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Sharon’s Legacy

Karamatullah K Ghori January 12, 2006

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#1 Posted by Kulharee on January 12, 2006 7:44:35 am
Yeah, if he was a Wahabi like the Janjaweed, we will never get to read this anti-Semitic essay. Did you know that Sudanese Arabs have killed and displaced more “Muslims” in the past one year alone than all of the Muslims killed/displaced by Israelis since 1948? Muslims needs to take the pole out of their ass and worry about how Muslims in their own lands are treated before worrying about Palestinians. You dont like Jews living in peace, at least let them die in peace. But that will be too much to expect from animals.
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#2 Posted by Saminasha on January 12, 2006 7:47:27 am
Indeed.

Would the writer care to comment on yet another grim irony; the scandal of Jack Abrahamson swindling two American Indian tribes that had managed to develop a lucrative business in order to fund arms for Zionist settlers (not peaceloving settlers) to use against Palestinians?

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#3 Posted by mohar11 on January 12, 2006 7:49:30 am
Another paki whining on behalf of palestianians......
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#4 Posted by kalihawa on January 12, 2006 7:51:38 am

``all the wars that Israel unleashed against its Arab neighbours and quarries``

I thought 1967 war was initiated by Arabs
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#5 Posted by Saminasha on January 12, 2006 7:51:59 am
re: 1 and 3

Excuse me. Have the decency to acknowledge the points made in this piece.
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#6 Posted by Saminasha on January 12, 2006 7:54:23 am
Y`all are just a shame to the Indian race...why can`t you be like Rahul Mahajan? He seems to have no problem cutting through the RAW-MOSSAD bs....
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#7 Posted by Kulharee on January 12, 2006 8:08:33 am
It’s a disgrace when an ex-Diplomat who is supposed to be “diplomatic” and a representative of the nation’s foreign policy writes a 3rd rated garbage such as this. Sharon is on deathbed, and instead of showing compassion and ways of reconciliation (even though there’s nothing to reconcile between Israel and Pakistan), this guy comes up with this garbage. It makes me embarrassed to be a Pakistani. I would be so happy when this Partition generation is all dead and rotten for they are responsible for keeping the country in dark ages.
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#8 Posted by mohar11 on January 12, 2006 8:38:22 am
samina

Who is Rahul Mahajan?

Anyway - regarding the ``points`` made in this article - well, it`s the same-old tired propaganda re-gurgitated by arabs and wannabe-arabs since ages.....Volumes have already been written/spoken on this.....

Why are pakis so worked-up about the palis anyway? Let them sort their affairs with the jews.....
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#9 Posted by khamkhwa. on January 12, 2006 8:39:45 am
kulli...
... he claims to be a poet too...fear from the day when he starts punishing you and other nay sayers with his urdu ghazals...;)
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#10 Posted by Saminasha on January 12, 2006 8:41:16 am
re: 7

Explain the logic behind this peculiar argument. Thank you.
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#11 Posted by Kulharee on January 12, 2006 9:00:01 am
Samina, I say it as I see it. This is supposed to be a place where supposedly grownups come and contribute. My comments are self-explanatory. If you still need explanation, let me say it in simple words. This essay sucks big time, especially when written by someone who represented Pakistan as an Ambassador in other countries. An ambassador never “retires”. Political commentary of such a sensitive nature is not something that these retired FOs should be involved in. Doing so shows how high up anti-Semitism and anti-Israelism runs in Paki society. We all know that to be true, but let’s keep it in the country to sell it to the illiterate and ignorant masses there. There are lots of smart Pakistanis overseas (and a few in Pakistan) who can see thru this garbage.
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#12 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on January 12, 2006 9:01:22 am
{``His background doesn’t differ too much from Saddam Hussain’s who was, likewise, hired as a youthful assassin by the Baathist Party. But look at how vastly differently the two are being treated at the bar of western politics and justice: one is being acclaimed as a hero and statesman while the other is being tried as a condemned pariah and villain.``}

Ghori Sahib,
I am glad that a Chauhan finally gets to engage in a dialogue with a Ghori. :) ``Why can`t we all get along?``

Sir,
I don`t think that the comparison is all that sensible. I agree that both joined terrorist groups in their youth and that both supervised the massacre of thousands of people. The key difference was that Sharon killed Palestinians while Sadman Houston butchered Shia Arabs and Sunni Kurds. Now, the perception of one as a hero and statesman and the other as a pariah and a villain is due mostly to the western press and its own agenda. Even Menachem Begin, the former Irgun terrorist, was a statesman to the one-sided western press.

I agree with Kulharee Bhai in his statement about the Sudan. Yes, Palestinians are the victims and have suffered terribly. I think that they have been usesd as pawns by their Arab brethren to foster various causes - pan-Arab, socialist, Baathist, Monarchist, and Islamist. Thanks for an interesting, timely, and informative article.
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#13 Posted by Saminasha on January 12, 2006 9:08:09 am
re: 11

There is a difference between being critical of Zionist policy and being an anti semite. Please do not confuse the two.
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#14 Posted by Kulharee on January 12, 2006 9:12:28 am
Samina, you are naive to the extreme. Did you ``understand`` the subtle references in his garbage, such as “Berlin Wall”? Obviously not.
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#15 Posted by Saminasha on January 12, 2006 9:20:19 am
re: 14

Again, it is incumbent on you to make the argument of why something is what you say it is. Otherwise, you are wasting time and playing games.
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#16 Posted by kaurasach on January 12, 2006 9:32:43 am
This article is by a muslim for the muslims.....an impotent tirade against someone who spanked the combined Arab power despite hands tied by the fifth colunm, liberals, anti semites, politics, etc......


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#17 Posted by Urstruly on January 12, 2006 10:05:06 am


I think Sharon is being punished with coma, by God, for dividing holy land and His people.
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#18 Posted by masadi on January 12, 2006 10:47:48 am
The Israel/Palestine problem is not complicated: we have an occupying power (Israel) and an occupied people (Palestinians), and a huge disparity of power and control between the two, all within the context of International Law, and the UN which has already decided upon the solution (see http://israel.rationalreality.com). If the occupying power desires peace, it can be readily achieved, given its dominant position. So why has peace not become a reality in almost half a century?

In the 1950s C. Wright Mills wrote about the Military Metaphysic- the military definition of reality deeply espoused by the US elite. Why the Israel/Palestine problem will not get resolved and has not been solved so far can be understood, in my opinion, in light of what Mills wrote:

``The expectation of war solves many problems of the ’crackpot realists’; it also confronts them with many new problems. Yet these, the problems of war, often seem easier (for them) to handle, (compared) to political policies that are distasteful to many politicians...The terms of their long term solutions, under conditions of peace, are hard for the capitalist elite to face.`` (Page, 87, Causes of World War III)

What is distasteful to the US and Israeli elite, is peace in the Middle East, and the resulting effect that might have on regional development in the Arab world and US hegemony in a resource rich region. In their uneasy alliance with corporations, whose leadership positions they normally hold when they are not posing as politicians, the Neo-Cons in the US (Israel’s strong supporters) have found dual fulfillment of purpose. The terms of the ``long term solution`` to the ``Palestinian problem`` are what they do not want to face. If that can be avoided, any ``practical problems`` that a new war or a new Intifadah might bring are easier for them to handle. In all such alliances to further power and wealth, human suffering and misery become at best, background noise justified by moral symbols, unconnected events (like the holocaust), media distractions, and stage management. The US and Israel together (and not only Israel), are to blame for the lack of peace and development in the Arab world.

