at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops``.
* Resolution 605: `` . . . `strongly deplores` Israel`s policies and practices
denying the human rights of Palestinians.
* Resolution 607: `` . . . `calls` on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly
requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.
* Resolution 608: `` . . . `deeply regrets` that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians``.
* Resolution 636: `` . . . `deeply regrets` Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians.
* Resolution 641: `` . . . `deplores` Israel`s continuing deportation of Palestinians.
* Resolution 672: `` . . . `condemns` Israel for violence against Palestinians
at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount.
* Resolution 673: `` . . . `deplores` Israel`s refusal to cooperate with the United
Nations.
* Resolution 681: `` . . . `deplores` Israel`s resumption of the deportation of
Palestinians.
* Resolution 694: `` . . . `deplores` Israel`s deportation of Palestinians and
calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return.
* Resolution 726: `` . . . `strongly condemns` Israel`s deportation of Palestinians.
* Resolution 799: ``. . . `strongly condemns` Israel`s deportation of 413 Palestinians
and calls for there immediate return.

1993 to 1995:

UNGA Res 50/21 - The Middle East Peace Process (Dec 12, 1995)
UNGA Res 50/22 - The Situation in the Middle East (Dec 12, 1995)
UNGA Res 49/35 - Assistance to Palestinian Refugees (Jan 30 1995) l
UNGA Res 49/36 - Human Rights of Palestinian Refugees (Jan 30 1995)
UNGA Res 49/62 - Question of Palestine (Feb 3 1995)
UNGA Res 49/78 - Nuclear Proliferation in Mideast (Jan 11 1995)
UNGA Res 49/87 - Situation in the Middle East (Feb 7 1995)
UNGA Res 49/88 - The Middle East Peace Process (Feb 7 1995)
UNGA Res 49/149- Palestinian Right- Self-Determination (Feb 7 1995)
UNGA Res 48/213 - Assistance to Palestinian Refugees (Mar 15, 1994)
UNGA Res 48/40 - UNRWA for Palestinian Refugees (Dec 13, 1993)
UNGA Res 48/41 - Human Rights in the Territories (Dec 10 1993)
UNGA Res 48/58 - The Middle East Peace Process (Dec 14 1993)
UNGA Res 48/59 - The Situation in the Middle East (Dec 14 1993)
UNGA Res 48/71 - Nuclear-Weapon-Free Zone in Mideast (Dec 16 1993)
UNGA Res 48/78 - Israeli Nuclear Armanent (Dec 16 1993)
UNGA Res 48/94 - Self-Determination & Independence (Dec 20 1993)
UNGA Res 48/124- Non-interference in Elections (Dec 20 1993)
UNGA Res 48/158- Question of Palestine (Dec 20 1993)
UNGA Res 48/212- Repercussions of Israeli Settlements (Dec 21 1993)




Please note that this list only shows the resolutions against Israel until 1995. The list griows much larger if you include the resolutions passed between 1995-2005/6

#50
That`s unfair. We hate Arabs as well, we just love their petrodollars!

So ... basically what you are speaking off is prejudice against local Indian Muslims ... and not Arab Muslims who you Indians are fascinated by and in awe of? Is it because the Arabs are ``gora`` and fit with your Indo-germanic notions of superiority?

sadna, YLH agreed with something you said. Break out the champagne girl :)))

#34 mantolives

No, india is no heaven for ANYONE. I was once taken off a bus in rural assam and slapped because I was a ``bengali``. My relatives have been ethnically cleansed from J&K and have to flee from their homeland due to ``freedom struggle``. I have travelled in buses in north india where in previous weeks dozens of hindus (everyone without turban!) was ordered off and murdered by ``freedom fighters``.

Their are 1000s of indians, muslim, hindu, sikh, who have suffered extreme violence due to poor governance and law/order issues. They deserve better and every now and then we do seem to make progress.

But the truly depraved people are those who call only see the suffering of only one class of people. People who exalt muslim or palestinian suffering over every other form of suffering. People who are unwilling to see the difference between a dispute over territory VS. Pol Pot ideology or Nazis. Who reduce others to non-humans by being unwilling to retreat from rigid ideologies. You appear to be such a person.

#39, 40 sadna

I think you have summarized the situation well. The middle-east seems to be inhabited by extremism of all types. If there wasnt oil involved this region would be treated as the hell hole that it surely is....

#40 by sadna

vow sadna what did you eat this morning in the breakfast; I know it will pass soon so while I have the moment......let me address three points:

``1.anti-Muslim prejudice``

Extreme and acerbic anti-Muslim prejudice exists in various non-Muslim political entities. In the past decade or so, American and Western propaganda machinery has stocked the fires of hatered and brought them to new extremes. I don`t think it will go away, but it will intensify and become more blunt in near future.


``2.understanding the futility of dealing with Islamist groups whose ideology is not to get a political settlement but to wipe you out from the face of the earth. ``

This is balogne. Any terrorism, which is in fact a new euphemism for political violence only emerges because a political solution is either not offered or it is stifled. For example, take Kashmir, the violence is a direct result of a political and democratic demand of a plebicite to resolve the issue amicably and in a civilized manner. The political solution is denied and hence violence. A similar solution exists in Palestinian-Arab conflict where a general Arab population recognizes the Israel`s right to exist within the boundries of 1967. Those boundries were recognized by the United Nations but we see that Israel is not content on that and as this article suggests, occupies about 93% of the land. The 7% of land has two concentration camps called Gaza Strip and West Bank where Americans and Israelites run their slaughter houses. As a matter of fact thru Oslo agreement Palestinian even agreed to relent a bigger piece of land to Israels that goes beyond 1967 territories in return for peace. But as we can see that Israelis and their American religious nuts backers use these tactics of political negotiations only to mislead the world opinion and divert attention from their insatiable desire of expansionism. No political solution, hence violence.



3.repeated goofing up of Palestinian leadership for above reason.

I don`t think Palestinian leadership has goofed up. As the above point suggests that they are willing to make bigger sacrifices for peace but the dishonesty of Isrealis and their Western and American patrons get in the way. The proof of that is the 120+ Un resolutions against Israel by the world community that were summarily vetoed by Americans and Western countries. Briefly: No justice no peace.

#42
Quoting selectively is meaningless. Iraq is Muslim too and Indians have been overwhelmingly opposed to the US war and occupation there.

Re #44
Sadna..that’s just not ture.. Pakistanis do not hate all non-Muslims. We have very good diplomatic relations with North Korea and Cheen. Also with Namibia and Gabon. You should do your research before saying something.

And yes, Israel has perpetuated less violence than many Muslim countries have perpetuated on their people. Especially Pakistanis` tears are crocodile tears. Pakistanis hate nonMuslims it is as simple as that.

omigod...what just happened here?