Why Aren’t Muslim Women Converting to Christianity?

ZahraJ:

Your advice to me is timely. So I am changing my attention to Ahmer`s article :-)

Ahmer:

This is an interesting read. However, your question that why Muslim women are not converting to Christianity has also been responded correctly by both Indians and Pakistanis. But perhaps a good answer can be found if we change your question a triffle bit.

The question should have been: Why Muslim women fully independent of doing so aren`t converting to christianity?

Since no data has actually been gathered on this area, one can only guesstimate. There are hundreds and thousands of female first generation Pakistani Americans, Pakistani Brits, etc. now living independently in the West. Although many of our young generation is no longer practicing Muslims, they have not converted to any other religion as well.

I can give you some personal experiences. A Christian nephew of a very well respected and decorated Christian Pakistani pilot from 1965 war viz. Flt Lt. Cecil Chaudhary (Sitara-e-Jurrat, Pakisan) married a Muslim girl. We happened to meet them in Toronto once at a Quran-Khwani in Toronto. His wife is a practicing Muslim with Muslim children, whereas the husband is Christian (His father is still in the PAF and is a decorated pilot too). I don`t know if he is a practicing Christian though.

A cousin of mine, whose Pukhtoon parents settled in England in the 50s, married her Hindu class mate. The whole family never visited Pakistan after that as they clearly knew their fate. My cousin and her husband did not convert. My cousin is a practicing Muslim and is raising her kids as Muslims, although if she visits NWFP, I am sure, a cousin will gladly put her to eternal peace. The Hindu husband is all accepting. We met them in England in 2004 ( and we agreed ith the phrase that love is blind). The knowledgable guy educated us a great deal on Hinduism. I cracked a joke that if I were in my teens, he would have converted me to Hinduism. He responded that my cousin was in her teens when she married him, nothing of that sort happened.

Perhaps some Indians on this site will educate us on any conversions of Muslim girls in Indian film industry. Apparently, many married their Hindu/Christian sweethearts.

You mentioned Irshad Manji. Man, she reminded me of Saleem Chauhan. She calls herself Muslim, but each of her articles and lectures is venomously anti-Muslim. I think that is attributable to the abuse she much have been put to by her father. She does not mention the abuse, but her book gives that part away. Her lesbianism is another pointer in that direction.

Once again, a good read. Please continue writing more.

:-)

Re: # 317

Yes please spare some time....

Not Now... But maybe in near future... for such an endeavor...
you are right... the Mohajirs know next to nothing about what Sind is all about..
for them any thing North [ except the cities of Hyderabad, sukker etc..] ...is backward...
...and they especially know nothing about karachi and its history...and the worst part is
they do not WANT to KNOW...

On some other board..[orkut]....when I told some about the presence of Hindu gymkhna, or Denso Hall or even Jehangir kothari Bridge .... to be there before partition....
They asked me to Prove it....!!

Can you imagine the level of ignorance....!!

Re: # 316 by aquaris on April 29, 2006 4:40pm PT

Dear aquaris:

{Mr Behram I am a great admirer of Parsees contribution to Karachi....
Can you shed some light ...on Jehangir Kothari.... [ whose famous promenade still exists at Clifton ]..
and Mr Denso...something... whose Famous DensoHall still is a Landmark of Karachi...
also some history of Mohata Palace.... who build it ....etc... }

Gosh you have requested the history of huge contribution by the Parsee community to Karachi. There might be some other readers on this site who are more knowledgeable about Parsee contribution`s to Karachi than me.

The only part that I know is that after winning the war with the Talpurs of Sind, in 1820`s, the British asked the Parsees to come to this fishing port and serve their soldiers. Hence, we got the area of saddar, etc.

Parsees have always continuously contributed to the well being of the local population wherever they have been. My school BVS Parsee High School was founded in 1859, and is still a successful instituition. Then, of course we have Mama Parsee High School. So much so that during partition, Mohd. Ali Junnah requested the Parsees, and they obliged, to take in muslim students.

And the same goes for the hindoo contributions to the city of Karachi, which is always forgotten by the mohajirs who got to Karachi.

Respectfully submitted,

Re: # 307


Mr Behram I am a great admirer of Parsees contribution to Karachi....