I do not think that peace in the Middle East will ever become a reality as long as US hegemony in the current world system continues to exist. Even if (in an imaginary scenario) the Palestinians voluntarily leave the West Bank and Gaza and hand it over to Israel on a silver platter, Israel will invent a new war in that region, in tune with the desires of the US elite. There will still be no peace.

For example, let`s get a quick history lesson: tolerance is not nurtured or revealed by driving out 700,000 inhabitants from thier land as the Israeli`s did by force of arms in 1948, when they had numerical superiority in the battlefield contrary to the mythological picture of a tiny Israel confronting the Arab Goliath, or by attacking Egypt as they did in 1956 or by preemptively attacking the Arabs in 1967 or by destroying Iraq`s nuclear reactor in 1981 or by invading Lebanon as they did in 1982 or by pushing for the Iraq war like they did in 1991 and 2003 or by imprisoning the occupied Palestinians in a maze of walls and checkpoints like they have been since 1967; over 60% of the Palestinians in the occupied territories live in extreme poverty directly caused by Israeli action, according to all major human rights organizations including Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International etc.

Peace is possible only if the current world system with its structure of power and manipulation is altered to one that places humanity and its well being before wealth, resources and profits. Peace, working within the current system, dominated by the US power elite, is impossible to achieve. History bears witness to the fact that regardless of the face or political label of the person in power, or the terminology used for the various ``peace plans``, there has been no peace in Palestine and no end to the Israeli occupation.

That said, Kulharee is talking nonsense. He is justifying the imprisonment of millions of Palestinians in the world`s larges country wide prisons, Gaza and the West Bank where over 60% of the population lives in poverty directly as a result of the crimes of people like Sharon, who by the way was implicated for the Sabra and Shatila massacre of civilians; The Israeli Government`s appointed Kahane Commission (February 8, 1983) stated, ``We have found, as has been detailed in this report, that the Minister of Defense (Ariel Sharon) bears personal responsibility.``


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#19 Posted by arjun_m on January 12, 2006 12:13:33 pm
#17 by Urstruly on January 12, 2006 10:05am PT


I think Sharon is being punished with coma, by God, for dividing holy land and His people.


He`s 77 and 350+ pounds...The fact that he`s lived this long would suggest g_d kept him alive to do what he`s doing....
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#20 Posted by Urstruly on January 12, 2006 12:30:08 pm

#19 by arjun_m

I suggest that you reconsider because the statement in my post is not mine it is your pitaji Pandit Pat Robertson`s statement. In other words, Shri Pat is saying that since Sharon had stopped doing what he is good at, like butchering helpless people, therefore God has punished him with coma.

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#21 Posted by Kulharee on January 12, 2006 12:44:57 pm
Yeah God is busy lately, he stampeded some 350 Hajis today in Mekka. I heard that Jews didn’t show up for work.
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#22 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on January 12, 2006 12:47:16 pm
#19, arjun {``He`s 77 and 350+ pounds...The fact that he`s lived this long would suggest g_d kept him alive to do what he`s doing.... ``}

Oh Yeah!
The professore lavatore from Bronx is almost 50 and 200+ pounds. Just give her time - she will outweigh Sharon pretty soon.
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#23 Posted by faisaluno on January 12, 2006 1:00:09 pm

excellent analysis. having said, that i think muslims spend far too much time doing matum over the antics over people like sharon and his sugar daddy: bush. these two were not the first non-muslims to take advantage of muslim impotence and in-fighting and they wont be the last. if us muslims want to be masters of our own destiny as our forefathers were for most of islamic history, we will have to put our own house in order. begging non-muslims to show compassion wont get us anywhere cause that’s not the way world works. plus its allah kee shan may gustakhi to do bheek mangna besides being a sorry and a pathetic spectacle.

to put our own house in order, we must do the following:

i. devise ways of providing justice to awam. a content ummah is the base needed for security and indeed for everything else. note: justice does not mean equality.

ii. direct our energies to build economic strength. this is important to provide a dignified living to muslims. also is a pre-requisite for military strength because deterrence is the best defense

iii. cooperate cause as the cliché goes chain is strongest as the weakest link.

there you have it.
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#24 Posted by arjun_m on January 12, 2006 5:27:50 pm

The wholesale terror that the Israelis and their Lebanese protégés, the Phalange, unleashed on hapless Palestinians made Sharon a hate-figure forever for the Arabs in particular, and Muslims in general.


And yet the paki army gets a pass for killing a whole lot more muslims....
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#25 Posted by arjun_m on January 12, 2006 5:41:38 pm
#20 by Urstruly on January 12, 2006 12:30pm PT


since Sharon had stopped doing what he is good at, like butchering helpless people


Sharon stopped killing muslim women and children using helicopter gunships and fighters?

damn..he must be really sick.....

It must be no consolation that the killing of the helpless people is being done using your tax monies...Your ISP probably charges you a tax, part of which is used in this killing...

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#26 Posted by Kulharee on January 12, 2006 5:45:17 pm
Arjun… Excellent point. That’s the beauty of having one’s head firmly placed inside one’s Islamabad. I sometimes wonder, how are they even able to see anything?
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#27 Posted by pmishra2 on January 12, 2006 6:23:47 pm
Palestinians are lucky to live in a civilized country like Israel. Just imagine what would happen if they had lived in an arab country and had a dispute over land and nationalism?

Not even a single one would be alive today. They would be dealt with like the pakis dealt with the bangladeshis (1M+ dead) or the darfur situation (200,000 dead and its not over).

Let us not fool each other with long words borrowed from western liberals. The reason people like Sharon became prominent in israel is the violence visited on the country. Minus that other figures would have ridden to prominence. That is how democratic countries work. But thats hard to understand for most people with no experience of democratic life.
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#28 Posted by Ranjit on January 12, 2006 11:10:48 pm

As an Indian I have conflicted feelings about the whole Israeli-Palestinian conflict. On one hand, I sympathise with the Israelis for being the victims of jihadi violence, just as we Indians are. I admire the Israelis for their accomplishments, their ruthless tactics, their fierce response to terror and their ability to take on the entire muslim world.

At the same time, ideologically I am on the side of the Palestinians. The Palestinians have always called for a secular state while Israelis want a religious state for jews. In that sense, Israel`s basic ideology is no different from Two Nation Theory, except that Israel has actually made it work and is a true homeland for jews. If I support Israel`s ideology, I cannot oppose Pakistan on the basis of TNT.

