Ahmer Muzammil April 25, 2006
Harry,
Only 50%? Judging by the intelligence of Mulayam Singh and Laloo Prasad, also I believe the Maywati was also there somewhere, not to mention Sonia Gandhi, Rahul Gandhi, and Priyanka Gandhi, along with Mrs. Sanjay Gandhi, it is more like 75%. Altaf Bhai is further proof of that strange phenomenon. :)
Jang:
In late 50s to a 10 year old that road outside Cawnpore Kotwali, one that went to Bada Chauraha, was impressive the entrance to Kotwali look very big to soon to be teenager.
I used to walk in front of it twice a day to school in 5th and 6th grade.
I did not mean Mulganj in the way you mean. I was only talking from the decay, dirt and cars being parked in the middle of Meston Road.
I certainly missed the scene in Bunty aur Babli.
Anil
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Thank you Aasif Bhai. This explains the large emigration of Mohajirs from Pakistan. I wonder if Pakistan has benefited from this brain drain.]
I wouldn`t know about that but it is a fact that when the Mohajirs migrated from Bihar and UP to Pakistan, the IQ at both ends (UP and Bihar being one and Pakistan the other) went up by 50%!
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Now I am telling you to heel...Achaar would follow...
Jang:
I was born and lived in Kanpur for first 11 years of my life. i had great and fond memories of Kanpur, even Mulganj of those days. I was shocked to see it a few years ago after about 25 years.
Anil
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``I am referring to the bullcrap myth that at the time of partition, the only people who were educated in this part of the world, where the urdu speaking migrants and rest were just illiterate red indians. This shit goes along with the superiority of urdu langauge over the others too. While paunjabis are quite comfortable with their own language and heritage but others are quite apprehensive. Isn`t it the fact that when urdu was in its formative years there were masterpieces being created in Punjabi as Baba farid, Guru nanak, Bulleh shah, Waris shah were penning their epics. On the other hand sindh has a long tradition of creating literature with names like Shah Bhitai, Qazi Ayaz, Chachnama etc.``
1 - The myth of Urdu speaking being Ehle-Zubaan and Mohazzab or the true inheritors of muslim high culture of inida is just a lot of hot air. And you prolly agree, that every group got its own 2-bit story about the ``grand`` traditions of their past. Every group likes to hype their own kind with certain patterns of BS. Lahoris got their own spiel and Jatts from gujrat got their own, Arayains say they were oppressed by jatts but produced the real intellectuals compared to low iq crude Jaatts who were powerful and land owners.etc etc.
2 - In my observation (very personal) karachiites/urdu speakers tend to be more sensitive to people`s ethnic background than say a punjabi. So yeah, they tend to be more prejudiced.I say it`s prolly has to do with the inherent insecurities that a migrant has to deal with. just ike pakistanis who move to the west tend to remain with their own crowd and such.
3 - I agree with you on imposition of Urdu. It was catastrophic for Pakistan (the real one that existed pre-1971). I had come across translations of sheikh ayaz and anonymous sindhi short story writers and enjoyed them alot. A little bit of Bulleh Shah too. So, definitely comparing urdu lit. with any other lit. is kind of stupid.
I have different ideas than the uncle types here who are getting all so worked up in their very ``civilized`` exchanges. I am better off with my uncivilized crew at quetta hotel @ nipa chowrangi over a chai paratha.
Excellent job...I will read them and comment on them if necessary, later..
Thank you Aasif Bhai. This explains the large emigration of Mohajirs from Pakistan. I wonder if Pakistan has benefited from this brain drain.
Attracting enrollment in Sindh was probably a case of a need for better publicity. In
reflected a mohajir-Sindhi dichotomy and therefore created a high level of tension between the two communities. It isnot surprising that students belonging to these communities emerged in leadership positions in their respective nationalist movements. <b> The mohajirpolitical party, the MQM was established by the founder-leaders of a student organisation APMSO (All Pakistan Mohajir Student Organisation), led by Altaf Hussain in both cases. In the case of the Sindhi nationalist movement, students provided the cadre and core constituency of G M Syed`s Jiye Sindh Mohaz and later formed a breakaway faction of that party. A heightened sense of alienation prevailed on both sides of the ethnic divide. Mohajir students with better grades were denied admission to
The critical move in the direction of removing the quota system was taken by the caretaker government of Mairaj Khalidin January 1997. This government was ideally placed in a position where it could take a controversial decision because it was not dependent on keeping members of parliament on its side in the event of a showdown. The cabinet decided on the recommendations of a task force reviewing discretionary powers vested in the ministries/divisions that admissions to educational institutions should be regularized. This meant: no quotas; selection to be on the basis of committee decisions and not on an individual basis; and no quotas for defence services.32 Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif ordered that all federal and provincial discretionary quotas for jobs, allotment of plots, admissions to schools/colleges, and grant of scholarships should be abolished forthwith.33 There was confusion about whether the discretionary quotas listed to be eliminated included provincial/regional/district quotas as well, whether foreign and selffinancing students fell under that category, and whether any or all of these categories were ‘quotas’ or ‘reservations’ to be continued or
discontinued.34 A spirit of caution prevailed in the corridors of power on these and related issues in order to avoid a new spurt of confusion as opinion on the question of quota continued to be deeply divided. It is unlikely that the debate about affirmative action policies will disappear from public fora in the near future. First, too many vested interests ranging from university employees and teachers to various designated underprivileged communities and regions have a stake in maintaining the quota system. The government may like to take the sting out of the new policy measure by offering some ad hoc appointments to these groups or slowing down the process of implementation of this policy or being selective in categorising certain quotas which would not be abolished. Secondly, a great deal of tension is rooted in the parallel problem of issuance of domicile certificates which provide the legal basis of defining provincial/regional quotas. This involves a huge task of streamlining administration at the service-giving end and making the whole process of issuing domicile certificates fully transparent. Thirdly, in the context of
Mohammad Waseem is Quaid-i-Azam Fellow, St. Anthony’s College,
from here
three major quota systems have been in operation. The first system, introduced in September 1948, provided for a regional/provincial model of recruitment.