Can you shed some light ...on Jehangir Kothari.... [ whose famous promenade still exists at Clifton ]..

and Mr Denso...something... whose Famous DensoHall still is a Landmark of Karachi...

also some history of Mohata Palace.... who build it ....etc...


I will be much thankfull..

Re: # 307


Mr Behram I am a great admirer of Parsees contribution to Karachi....

Can you shed some light ...on Jehangir Kothari.... [ whose famous promenade still exists at Clifton ]..

and Mr Denso...something... whose Famous DensoHall still is a Landmark of Karachi...

also some history of Mohata Palace.... who build it ....etc...


I will be much thankfull..

Re: # 295

salim mian,

...... take a deep breath and stop charging windmills ....... if it is any consolation i can give you my personal guarantee that biharis are welcome in the potohar ...... if i am not wrong, shaukat aziz is a bihari and he runs the country when the other mohajir from delhi lets him ......... so stop complaining ..........

#279 hamidm2 writes <<< islam is what its followers practice and not what you claim it to be ........... of course, if you revise the koran and throw out half the hadiths you can come up with a more humane and civilized version - but then it would not be your prophet`s islam, would it ? ....... tahmed is heading up an effort to do exactly that >>>

Wrong on all counts. Islam is not what its alleged followers do, you can find them doing anything under the sun. Your bigoted corporate media picks on the acts that it can capitalize on while ignoring the vast majority of the rest of the acts. That is like saying that America is defined by the acts of the rapists that rape around 1 million women a year. You wouldn`t use that criteria for the latter case but use lower numbers and instances to describe the former. That is the nature of subjective bigotry. Second, Islam had as its source from the beginning the Quran. Other items whose volume and content grew with every succeeding generation is not its source. The political/economic elite in order to justify their perverisons attributed them by hook or by crook to the prophet so they could justify them to the people as religion was the most influential institution in society when most of this nonsense was canonized. And finally tahmed is not leading any effort to do anything. He is merely borrowing from others who have gone through much trouble both personal and intellectual to get to this truth. He is not a muslim, he is an idolator who worships the US elite and terms anyone going against them to be a ``follower of Iblis``. He wants to keep this elite elusively invisible, so he calls them ``mysterious`` even though the world suffers immensely by their actions or lack thereof.

Now you want to argue with me, deal with the facts that I point to and the points of my posts as against personal ad Hominem and fine titles like ``maulana`` and ``pbuh`` and other such distractive nonsense. You don`t want to deal with the facts whose truth is evident to you, so you cling to falsehood and try to defend it using every excuse and distraction in the book. Who are you fooling? Yourself first of all and every idiot that follows the same line of (non) reasoning.

For those who are interested in considering ballroom dancing as a hobby -

1. Some history - http://www-staff.it.uts.edu.au/~don/pubs/modern.html
2. Much Ado About Ballroom Dancing: http://www.outdancing.com/Ballroom/
3. www.ballroomdancers.com

Good luck!

Re: # 309
Echo sahib:

My mother told me about my name was that in Sanskrit ``anil`` mean cool breeze, while ``anal`` means fire. Very shortly after going to the school I know what ``anal`` means in English.

Regards,
Anil

Re: # 293

Tahmad Sahib;

Regarding Bihar: British systematically converted the land around the Ganges in Bihar into Neel producing land for Manchester`s textile industry. Even Karl Marx has written about as a news correspondent for New York Times (or its another NY paper of the time). Bihar has been exploited for a long time. Thakur (= Vadera of Sindh) tradition is very strong still, and gave rise to Naxalites.

Anil

anil:

I`ve always been fascinated by the word anil, which in english is our ``neel``. Now why they would call it Anil, rather than neel?

I looked up dic.com & here is the answer for word-origin.

anil:
[French, from Portuguese, from Arabic al-nil, the indigo plant : al-, the + Persian nil(from Sanskrit nil, from nila-, dark blue).]

indigo:
[Spanish índigo, Dutch indigo(from Portuguese endego) both from Latin indicum, from Greek Indikon (pharmakon), Indian (dye), neuter of Indikos, of India, from India, India, from Indos, the Indus River, from Old Persian Hindu, Sind. See Hindi.]

So now my question is what is the meaning of Anil? as in your name.