Also, the Palestinian people have truly been wronged. They were thrown out of their homes and lands for no fault of theirs except for ethnicity/religion, they have very little to call their own and they are not accepted as equal citizens. They have lost international support mainly because of their embrace of absurd suicidal tactics.
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#29 Posted by theedge on January 12, 2006 11:56:06 pm
And what drama he created by actually POSING that televised pull-out! All that wailing and abusing by the settlers was all posed for the western media.
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#30 Posted by MantoLives on January 13, 2006 1:40:48 am
``Palestinians are lucky to live in a civilized country like Israel.``

Yup... they could`ve been living in India!

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#31 Posted by GT on January 13, 2006 6:33:59 am

The PLO and Israel were at war and war leads to pain and death. However, there are certain international rules of engagements. If these are violated, charges of `war crimes` can be laid. For example, such charges have been laid on various `netas` of erstwhile Yugoslovia. Sharon`s crimes in Sabra and Shatilla make him (at the least) a `war criminal`. I hope the guy does not die.....I hope he is tried first by an international court (as mentioned in the article he has already been mildly convicted by an Israeli court).

Israel today is sharply divided. Many Israelis would have no problem with this article, their views would be congruent. Equally many would have orthogonal views. What is interesting is the growing number of zionist supporters in the sub-continent, more in India than in Pakistan. I believe it is because of youth. Today, the misery of the Palestinians is no longer news, their secular movement is no longer in focus, their misery as refugees (in Arab countries) is hardly mentioned, individual Palestinian successes inspite of adverse situations in academia, business etc. are not highlighted. The corrupt and clueless Palestinian leadership is also to blame (I do not mention Arab leadership because these are nincompoops anyways). Finally, the present Indian govt.`s lukewarm relationship with Palestine saddens me.
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#32 Posted by pmishra2 on January 13, 2006 6:37:05 am
#30 Mantolives

Yup, you are absolutely correct. Certainly, had palestinians been living in india, they would have been treated much better than:


(1) Turks have treated armenians and kurds
(2) Saddam treated Shia and Kurdish sub-nations
(3) Pakistan`s violence and mass murder against bengalis
(4) Saudi discrimination and suppression of indigenous shia`s

You think your comments are funny, actually they reflect a sad reality.

Israel is no heaven, sharon was an opportunist who did well during a long crisis period, BUT palestinians would have treated MUCH worse in an arab or other authoritarian muslim nation.
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#33 Posted by Kulharee on January 13, 2006 6:48:31 am
Re: # 31

>>>Finally, the present Indian govt.`s lukewarm relationship with Palestine saddens me.<<<

GT, and you are?

Do you think that Tikka Khan and Pak Army should also be tried for war crimes? They killed some 1000 times more Muslims than Sharon is accused of? How about Zia for killing thousands of Palestinians (again more than Sharon)? I wonder what the Author of this piece has to say about the butchery of Pak Army? I can bet you, nothing!
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#34 Posted by MantoLives on January 13, 2006 7:01:03 am
Dear P-Mishra

I don`t give a damn about other Muslim countries... but about Bangladesh... have you had the opportunity of reading Sarmilla Bose`s research which suggests that violence was on both sides in the Bangladesh war? I am not absolving that parasite we call Pakistan Army of its brutish treatment of the then Pakistani citizens but lets not go over board.

As for other comparisons... do you promise that India would treat Palestinians better than it treated these proud Indian Muslims:

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#35 Posted by jang on January 13, 2006 7:23:12 am
#34 i believe sharmilla bose gave a statement that her comments were being misinterpreted and misused. i am sure more able googlers can find her press-release in that regard.
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#36 Posted by KaalChakra on January 13, 2006 7:26:52 am
GT

Except in relation to a close circle of kith and kin, support and opposition to others is offered based on certain basic principles, including self-interest. Many people have changed their position vis a vis the Israel-Palestinian conflict because the principles implicated in the conflict have changed completely.
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#37 Posted by arjun_m on January 13, 2006 7:28:22 am
#35 by jang on January 13, 2006 7:23am PT


#34 i believe sharmilla bose gave a statement that her comments were being misinterpreted


Sure she did...and manto knows it too...
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#38 Posted by MantoLives on January 13, 2006 7:36:24 am

Jang and Arjunm

Nice try ....

The statement she gave was not that her work was misinterpreted but that to conclude that Pakistan Army was completely blameless was wrong. No one claims that the Pakistan army was blameless...

She maintains that violence was on both sides... her work says it clearly.

This is what ``Googlers`` do- don`t you...
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#39 Posted by sadna on January 13, 2006 7:45:55 am

They are all SOBs on this issue without exception- Israelis, Palestinians, assorted other Arabs, the US, the British, evangelist Christian Americans and Iranians like Ahmednijad. The death or life of any one player doesn`t change the essential SOB nature and intent of the entire boiling. A holy land has been cursed to be holy to so many people - the more holy it has been considered, the more it has been subject to ruinous policy and indiscriminate violence by all parties.
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#40 Posted by sadna on January 13, 2006 7:53:01 am
And I think any Indian sympathy for Israel comes from
1.anti-Muslim prejudice
2.understanding the futility of dealing with Islamist groups whose ideology is not to get a political settlement but to wipe you out from the face of the earth.
3.repeated goofing up of Palestinian leadership for above reason.
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#41 Posted by jang on January 13, 2006 7:59:29 am
biggest loss is to bush administration, sharon held a cabinate position of secratary for middle-east affairs in it.
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#42 Posted by MantoLives on January 13, 2006 8:02:17 am
Sadna...

``And I think any Indian sympathy for Israel comes from
1.anti-Muslim prejudice``

Well said.
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#43 Posted by Saminasha on January 13, 2006 8:06:25 am
omigod...what just happened here?
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#44 Posted by sadna on January 13, 2006 8:06:41 am
And yes, Israel has perpetuated less violence than many Muslim countries have perpetuated on their people. Especially Pakistanis` tears are crocodile tears. Pakistanis hate nonMuslims it is as simple as that.
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#45 Posted by Kulharee on January 13, 2006 8:12:33 am
Re #44
Sadna..that’s just not ture.. Pakistanis do not hate all non-Muslims. We have very good diplomatic relations with North Korea and Cheen. Also with Namibia and Gabon. You should do your research before saying something.
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#46 Posted by sadna on January 13, 2006 8:16:54 am

#42
Quoting selectively is meaningless. Iraq is Muslim too and Indians have been overwhelmingly opposed to the US war and occupation there.
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#47 Posted by Urstruly on January 13, 2006 8:22:16 am

#40 by sadna

vow sadna what did you eat this morning in the breakfast; I know it will pass soon so while I have the moment......let me address three points:

``1.anti-Muslim prejudice``

Extreme and acerbic anti-Muslim prejudice exists in various non-Muslim political entities. In the past decade or so, American and Western propaganda machinery has stocked the fires of hatered and brought them to new extremes. I don`t think it will go away, but it will intensify and become more blunt in near future.


