Feroz R Khan January 28, 2006
#9 Posted by Urstruly on January 28, 2006 8:22:31 pm
#6
The writer`s thesis, even as explained by you, is still croc. Perhaps it is you people who need to get out of your supernatural fairylands. One example would suffice. The recent victory of Hamas in the election disproves your and writer`s thesis. They did not get this election victory because they appealed to masses because of their belief system or because they appealed the anti-Isreal-US hatered in their masses. But instead their platform was based on three things - reform, end of corruption, and accountability. THere was decades of social service and charity that supported their platform.
Similarly, during the recent tragedy in Pakistan it were the Muslim organizations that were first to respond to the disaster and provided systematic social services to the victims despite military dicatorship`s ugly attempts to sideline them or even outright prevent them from providing social service. Interestingly, it was the masses in the Muslim lands who provided instant monetary help to their fellow Muslims, even before their governments did. And today after four months the only money that circulates among the victims is that collected by religious organiztions and that raised in Muslim lands.
The days of military fascists, atheists thugs, and corrupt puppets of the west are numbered now.
#10 Posted by ahmedmadani on January 28, 2006 8:55:15 pm
I do not believe this statement ``The Muslim ummah is a myth``. The articles preamble starts with this quote.
Ummah is strong and alive and kicking and ummah is presently little ill is agreeable but but does not exist is wrong statement. All pakistan is example of Muslim Ummah is alive and proof of Quiad`s Two Nation theory.
Many muslim rich countries like KSA or Kuawait, UAE and other cash rich with full of liquid black gold and brimming with cash help Pakistan help is sign of Ummah. Only due to concept of Ummah they are helping pakistan other what is need for them. Ummah is fully united against nonmuslim episodes like israel or terrorism by OSB type people. I think there are proindia people want to discredit Ummah and put muslims in depression. When any bad things happens in poor Muslim countries all Muslims are united to support is sign Ummah exists. Like when India made invasion of Pakistan in 1971 and liquidation of E.Pakistan all muslim countries were united for pakistan. Iran helped us by sending arms and allowing Pakistan airmachines can land and stay and then fly and bomb indian army. Same way Turky send us spare parts and Indonesia was angered and asked permission of pakistan to occupy India islands od Andaman and pakistan asked them not to increase area of conflit. Aryameher ShaenShah called on word bodies to do something when Indian army crossed international borders.
Ummah is strong. Ummah is strong in resources and population, controls 60% of worlds black liquid gold. What is needed is strong enlightened moderare antiterrorist leadership and that is available in form of leadership of Ge.eral Musharaff of IRP.
Let Salake din ho Hazzar and Ummah live Hazzar Sal.
Ummah is strong and alive and kicking and ummah is presently little ill is agreeable but but does not exist is wrong statement. All pakistan is example of Muslim Ummah is alive and proof of Quiad`s Two Nation theory.
Many muslim rich countries like KSA or Kuawait, UAE and other cash rich with full of liquid black gold and brimming with cash help Pakistan help is sign of Ummah. Only due to concept of Ummah they are helping pakistan other what is need for them. Ummah is fully united against nonmuslim episodes like israel or terrorism by OSB type people. I think there are proindia people want to discredit Ummah and put muslims in depression. When any bad things happens in poor Muslim countries all Muslims are united to support is sign Ummah exists. Like when India made invasion of Pakistan in 1971 and liquidation of E.Pakistan all muslim countries were united for pakistan. Iran helped us by sending arms and allowing Pakistan airmachines can land and stay and then fly and bomb indian army. Same way Turky send us spare parts and Indonesia was angered and asked permission of pakistan to occupy India islands od Andaman and pakistan asked them not to increase area of conflit. Aryameher ShaenShah called on word bodies to do something when Indian army crossed international borders.
Ummah is strong. Ummah is strong in resources and population, controls 60% of worlds black liquid gold. What is needed is strong enlightened moderare antiterrorist leadership and that is available in form of leadership of Ge.eral Musharaff of IRP.
Let Salake din ho Hazzar and Ummah live Hazzar Sal.
#11 Posted by hamzaad on January 28, 2006 9:02:06 pm
Re: # 8
`If Muslims prefer the gains of political power and they wish to use and malign Islam for this purpose, then out of a common decency, they should stop pretending to act in the name of Islam`
The problem with this hapless circularity is that, anyone wanting to MALIGN Islam will HAVE TO act in the name of Islam, common decency notwithstanding. In other words, it is not possible to make an egg omelette without invoking some eggs first.
