Sharon’s Legacy

Re: # 31

>>>Finally, the present Indian govt.`s lukewarm relationship with Palestine saddens me.<<<

GT, and you are?

Do you think that Tikka Khan and Pak Army should also be tried for war crimes? They killed some 1000 times more Muslims than Sharon is accused of? How about Zia for killing thousands of Palestinians (again more than Sharon)? I wonder what the Author of this piece has to say about the butchery of Pak Army? I can bet you, nothing!

Dear P-Mishra

I don`t give a damn about other Muslim countries... but about Bangladesh... have you had the opportunity of reading Sarmilla Bose`s research which suggests that violence was on both sides in the Bangladesh war? I am not absolving that parasite we call Pakistan Army of its brutish treatment of the then Pakistani citizens but lets not go over board.

As for other comparisons... do you promise that India would treat Palestinians better than it treated these proud Indian Muslims:

#34 i believe sharmilla bose gave a statement that her comments were being misinterpreted and misused. i am sure more able googlers can find her press-release in that regard.

GT

Except in relation to a close circle of kith and kin, support and opposition to others is offered based on certain basic principles, including self-interest. Many people have changed their position vis a vis the Israel-Palestinian conflict because the principles implicated in the conflict have changed completely.

#35 by jang on January 13, 2006 7:23am PT


#34 i believe sharmilla bose gave a statement that her comments were being misinterpreted


Sure she did...and manto knows it too...

Jang and Arjunm

Nice try ....

The statement she gave was not that her work was misinterpreted but that to conclude that Pakistan Army was completely blameless was wrong. No one claims that the Pakistan army was blameless...

She maintains that violence was on both sides... her work says it clearly.

This is what ``Googlers`` do- don`t you...

They are all SOBs on this issue without exception- Israelis, Palestinians, assorted other Arabs, the US, the British, evangelist Christian Americans and Iranians like Ahmednijad. The death or life of any one player doesn`t change the essential SOB nature and intent of the entire boiling. A holy land has been cursed to be holy to so many people - the more holy it has been considered, the more it has been subject to ruinous policy and indiscriminate violence by all parties.

And I think any Indian sympathy for Israel comes from
1.anti-Muslim prejudice
2.understanding the futility of dealing with Islamist groups whose ideology is not to get a political settlement but to wipe you out from the face of the earth.
3.repeated goofing up of Palestinian leadership for above reason.

biggest loss is to bush administration, sharon held a cabinate position of secratary for middle-east affairs in it.

Sadna...

``And I think any Indian sympathy for Israel comes from
1.anti-Muslim prejudice``

Well said.

omigod...what just happened here?

And yes, Israel has perpetuated less violence than many Muslim countries have perpetuated on their people. Especially Pakistanis` tears are crocodile tears. Pakistanis hate nonMuslims it is as simple as that.

Re #44
Sadna..that’s just not ture.. Pakistanis do not hate all non-Muslims. We have very good diplomatic relations with North Korea and Cheen. Also with Namibia and Gabon. You should do your research before saying something.

#42
Quoting selectively is meaningless. Iraq is Muslim too and Indians have been overwhelmingly opposed to the US war and occupation there.

#40 by sadna

vow sadna what did you eat this morning in the breakfast; I know it will pass soon so while I have the moment......let me address three points:

``1.anti-Muslim prejudice``

Extreme and acerbic anti-Muslim prejudice exists in various non-Muslim political entities. In the past decade or so, American and Western propaganda machinery has stocked the fires of hatered and brought them to new extremes. I don`t think it will go away, but it will intensify and become more blunt in near future.


``2.understanding the futility of dealing with Islamist groups whose ideology is not to get a political settlement but to wipe you out from the face of the earth. ``

This is balogne. Any terrorism, which is in fact a new euphemism for political violence only emerges because a political solution is either not offered or it is stifled. For example, take Kashmir, the violence is a direct result of a political and democratic demand of a plebicite to resolve the issue amicably and in a civilized manner. The political solution is denied and hence violence. A similar solution exists in Palestinian-Arab conflict where a general Arab population recognizes the Israel`s right to exist within the boundries of 1967. Those boundries were recognized by the United Nations but we see that Israel is not content on that and as this article suggests, occupies about 93% of the land. The 7% of land has two concentration camps called Gaza Strip and West Bank where Americans and Israelites run their slaughter houses. As a matter of fact thru Oslo agreement Palestinian even agreed to relent a bigger piece of land to Israels that goes beyond 1967 territories in return for peace. But as we can see that Israelis and their American religious nuts backers use these tactics of political negotiations only to mislead the world opinion and divert attention from their insatiable desire of expansionism. No political solution, hence violence.



3.repeated goofing up of Palestinian leadership for above reason.

I don`t think Palestinian leadership has goofed up. As the above point suggests that they are willing to make bigger sacrifices for peace but the dishonesty of Isrealis and their Western and American patrons get in the way. The proof of that is the 120+ Un resolutions against Israel by the world community that were summarily vetoed by Americans and Western countries. Briefly: No justice no peace.

#34 mantolives

No, india is no heaven for ANYONE. I was once taken off a bus in rural assam and slapped because I was a ``bengali``. My relatives have been ethnically cleansed from J&K and have to flee from their homeland due to ``freedom struggle``. I have travelled in buses in north india where in previous weeks dozens of hindus (everyone without turban!) was ordered off and murdered by ``freedom fighters``.

Their are 1000s of indians, muslim, hindu, sikh, who have suffered extreme violence due to poor governance and law/order issues. They deserve better and every now and then we do seem to make progress.

But the truly depraved people are those who call only see the suffering of only one class of people. People who exalt muslim or palestinian suffering over every other form of suffering. People who are unwilling to see the difference between a dispute over territory VS. Pol Pot ideology or Nazis. Who reduce others to non-humans by being unwilling to retreat from rigid ideologies. You appear to be such a person.

#39, 40 sadna

I think you have summarized the situation well. The middle-east seems to be inhabited by extremism of all types. If there wasnt oil involved this region would be treated as the hell hole that it surely is....