``2.understanding the futility of dealing with Islamist groups whose ideology is not to get a political settlement but to wipe you out from the face of the earth. ``

This is balogne. Any terrorism, which is in fact a new euphemism for political violence only emerges because a political solution is either not offered or it is stifled. For example, take Kashmir, the violence is a direct result of a political and democratic demand of a plebicite to resolve the issue amicably and in a civilized manner. The political solution is denied and hence violence. A similar solution exists in Palestinian-Arab conflict where a general Arab population recognizes the Israel`s right to exist within the boundries of 1967. Those boundries were recognized by the United Nations but we see that Israel is not content on that and as this article suggests, occupies about 93% of the land. The 7% of land has two concentration camps called Gaza Strip and West Bank where Americans and Israelites run their slaughter houses. As a matter of fact thru Oslo agreement Palestinian even agreed to relent a bigger piece of land to Israels that goes beyond 1967 territories in return for peace. But as we can see that Israelis and their American religious nuts backers use these tactics of political negotiations only to mislead the world opinion and divert attention from their insatiable desire of expansionism. No political solution, hence violence.



3.repeated goofing up of Palestinian leadership for above reason.

I don`t think Palestinian leadership has goofed up. As the above point suggests that they are willing to make bigger sacrifices for peace but the dishonesty of Isrealis and their Western and American patrons get in the way. The proof of that is the 120+ Un resolutions against Israel by the world community that were summarily vetoed by Americans and Western countries. Briefly: No justice no peace.
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#48 Posted by pmishra2 on January 13, 2006 8:24:34 am
#34 mantolives

No, india is no heaven for ANYONE. I was once taken off a bus in rural assam and slapped because I was a ``bengali``. My relatives have been ethnically cleansed from J&K and have to flee from their homeland due to ``freedom struggle``. I have travelled in buses in north india where in previous weeks dozens of hindus (everyone without turban!) was ordered off and murdered by ``freedom fighters``.

Their are 1000s of indians, muslim, hindu, sikh, who have suffered extreme violence due to poor governance and law/order issues. They deserve better and every now and then we do seem to make progress.

But the truly depraved people are those who call only see the suffering of only one class of people. People who exalt muslim or palestinian suffering over every other form of suffering. People who are unwilling to see the difference between a dispute over territory VS. Pol Pot ideology or Nazis. Who reduce others to non-humans by being unwilling to retreat from rigid ideologies. You appear to be such a person.

#39, 40 sadna

I think you have summarized the situation well. The middle-east seems to be inhabited by extremism of all types. If there wasnt oil involved this region would be treated as the hell hole that it surely is....
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#49 Posted by burpinder on January 13, 2006 8:26:19 am
sadna, YLH agreed with something you said. Break out the champagne girl :)))
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#50 Posted by MantoLives on January 13, 2006 8:27:32 am

So ... basically what you are speaking off is prejudice against local Indian Muslims ... and not Arab Muslims who you Indians are fascinated by and in awe of? Is it because the Arabs are ``gora`` and fit with your Indo-germanic notions of superiority?

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#51 Posted by burpinder on January 13, 2006 8:29:26 am
#50
That`s unfair. We hate Arabs as well, we just love their petrodollars!
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#52 Posted by Urstruly on January 13, 2006 8:41:21 am
Further to # 47

As a matter of fact, Israel is the ONLY nation in the whole wide world that has been condemned by world community that it makes a Guiness Book world record. So despite that if an individual thinks that somehow situtaion in Palestine is Palestinian and Arab fault then it is pure anti-Muslim bias and hatered:

http://teach.valdosta.edu/modelun/Resolutions_Against_Isreal.htm


The UN Resolutions against Israel:

1955-1992:


* Resolution 106: `` . . . `condemns` Israel for Gaza raid``.
* Resolution 111: `` . . . `condemns` Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people``.
* Resolution 127: `` . . . `recommends` Israel suspends it`s `no-man`s zone` in Jerusalem``.
* Resolution 162: `` . . . `urges` Israel to comply with UN decisions``.
* Resolution 171: `` . . . determines flagrant violations` by Israel in its attack on Syria``.
* Resolution 228: `` . . . `censures` Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control``.
* Resolution 237: `` . . . `urges` Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees``.
* Resolution 248: `` . . . `condemns` Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan``.
* Resolution 250: `` . . . `calls` on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem``.
* Resolution 251: `` . . . `deeply deplores` Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250``.
* Resolution 252: `` . . . `declares invalid` Israel`s acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital``.
* Resolution 256: `` . . . `condemns` Israeli raids on Jordan as `flagrant violation``.
* Resolution 259: `` . . . `deplores` Israel`s refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation``.
* Resolution 262: `` . . . `condemns` Israel for attack on Beirut airport``.
* Resolution 265: `` . . . `condemns` Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan``.
* Resolution 267: `` . . . `censures` Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem``.
*Resolution 270: `` . . . `condemns` Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon``.
* Resolution 271: `` . . . `condemns` Israel`s failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem``.
* Resolution 279: `` . . . `demands` withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon``.
* Resolution 280: `` . . . `condemns` Israeli`s attacks against Lebanon``.
* Resolution 285: `` . . . `demands` immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon``.
* Resolution 298: `` . . . `deplores` Israel`s changing of the status of Jerusalem``.
* Resolution 313: `` . . . `demands` that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon``.
* Resolution 316: `` . . . `condemns` Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon``.
* Resolution 317: `` . . . `deplores` Israel`s refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon``.
* Resolution 332: `` . . . `condemns` Israel`s repeated attacks against Lebanon``.
* Resolution 337: `` . . . `condemns` Israel for violating Lebanon`s sovereignty``.
* Resolution 347: `` . . . `condemns` Israeli attacks on Lebanon``.
* Resolution 425: `` . . . `calls` on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon``.
* Resolution 427: `` . . . `calls` on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon.
* Resolution 444: `` . . . `deplores` Israel`s lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces``.
* Resolution 446: `` . . . `determines` that Israeli settlements are a `serious
obstruction` to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention``.
* Resolution 450: `` . . . `calls` on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon``.
* Resolution 452: `` . . . `calls` on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories``.
* Resolution 465: `` . . . `deplores` Israel`s settlements and asks all member
states not to assist Israel`s settlements program``.
* Resolution 467: `` . . . `strongly deplores` Israel`s military intervention in Lebanon``.
* Resolution 468: `` . . . `calls` on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of
two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return``.
* Resolution 469: `` . . . `strongly deplores` Israel`s failure to observe the
council`s order not to deport Palestinians``.
* Resolution 471: `` . . . `expresses deep concern` at Israel`s failure to abide
by the Fourth Geneva Convention``.
* Resolution 476: `` . . . `reiterates` that Israel`s claim to Jerusalem are `null and void```.
* Resolution 478: `` . . . `censures (Israel) in the strongest terms` for its
claim to Jerusalem in its `Basic Law```.
* Resolution 484: `` . . . `declares it imperative` that Israel re-admit two deported
Palestinian mayors``.
* Resolution 487: `` . . . `strongly condemns` Israel for its attack on Iraq`s
nuclear facility``.
* Resolution 497: `` . . . `decides` that Israel`s annexation of Syria`s Golan
Heights is `null and void` and demands that Israel rescinds its decision forthwith``.
* Resolution 498: `` . . . `calls` on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon``.
* Resolution 501: `` . . . `calls` on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops``.
* Resolution 509: `` . . . `demands` that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon``.
* Resolution 515: `` . . . `demands` that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and
allow food supplies to be brought in``.
* Resolution 517: `` . . . `censures` Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions
and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon``.
* Resolution 518: `` . . . `demands` that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon``.
* Resolution 520: `` . . . `condemns` Israel`s attack into West Beirut``.
* Resolution 573: `` . . . `condemns` Israel `vigorously` for bombing Tunisia
in attack on PLO headquarters.
* Resolution 587: `` . . . `takes note` of previous calls on Israel to withdraw
its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw``.
* Resolution 592: `` . . . `strongly deplores` the killing of Palestinian students
at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops``.
* Resolution 605: `` . . . `strongly deplores` Israel`s policies and practices
denying the human rights of Palestinians.
* Resolution 607: `` . . . `calls` on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly
requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.
* Resolution 608: `` . . . `deeply regrets` that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians``.
* Resolution 636: `` . . . `deeply regrets` Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians.
* Resolution 641: `` . . . `deplores` Israel`s continuing deportation of Palestinians.
* Resolution 672: `` . . . `condemns` Israel for violence against Palestinians
at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount.
* Resolution 673: `` . . . `deplores` Israel`s refusal to cooperate with the United
Nations.
* Resolution 681: `` . . . `deplores` Israel`s resumption of the deportation of
Palestinians.
* Resolution 694: `` . . . `deplores` Israel`s deportation of Palestinians and
calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return.
* Resolution 726: `` . . . `strongly condemns` Israel`s deportation of Palestinians.
* Resolution 799: ``. . . `strongly condemns` Israel`s deportation of 413 Palestinians
and calls for there immediate return.