`If Muslims prefer the gains of political power and they wish to use and malign Islam for this purpose, then out of a common decency, they should stop pretending to act in the name of Islam`
The problem with this hapless circularity is that, anyone wanting to MALIGN Islam will HAVE TO act in the name of Islam, common decency notwithstanding. In other words, it is not possible to make an egg omelette without invoking some eggs first.
#12 Posted by hamzaad on January 28, 2006 9:38:44 pm
Re: # 9
Brother Urstruly,
Indeed Hamas` victory cannot be denied even with the majority Palestinian atheists amongst the voting population. In the face of rampant corruption etc, even a party of donkeys would have been victorious, no? So really its not Hamas` islamness (some moderates will say they have none) that has been validated, but just their non-Fatah-ness is. Brother, you may have been influenced by the western media when they call Hamas, an extremist ISLAMIST party.. when you know in your heart that it is just an extremist palestinian party responding to Israeli aggression and Fatah corruption..
Brother if you want to seek the truth, you have to admit that the islam-ness of a politcal party should be measured by its competition and what they are offering. Like Maududi, coming out with that fatwa against Fatimah Jinnah.. You probably know countless other examples. Hamas, PLO, Fata etc.. none of them are secular or islamist.
The example of Muslim organization helping out, the writer of this article might say that this is what the place of Muslim organizations (just like the church) should be, where they invoke the fear of the supernatural in order to collect charity for the earthquake victims. Just don`t enter politics with half-assed ideas about banking, rights of women/dhimmis/sects/gays/arts/inheritance/slavery and corporal punishment when we can have a constitution based on modern sensibilty and science, the writer would say.
The battle cry in the last line is so cute brother, that kaka would like to take a puppee of you, if that`s alright with the editor here.
Brother Urstruly,
Indeed Hamas` victory cannot be denied even with the majority Palestinian atheists amongst the voting population. In the face of rampant corruption etc, even a party of donkeys would have been victorious, no? So really its not Hamas` islamness (some moderates will say they have none) that has been validated, but just their non-Fatah-ness is. Brother, you may have been influenced by the western media when they call Hamas, an extremist ISLAMIST party.. when you know in your heart that it is just an extremist palestinian party responding to Israeli aggression and Fatah corruption..
Brother if you want to seek the truth, you have to admit that the islam-ness of a politcal party should be measured by its competition and what they are offering. Like Maududi, coming out with that fatwa against Fatimah Jinnah.. You probably know countless other examples. Hamas, PLO, Fata etc.. none of them are secular or islamist.
The example of Muslim organization helping out, the writer of this article might say that this is what the place of Muslim organizations (just like the church) should be, where they invoke the fear of the supernatural in order to collect charity for the earthquake victims. Just don`t enter politics with half-assed ideas about banking, rights of women/dhimmis/sects/gays/arts/inheritance/slavery and corporal punishment when we can have a constitution based on modern sensibilty and science, the writer would say.
The battle cry in the last line is so cute brother, that kaka would like to take a puppee of you, if that`s alright with the editor here.
#13 Posted by masadi on January 28, 2006 9:41:38 pm
#9 writes <<< The days of military fascists, atheists thugs, and corrupt puppets of the west are numbered now. >>>>
Yes, the days of those who have used and abused Islam and its image for their evil ends, whether it be the so called Afghan Jihad or now the ``war on terrorism`` are numbered. They are losing on all fronts.
wo din key jis ka waada hey
hum dekhain gey
Inshallah.
Yes, the days of those who have used and abused Islam and its image for their evil ends, whether it be the so called Afghan Jihad or now the ``war on terrorism`` are numbered. They are losing on all fronts.
wo din key jis ka waada hey
hum dekhain gey
Inshallah.
#14 Posted by arjun_m on January 29, 2006 2:03:52 am
#9 by Urstruly on January 28, 2006 8:22pm PT
The days of military fascists, atheists thugs, and corrupt puppets of the west are numbered now.
Hey..2 million is a number too..
The days of military fascists, atheists thugs, and corrupt puppets of the west are numbered now.
Hey..2 million is a number too..
#17 Posted by ferozk on January 29, 2006 6:12:32 am
Re: # 7
The title is an inside joke; if the Muslims do not reform they will be responsible for their own end. :)
Ciao
The title is an inside joke; if the Muslims do not reform they will be responsible for their own end. :)
Ciao
#18 Posted by malik99 on January 29, 2006 8:48:54 am
Too shallow an article to warrant any serious response.