Re: # 293

Tahmad Sahib;

Regarding Bihar: British systematically converted the land around the Ganges in Bihar into Neel producing land for Manchester`s textile industry. Even Karl Marx has written about as a news correspondent for New York Times (or its another NY paper of the time). Bihar has been exploited for a long time. Thakur (= Vadera of Sindh) tradition is very strong still, and gave rise to Naxalites.

Anil

Re: # 296 by tahmed32 on April 29, 2006 10:32am PT

Janab Tahmed32 Sahib:

You are absolutely correct. Memons and most of the gujratis came through Khokrapar and confiscated fleeing hindoos` properties. Some of these urdu speaking mohajirs continuously inhabitated on lands owned by Parsees, which was never returned to the rightful owners. Actually a lot of Clifton land was owned by one Parsee family of Nadirshaw Eduljee Dinshaw. This family owned so much of Karachi land that it was said that the British forbid this family to buy anymore land.

As a general rule, Urdu speaking mohagirs have occupied all lands that did not belong to them. But this was also true for the Gujrati speaking Memons. And whenever it suits their (refugees) fancy, they would bring the name of Islam, or build a masjid on somebody else`s property.

One such example was, that the Bohra community had build a masjid on Mohd Ali Bogra`s tram godi on Bunder Road, which was located in front of the old Plaza Cinema. This muslim Bogra family was somehow successful in evicting this unlawfully built masjid.

Urdu speaking bhaya community has taken a huge swath of Parsee charity land near Jubilee Cinema, and have built a masjid and a refugee colony on Parsee lands.

It is really sad to see that Altaf Hussain, who I believe is himself a Bihari, has nothing else to contribute, except hatred and disharmony amongst the citizen`s of Karachi. Whenever it suits the MQM`s fancy they side with freedom and progressiveness, and whenever it suits their fancy they are the first one to usurp other people`s properties.

Respectfully submitted,

Re: # 304

sorry my mistake....

they were settled in Mian Chunun .... not chunian.....

chunian is an industrial area........ and i am sure... you will find a number of them....there too.....

Dear Bro Ahmer
AoA

First of all let me thank and congratulate you for writing this awesome piece of article.The title did confuse me as i thought that you re another *modern* muslim who belongs to ``Peer Gen.Musharraf`` and His ``Silsila-e-Musharrafia`` but when i read your article,i found it very informative and very well written,though the things you referred i had read it before long time back on internet ,latina women also reverting to Islam and many westerns say tht its coz they marry muslim men which is pretty bullshit.

Ignore these idiot hindu indians who always find ways to comeup with their idiotic statment.Raising finger at Quran or Islamic rules,i would ask them to read their own holy books which talks literally crappy things about Women and we all know how women is treated in name of Hinduism in India.Its not difficult for me to quote verses from hindus holy books.

Ahmer keep it up blacksheeps are everywhere including Islam.Islam is brought up more unlike other religions because its spreading fast(unlike other religions) so the opponents try their best to comeup with shitty things to degrade it.Yet unsuccessful.Their forefathers have been trying for 1500 years and coudn`t do anything,give them chance to try their luck.Dont take them seriously,including that hindu ``Saleem chuha``.I would wait for more good things by you.


p.s: CHowk Guys,good work and keep it Up1

LOL

Mr Chauhan...


Neither Mr tahmed, nor....any one else is in postion to do .....anything about it...

irrespective of the fact that they have been saying this , times and times again.... that
Punjabis have no problem in the repartation of Bengalis or Beharis....any where....infact Punjab is willing to take them...In...


The relevant persons are...

1- Mr Mussarraff
2- Mr Shaukat Aziz...

and

the most powerfull of them all Mr Altaf Hussain....!!

so you should actually ask them....... as far as Punjabis are concerned....... they did showed their good will by unilaterrally bringing about 30,000 of them.... and then settling them in Chunian during the Ganjamen Brothers ERA....

... infact... ... you seems to be out of focus.... because... ... One can still see....
a Number of Bengali or Beharis working without any problem.... in Lahore, Gujranwala,.
Jhang, Kamonki, Wazirabad,.....etc...etc.......etc......and ......etc....

Infact you can go... any time to Shah Alami..... Lahore....and you will find them... working and having no problem ... there...

..... so infact you should GOAD the Coalition Partners.... both in Sindh and in Centre....
who are at the strongest possition at the moment.... about Why are they not doing any thing about it...???

I guess..... Mr Ahmedzai`s Post ....is a pointer in this direction...!!!