1993 to 1995:

UNGA Res 50/21 - The Middle East Peace Process (Dec 12, 1995)
UNGA Res 50/22 - The Situation in the Middle East (Dec 12, 1995)
UNGA Res 49/35 - Assistance to Palestinian Refugees (Jan 30 1995) l
UNGA Res 49/36 - Human Rights of Palestinian Refugees (Jan 30 1995)
UNGA Res 49/62 - Question of Palestine (Feb 3 1995)
UNGA Res 49/78 - Nuclear Proliferation in Mideast (Jan 11 1995)
UNGA Res 49/87 - Situation in the Middle East (Feb 7 1995)
UNGA Res 49/88 - The Middle East Peace Process (Feb 7 1995)
UNGA Res 49/149- Palestinian Right- Self-Determination (Feb 7 1995)
UNGA Res 48/213 - Assistance to Palestinian Refugees (Mar 15, 1994)
UNGA Res 48/40 - UNRWA for Palestinian Refugees (Dec 13, 1993)
UNGA Res 48/41 - Human Rights in the Territories (Dec 10 1993)
UNGA Res 48/58 - The Middle East Peace Process (Dec 14 1993)
UNGA Res 48/59 - The Situation in the Middle East (Dec 14 1993)
UNGA Res 48/71 - Nuclear-Weapon-Free Zone in Mideast (Dec 16 1993)
UNGA Res 48/78 - Israeli Nuclear Armanent (Dec 16 1993)
UNGA Res 48/94 - Self-Determination & Independence (Dec 20 1993)
UNGA Res 48/124- Non-interference in Elections (Dec 20 1993)
UNGA Res 48/158- Question of Palestine (Dec 20 1993)
UNGA Res 48/212- Repercussions of Israeli Settlements (Dec 21 1993)




Please note that this list only shows the resolutions against Israel until 1995. The list griows much larger if you include the resolutions passed between 1995-2005/6
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#53 Posted by MantoLives on January 13, 2006 8:43:04 am
P-Mishra,

Sir I absolutely agree with you...

And just for that one must revisit the case of Graham Stainnes and his two sons... who were burnt alive by Hindu extremists in a most brutish fashion.

Why?

They were Australian Christians in India.

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#54 Posted by Kulharee on January 13, 2006 8:45:10 am
Haha… Israel is a real source of keeping Pakis busy. That’s not a bad thing.

Can someone post some stats on how many Muslims have been killed/Displaced by Muslims?
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#55 Posted by pmishra2 on January 13, 2006 9:13:03 am
#53 Mantolives

Really, you agree with me? Yet you are ONLY interested in crimes in india that fit your sectarian agenda? what kind of clown are you?

If you had any real interest in reducing crime and violence in india, you would manifest it very differently. As I said, it takes a special kind of ultra-sick person who exalts suffering of one class of people over other people. You seem to be such a person.


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#56 Posted by arjun_m on January 13, 2006 9:16:55 am
#52 by Urstruly on January 13, 2006 8:41am PT


As a matter of fact, Israel is the ONLY nation in the whole wide world that has been condemned by world community that it makes a Guiness Book world record.


And they couldn`t have done it without you and your tax $$...and for that, i`m sure, they`re eternally grateful...
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#57 Posted by arjun_m on January 13, 2006 9:20:07 am
#38 by Mantolives on January 13, 2006 7:36am PT


No one claims that the Pakistan army was blameless...


So Sarmila Bose`s research notwithstanding, the point still stands..The Pakistani army has killed 10 times as many muslims as have died in India..a crime for which no paki army officer has been prosecuted...
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#58 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on January 13, 2006 9:24:30 am
#54, Kulharee {``Can someone post some stats on how many Muslims have been killed/Displaced by Muslims? ``}

Kulharee Payee,
Not that many. I knew this one Bihari Muslim dude who was displaced from his house by this Pathan dude for not paying his debt on time. OK, there was this Lahori lady in Karachi who was kicked out by the MQM goonDas from her rented house in Golimar for emulating Hira Mandi in a residential area. That`s the extent of it.
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#59 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on January 13, 2006 9:27:20 am
#49, Burpy Under {``sadna, YLH agreed with something you said. Break out the champagne girl :)))

Burpy Under,
It`s not nice to abuse Sadna like that. You are being condescending and sexually harassing when you refer to her as a ``champagne girl.`` Please apologize to the nice lady.
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#60 Posted by sadna on January 13, 2006 9:53:39 am

#50
There is no point in asking the weakminded to ponder whether my listing anti-Muslim prejudice necessarily implies that I subscribe to such prejudice.

And no it has nothing to do with the color of Arab skin(unlike the case in Pakistan). Indians are primarily anti-colonial in impulse and suspicious of violations of sovereignty. Iraq`s sovereignty has been gratituously violated and Indians are strongly opposed to that across religious lines. The Palestinians still get Indian sympathy for similar reasons.