#19 Posted by Raw_Dust on January 29, 2006 1:49:10 pm
ferozek:
i think pakistani state is emulating the Medinah State, the ideal state founded by the Prophet, in one very imporant area.
And that is the lack of any sort of succession principle in force in Pakistan just like Mohammad left it open ended for his followers to duke it out among them once he was dead - well here we are - in 1400 Hijrah-century and Pakistani state is strictly following the Sunnah of the Prophet with extreme reverence.
i think pakistani state is emulating the Medinah State, the ideal state founded by the Prophet, in one very imporant area.
And that is the lack of any sort of succession principle in force in Pakistan just like Mohammad left it open ended for his followers to duke it out among them once he was dead - well here we are - in 1400 Hijrah-century and Pakistani state is strictly following the Sunnah of the Prophet with extreme reverence.
#20 Posted by Raw_Dust on January 29, 2006 2:26:16 pm
on the inside joke:
i came across this guy who was comparing characters in Heinrich Heine`s poem Marie Antoinette with muslims. In the poem, ghosts of Marie Antoinette the famous french queen entertains her guests in the strictest ettiquettes or so it seemed to the ``Guests``. The irony was that all the guests and the Queen were headless (as the scene was transpiring after the French Revolution) and since they were headless they didnt have their brains intact to realise that they were headless... ! eek!
Muslims are pretty much in the same headless state with the ghost of Muhammad haunting them.
i came across this guy who was comparing characters in Heinrich Heine`s poem Marie Antoinette with muslims. In the poem, ghosts of Marie Antoinette the famous french queen entertains her guests in the strictest ettiquettes or so it seemed to the ``Guests``. The irony was that all the guests and the Queen were headless (as the scene was transpiring after the French Revolution) and since they were headless they didnt have their brains intact to realise that they were headless... ! eek!
Muslims are pretty much in the same headless state with the ghost of Muhammad haunting them.
#21 Posted by ahmedmadani on January 29, 2006 6:10:45 pm
Re: # 20
No reference:
It looks pindi express will indian team out of misery . Indian team has no chance again management failure of Indian captain.
No reference:
It looks pindi express will indian team out of misery . Indian team has no chance again management failure of Indian captain.
#22 Posted by MantoLives on January 30, 2006 12:16:57 am
Feroz..
An excellent article as usual.
Salim Chauhan,
Being a Turko-phile like myself you must have read the history of the Turkish Revolution.
The rallying cry, under Mustapha Kemal Ataturk, there was Islam and Jehad more than anywhere else and look what they did after that.
An excellent article as usual.
Salim Chauhan,
Being a Turko-phile like myself you must have read the history of the Turkish Revolution.
The rallying cry, under Mustapha Kemal Ataturk, there was Islam and Jehad more than anywhere else and look what they did after that.
#23 Posted by ahmedmadani on January 30, 2006 1:05:33 am
Re: # no reference
As predicted India defeated by 7 runs by home team. Indian management total failure. Test is won almost as shoeb Akhtar reaching 157KM/HR. Major indian batsman can not face Express just throw and run away. Sad only indian bowlers have to bad.
As predicted India defeated by 7 runs by home team. Indian management total failure. Test is won almost as shoeb Akhtar reaching 157KM/HR. Major indian batsman can not face Express just throw and run away. Sad only indian bowlers have to bad.
#24 Posted by hamzaad on January 30, 2006 2:02:22 am
Re: # 23
Madani,
Unless Akhtar is doing both of your daughters, there`s no need to sing unnecessary praises of him. He took only two wickets compared to Asif and Razzaq.
Bowling O M R W ER Nb Wb
S Akhtar 16 3 70 2 4.38 4 0
M Asif 19.1 1 78 4 4.07 6 0
A Razzaq 16 3 67 3 4.19 7 0
S Afridi 3 0 12 1 4.00 0 0
Madani,
Unless Akhtar is doing both of your daughters, there`s no need to sing unnecessary praises of him. He took only two wickets compared to Asif and Razzaq.
Bowling O M R W ER Nb Wb
S Akhtar 16 3 70 2 4.38 4 0
M Asif 19.1 1 78 4 4.07 6 0
A Razzaq 16 3 67 3 4.19 7 0
S Afridi 3 0 12 1 4.00 0 0
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