But as distinct from people being dispossessed and demanding their rights are people self-professedly pursing `Islamic` causes, who have begun to be associated with a certain obduracy with or without good reason. One simple example was that Hindu organizations involved in Ram temple had, in negotiations prior to the demolition offered to shift the Babri Masjid brick by brick and build it up a few miles away. Muslim organizations involved in those negotiations refused. Subsequently the situation went from being negotiable to being one of battling for supremacy -in other words, totally intractable for any multi-religious society. A prolonged exposure to Pakistani jihad has also given Indians a taste of its ideology of total victory at any cost. So now when those self-professedly espousing an `Islamic` cause say they are looking for ``compromise``, they have little public credibility.

But I believe the Arabs themselves now see the Palestinian issue in less black and white terms than Pakistanis do.
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#61 Posted by GT on January 13, 2006 10:02:29 am
#33 Kulharee,

This article is about Sharon and Palestinians (not necessarily Muslims). My comment was on `war crimes`, something where a broad consensus is possible.

As far as Tikka Khan, Zia, Rajiv Gandhi, IGP Gill etc. are concerned, I am sure we will have more to say about them over time here in chowk. I remember talking about Modi in some other board.

#36 kaal.

I agree with you in general. However, I think many Indians and Pakistanis are making their decisions based on scarce or one sided information. Think of it for a moment...the TV picture of a Palestinian is either a wailing mother or a gun weilding gentleman with a hood. A clear association is then induced on people who do not have time to reflect: Palestinian is equivalent to a terrorist. My reading of history and my interaction with both Israelis and Palestinians do not allow me to make that association. My personal experience induces a feeling of awe when I see a young Palestinian throwing a stone at an Israeli tank. I cannot forget the face of the father sheilding his child from Israeli army bullets, both dying in the process. I am amazed at the life of a very prominent academic in my field of work. I cannot associate with the bombastic Hamas. I associate with Israelis refusing to join the army, or Israeli armymen refusing to bulldoze houses in Gaza. I associate with my Israeli colleagues, with pro or anti Sharon stands, with whom I can have a dialogue and who do not distort or colour the past based on their respective points of view. I believe that it is this last fact which will bring about a solution to the conflict much before `we` have peace in Kashmir.
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#62 Posted by jang on January 13, 2006 10:53:04 am
indian state support for palestinian people has been concrete, palestinians were offered scholarships in every acedemic inst. including the IITs. What did pakistan state do for them except bomb them?

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#63 Posted by bongdongs on January 13, 2006 11:19:12 am
Younger people may not remember but Arafat was always treated like a head of state when he visited Indian. He got a place of prominence at NAM meetings and there was alwyas a lot of hugging-shugging and declaration of mutual love and affection between Arafat and Indira G*ndhi.

All this when the western world considered Arafat a terrorist.

What did India get out of it: Zilch, Nada

(btw: why is G*ndhi an objectionable word?)
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#64 Posted by bongdongs on January 13, 2006 11:21:01 am
One day of Indian common sense cooperation with Israeli`s does more to enhance safety and security for common Indians than a decade of kissing-hugging of the Palestinians.
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#65 Posted by arjun_m on January 13, 2006 11:30:43 am
maulana urstruly(or S Mohammad of Dearborn, MI..sadeq?)..you`ll be glad to know that your tax $$ are being put to good use..to kill terrorists where the terrorists are so we don`t have to fight them here..

US missiles blamed for 18 deaths on Pakistan border

By Zeeshan Haider

ISLAMABAD, Jan 13 (Reuters) - A Pakistani security official and residents of a border region said U.S. aircraft from Afghanistan killed 18 people, including women and children, when they fired missiles at pro-Taliban Islamists early on Friday. Pakistani military spokesman Major-General Shaukat Sultan said up to 14 people had been killed in several blasts in the Bajaur tribal region but said he did not know the cause.

The blasts came days after Pakistan, a key ally in the U.S.-led war on terrorism, lodged a strong protest with U.S.-led forces in Afghanistan, saying cross-border firing in the nearby Waziristan area last weekend killed eight people.

Residents of Bajaur, opposite Afghanistan`s insurgent-troubled Kunar province, said the explosions were caused by firing from unidentified aircraft on the village of Damadola at about 3 a.m. (2200 GMT Thursday).
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#66 Posted by mohar11 on January 13, 2006 12:19:31 pm
jang
[...What did pakistan state do for them[palestinians] except bomb them? ...]

Good question... any answers from the paki brigrade here? ..... not that I really care much on what happens to the palis and arabs.... just curious!!

There used to be a bunch of palis infesting my college [REC] every year - few of them ever complete the course in time [ 4 years]..... most of them just stay on for 8 years and get an NFTE [not fit for technical education] certificate.... a veritable bunch of l00sers..... but they all used to have a lot of money.....
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#67 Posted by nasah on January 13, 2006 2:35:27 pm
kee meray qatle kay baad usne jafa say toba -- after devastating the Paslestinian land and humiliating and tearing apart the Palestinian psyche to smitherines -- the man would have liked to have died as the peace maker -- perhaps he finally became aware of that cruel HOLE in his HEART...

but guess Israeli God wanted him to continue to pillage, destroy and massacre the occupied men women and children of Palestine.......hence He turned the ferocious Lion into a harmless vegetable overnight -- after warning him first...

.......another take from Reverend Nasah.
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#68 Posted by nasah on January 13, 2006 5:29:51 pm
now I don`t think that Reverend Nasah is going to aplogize to Omri beta....
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#69 Posted by r.a.janjua on January 13, 2006 9:19:52 pm
``Sharon has been lauded and eulogized by his fawning fans—including a doting George W. Bush—as an indomitable ‘warrior’ and ‘courageous’ soldier.``

he was an ``indomitable ‘warrior’ and ‘courageous’ soldier.`` you may not like his arrogant swagger or his crude, bullying manner but accept the fact that no arab leader in recent history can even close to him. which is sad, since for israelis he does not count as one of their great leaders. there is not a single arab leader who has served his country and people like sharon has his motherland. these baighairat arabs need people like sharon to give them the danda they need.

sabra and shatilla are mentioned all the time, but face the truth, your own amir-ul-momineen (zia-ul-haq) killed more palestinians during the black september uprising than the israelis have since 1947. the israelis to their credit at least had an inquiry against sharon and held him responsible. zia-ul-haq on the other hand was awarded the highest jordanian honor for butchering thousands of palestinians and the saudi pigs used to open the doors of the ka`ba for him every chance they got.
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#70 Posted by tahmed32 on January 14, 2006 6:34:11 am
#69 Good point on ``Black September`` (er....I mean amir-ul-momineen) Zia.
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#71 Posted by jang on January 14, 2006 9:18:35 am
#69 noisy israeli democracy somehow seems to have turned up a long list of chiefs who served their country well. this if nothing else is a great advertizement for democracy.
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#72 Posted by fuzair on January 14, 2006 8:25:22 pm
Why does Chowk allow this ``analyst`` to waste its resources? The level of ``analysis`` here is only slightly less asinine than ``the Jews planned 9-11 to discredit Muslims.``


R.A.Janjua

Zia`s role in Black September is still murky. I had thought that he was instrumental in the planning for Black September but Col. De Atkine, who was a US military attache in Jordan in 1970 (http://meria.idc.ac.il/journal/2002/issue4/jv6n4a2.html), says that Zia took command of a Jordanian division when its GOC deserted his post--he was married to a Palestinian. Zia then became the de facto GOC of the Jordanian 2nd Infantry Division during ``Black September.``

Incidentally, de Atkine completely discounts the stories of mass killings and slaugter of the Palestinians carried out by the Jordanian Army. I think that if Black September had not been carried out, Jordan now (certainly no paradise) would be as dysfunctional as Arafat`s corruption and machinations had made the Palestinian Authority.
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#73 Posted by r.a.janjua on January 14, 2006 9:09:40 pm
re: 72

thanks for the link fuzair - my own understanding had been the same as described by col. de atkine - the then maj. gen. zia-ul-haq took over the command of a jordanian division on his own initiative and played a decisive role in crushing the uprising - that in itself is quite remarkable since it was not even remotely a part of his job description.

many have puzzled over why bhutto picked zia over some very fine and more qualified generals - the usual explantion is that zia used to act like a lapdog in front of him and bhutto had too much of an ego - i am not so sure about this explanation - someone mentioned this to me a long time back, that when maj. gen. zia-ul-haq took that action against the palestinians, he was duly noted by a lot of important people - here was a man with no scruples and ruthless enough to do anything for his ambitions - people like that can be very useful - but all that is ofcourse just speculation.
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#74 Posted by Ranjit on January 14, 2006 10:37:57 pm
Re:r.a.janjua #73

Your posting once again reveals the complete hollowness of the ummah concept among muslims. It is a total farce. Pakistani muslims and jordanian muslims butchered palestinians. Yet, you have millions of Pakistanis who have wet dreams about the ummah every day.
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#75 Posted by nasah on January 15, 2006 7:50:13 am
Here is the final word on Sharon from one of the great columnists -- Charley Reese enumerating the misdeeds of that evil Man of War -- may his sould rest in in the God of Israel`s Hell that he created for the poor Palestinians men women and children on the Palestinian soil.

Sharon: Not a `Man of Peace`

by Charley Reese

Ariel Sharon, Israel`s prime minister, is for all practical purposes dead.

They might keep his body alive, but if the bleeding was as massive as it`s been reported, then chances of his regaining his mental powers are nil.

Sharon was a great, though controversial, military tactician. I always thought of him as Israel`s George Patton.

He was the father of the settlements in the West Bank and Gaza. He provoked the second intifada. He re-invaded the West Bank and Gaza at a great cost in Palestinian lives. He started the infamous wall in the West Bank area. He was blamed in part by an Israeli commission for the massacres of Palestinian refugees in Lebanon in the 1980s. He himself, in his early career, led a commando raid that massacred a whole village of innocent people in Jordan.

Sharon was a lot of things, but he was not a man of peace.

He never trusted peace. He never trusted the Palestinians. He never negotiated with the Palestinians, and he never intended to.

He and his closest friends must have gotten a great laugh when President George Bush uttered that canard about him being a man of peace. The old man treated Bush and Condoleezza Rice like children, ignoring them when it suited him and easily manipulating them whenever he wanted.

He treated the so-called road map to peace like the joke that it is. As I pointed out, not once in five years did he negotiate with the Palestinians.

One of his cronies admitted in an interview with an Israeli newspaper that the purpose of pulling out of Gaza was to put off negotiating with the Palestinians.

He said they would negotiate with the Palestinians when the Palestinians turned into Finns.

If the Palestinians observed a cease-fire, Sharon would provoke them with attacks and assassinations and then claim he had no partners for peace.

In the meantime, he intended to use the wall to provide for a secure Israel and leave the Palestinians in impossible little ``homelands`` that would make a viable Palestinian state impossible. Sharon`s intention was to do this unilaterally and tell the Palestinians to take it or leave it.

Sharon didn`t mellow with age, but he did come to realize the danger represented by the armies of General Birthrate.

The Arab birthrate is higher than the Jewish birthrate.

If Israel tries to keep all of the Arabs under its control, in not many years there will be more Arabs than Jews in the land. The Zionist goal of a Jewish state, defined as a state with a majority of Jews and a Jewish-controlled government, could then vanish without a shot being fired.

The worry about the peace process in the absence of Sharon is ridiculous. There is no peace process. That`s just something American politicians talk about to hide the fact that they support the Israelis in taking even more of what`s left of Palestinian land.......

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#76 Posted by nasah on January 15, 2006 8:03:41 am
it is rumored that Sharon slow poisoned Yasir Arafat to his death -- little did he know Sharon`s own Hell Hole in his own cruel heart -- and his pot belly bulging with the voracious apetite for Palestinian land -- will take him to the same road that he sent Arafat on......

sub thath puraa ruh jave ga jub laad chulay gaa bunjaraa
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#77 Posted by arjun_m on January 15, 2006 11:39:15 am
#76 by nasah on January 15, 2006 8:03am PT

Sharon poisoned himself to death..If he`s alive at 77 and 350pounds, it`s probably because allah loves him and approves of what he`s doing..

Sharon told to go on a diet

JERUSALEM (AP) - Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon is renowned for his steel will, but there is one thing that just might be stronger than ``the Bulldozer`` - his appetite.

The very overweight leader was released from the hospital Tuesday, two days after suffering a mild stroke, and is under doctors` orders to go on a diet. But aides said he has not yet decided whether to fight his love of all things meaty.

Before the stroke, Sharon reportedly had a meal with family and friends that included hamburgers, steak, lamb chops, shish kebab and chocolate cake. After leaving the hospital, he ate Chinese noodles.
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#78 Posted by r.a.janjua on January 15, 2006 12:22:08 pm
re: 76

everyone has to die one day - i see no reason why you should be so happy about this - are you celebrating the prospect of binyamin netanyahu becoming the next israeli p.m. - he has stated clearly on more than one occasion that all palestinians should be relocated to either jordan or saudi arabia - there is no such thing as the west bank, he says - it is judea and sammara according to him - he is also quite capable of demolishing masjid-i-omar and masjid al-aqsa - and what do you think, you and your ummah will do, when that happens - let me enlighten you - nothing - because the ummah is not capable of doing anything - if the ummah was not busy breeding all the time they would have accomplished something by now - the ummah will vent its anger on the streets by burning shops and cars in their own neighborhoods - and maybe blow up a few things here and there - and that would be the end of it.

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#79 Posted by Urstruly on January 15, 2006 12:38:55 pm
#78 by r.a.janjua

I think you are barking the wrong tree. He doesn`t give a fine guck if the whole ummah drops dead into the `tathaa khoo` as it is said in Punjabi. He is more worried about his `commrades` who have been permanently sidelined by the religious nuts in Isreal and the chances that they will ever get any political power are as strong as a seeing a fish riding a bicycle on fine sunday morning. This post should have been addressed to me or someone like me. Anyway meassage is understood. As for celebrating the death of this butcher is concerned here is something that Shah Hussain said in one of his kaafi:

dushman maray te khushi na kariyay
keh sajnaN vi mar jana.
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#80 Posted by arjun_m on January 15, 2006 1:12:55 pm
#79 by Urstruly on January 15, 2006 12:38pm PT


This post should have been addressed to me or someone like me.


Someone like you as in people whose tax $$ go to the Israeli state and are probaby being used to keep sharon alive even now?
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#81 Posted by sadna on January 15, 2006 1:13:05 pm
arjun_m#77
Well, his doctors might have goofed up. Apparently they concentrated on the hole in the heart and gave him blood anticoagulants after the first stroke instead of realising that he was actually bleeding in the brain.
http://www.forbes.com/work/feeds/ap/2006/01/12/ap2446671.html

Ariel Sharon`s doctors faced new criticism Thursday for failing to divulge a brain disease discovered after the prime minister`s initial stroke and for prescribing blood thinners that may have contributed to a massive second stroke.
.......

Doctors confirmed they knew about the disease after the first stroke, but prescribed the blood thinners anyway, a move outside experts criticized Thursday.

``If someone has a disease that caused bleeding, that causes bleeding, that could cause bleeding in the future, giving anticoagulants ... is certainly an undesirable situation,`` said Amos Korczyn, head of the Tel Aviv University Medical School`s neurology department.
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#82 Posted by arjun_m on January 15, 2006 1:15:58 pm
#81 by sadna on January 15, 2006 1:13pm PT

We need to increase aid to Israel so they can upgrade their medical system. American tax $$, such as those contributed by maulana urstruly, will ensure that Bibi will get better treatment when he becomes the PM....
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#83 Posted by nasah on January 15, 2006 1:38:12 pm
sadna/arjun -- the blood thinner coumadin or warfarin is a double edged sword -- a little more then you have a deadly stroke by brain hemorrhage -- a little less and a clot forming stroke -- it has to be just right -- now here is a conspiracy theory -- may be some Oslowite `comrades` who got rid of Arafat by putting a whit of arsenic in his qahwa -- also got rid of Sharon by increasing a whit of coumadin in his IV bag......

.....may be now that the two greatest stumbling blocks in the cause of the ME peace -- are removed -- there may be finally the light at the end of that bloody tunned.......amen
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#84 Posted by nasah on January 15, 2006 2:16:42 pm
my dear naive Januja -- so much hope for your Umma from such a pair of blood dripping hands -- for so little......and for so soon

now hear the latest -- Netanyahu 13% -- the rest -- Kadima`s Olmert plus Labor`s Amir -- with shifty `Perez for Peace` in between the two ......

this is the COALITION that will rule Israel -- for the final PEACE between Israelis and the Palestinians -- despite the Hamas suicidal gundos and the Jewish homicidal unsettlers....
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#85 Posted by sri on January 16, 2006 1:36:49 am

Oh phleeaaaze..... cry me an ocean.

If everybody in this world has to live with such broken hearts because foreigners ``stole`` their home lands then this entire world would truly be a depressing place. How many lands have been conquered by aliens throughout the history ? You don`t see all of them living with such perpetual broken hearts ? If they all have to blow-up Pizza restaurants then I am afraid we will not have any pizza-huts. Heck, may be this humble poster himself may end up blowing large number of people during their friday prayers in Lahore for stealing our ancient Hindu lands. But thankfully we know better than that. Every society other than Muslims has realized the futility of wallowing in self pity and realized the path to progress in this globalized world.

Even so, let`s see exactly how much land did Israel really occupy ? Well, it turns out the entire land of Israel is about the size of New jersey. Think about it, a land the size of New Jersey surrounded by a sea of hostile Arabs. And for such tiny piece of land Muslims are in such Maatam. Such agony at not being able to push all Jews in to the Sea ? Such Maatam at not being able to show the superioity of your God ( or may be that Crazy Prophet ) ?

Well get over it. You guys attacked Israel twice with all your might until now and they beat you fair & square. Besides, what exactly is the difference between a Palestinian and an Arab ? It doesn`t do anybody ( especially Muslims ) any good by living such perpetual state of self pity.

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#86 Posted by warrior13th on January 16, 2006 6:34:50 am
Hi,
I wish to remind arjun_m and others a few details... the fact is that India supported the palestienian cause for several reasons.

1)an important factor was the ``goodwill`` that supporting the palaestinians would bring India in the ME,it would definitely neutralise Pak`s advantage of claiming support for palaestinians on basis of religious brotherhood and getting the muslim countries to support it, in return, on kashmir.

2)Getting trade and other benefits from ME.who in the world needed Indian goods until now?it was the ME countries that helped Indian industry.

3)the support of countries like Egypt was crucial for non-aligned movement.the Baath parties that came into power in countries like syria,libya etc were also not fundamentalist or theocratic.. it was felt that having friendly relations with them would be useful esepcially in undermining Pak`s claim of religious brotherhood.

so its wrong to conclude that India supported Pales`s for nothing or that India did not get anything in return.maybe we didnt get as much as hoped for.. but lets not show contempt for Pales`s or fret about our past policies.

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#87 Posted by bongdongs on January 16, 2006 7:42:30 am
#86

What Indian diplomacy forgot (specially during Indira Gandi`s time) was the art of balance. A foreign policy controlled by ideologues (like this author) went overboard with the whole Palestinian thing. This was over above what was in India`s best interest. Images of Arafat sharing a stage with other NAM leaders damaged India`s foreign policy to some extent and damages NAM irrepairably.

In retrospect it was not that India should have abandoned the Palestinian`s but that we should have not gone overbaord with it. Foreign policy stopped being conducted with India`s interest at heart.
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#88 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on January 16, 2006 12:08:13 pm
#85 sri {``Even so, let`s see exactly how much land did Israel really occupy ? Well, it turns out the entire land of Israel is about the size of New jersey. Think about it, a land the size of New Jersey surrounded by a sea of hostile Arabs. ``}

Sri Sri,
Oh yeah! Then are you ready to return New Jersey to the Hottentots?
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#89 Posted by r.a.janjua on January 18, 2006 10:06:42 pm
re: 84

maybe naive - but polls can change and besides, netanyahu (a bonafide nutcase), olmert (a likud hawk pretending to be a centerist minus sharon`s stature) and amir ( a sephardi with little/no stature) are the same when it comes to protecting the interests of the israelis - there is no arab leader who thinks like that.
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#90 Posted by nasah on January 24, 2006 5:48:43 am
Peretz said the conflict with the Palestinians blocks the advancement of Israel`s relations with Muslim states. If Labor wins the coming Knesset elections, the party would seek a final-status peace agreement with the Palestinians by the end of the decade, Peretz said.

Israel`s existence as a Jewish-democratic state is dependent on the strengthening of the Israeli Arab minority, Peretz said.

Likud issued the following statement in response to the Labor leader`s address: ``Peretz`s speech proved that Labor and Kadima are Siamese twins proffering up the same dangerous plan for unreciprocated withdrawals from Judea, Samaria and the Jordan Valley. In addition, Peretz revealed a passive approach in confronting the threats posed by the radical regimes in our region.``

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