| Region / Province Quota | % | Population % |
| | 42 | 56.75 |
| (West) | 24 | 28.00 |
| | 2 | 1.50 |
| All other provinces and princely states of | 17 15 | 13.75 |
| Potential migrants from | | (Included in the above) |
It is instructive to see that
| Category | Quota % |
| Merit | 20 |
| | 40 |
| | |
| | |
| All other provinces and princely states | |
militant form of nationalism under the leadership of AltafHussain within a decade and half of the extension ofthe quota system to the urban and rural sectors in Sindh.The 1973 Constitution not only kept the quota system alive but also extendedthe period of its enactment by another 10 years. It provided for theaccommodation of hundreds of thousands of people in Sindhwho had come from
| | Quota % |
| Merit | 10 |
| | 50 |
| Sindh | 19 (Rural 11.4, Urban 7.6) |
| NWFP | 11.5 |
| | 3.5 |
| Northern Areas and | 4 |
| Azad Kashmir | 2 |
The quota for jobs for these regions was meant to bring their elites into the national circuit in education and jobs and thus keep their perceived grievances from developing into hard political demands. In regional terms, this represented a slow but steady current of opportunities moving in the direction of the upcountry areas in terms of new jobs at the expense of the southern part of
The new quota system did not provide a separate share for
Successive governments in
In this context, the relevance of the wide abuse of domicile certificates for appointment of jobs against provincial/regional quota needs to be mentioned. During the first decade after partition many of those who migrated from
| | 1973 | | 1983 | | 1986 | |
| All | Senior | All | Senior | All | Senior | |
| Punjabi | 49.3 | 53.5 | 54.9 | 55.8 | 55.3 | 57.7 |
| Pathan | 10.5 | 7 | 13.4 | 11.6 | 12.6 | 12.1 |
| Sindhi | 3.1 | 2.7 | 5.4 | 5.1 | 7.2 | 6.7 |
| Mohajir | 30.1 | 33.5 | 17.4 | 20.2 | 18.2 | 18.3 |
| NA | 2.6 | 1.3 | 3.6 | 3.4 | 1.4 | 1.5 |
| AJK | 1.8 | 0.5 | 1.9 | 0.9 | 1.7 | 0.7 |
| Total | 100 | 100 | 100 | 100 | 100 | 100 |
Source: Charles H.Kennedy, ‘Managing Ethnic Conflict :The Case of
A few years later, the situation on the ground changed further.
| Region | Ratio of Jobs (%) | Quota (%) |
| | 62.36 | 50 |
| Sindh (Urban) | 9.51 | 7.5 |
| Sindh (Rural) | 7.63 | 11.4 |
| NWFP | 12.41 | 11.5 |
| | 3.01 | 3.5 |
| NA/FATA | 3.69 | 4 |
| AJK | 1.29 | 2 |
Representation inAutonomous Bodies/Public Corporations : 1993
| Province | Number | Percentage | Quota |
| | 25,772 | 49.94 | 50 |
| Sindh (Urban) | 13,815 | 26.77 | 7.6 |
| Sindh (Rural) | 4,213 | 8.16 | 11.4 |
| NWFP | 5,249 | 10.17 | 11.5 |
| | 1,255 | 2.43 | 3.5 |
| NA | - | - | - |
| FATA | 638 | 1.24 | 4 |
| AJK | 664 | 1.29 | 2 |
Source: EstablishmentDivision, Government of Pakistan, Islamabad,Statementshowing Number of Employees, Province and Grade wise, in BPS 17 and aboveworking in the Autonomous/Semi-Autonomous Bodies/Corporations of the FederalGovernment, 1January 1993
An offshoot of these affirmative action policies was the provision for relaxation of rules relating to age, qualification and experience for candidates from the underdeveloped regions. This happened as elected governments were installed in the federal and provincial capitals in the 1970s and again after martial law was lifted in 1985.18 Democracy in the post-military state of
Various other forms of reservations in the services operated which were less controversial and were therefore not on the agenda of political parties. For example, it was required that one percent of the total number of jobs should be reserved for disabled persons.23 Similarly, the upper age limit was relaxed in the case of released/retired officers/personnel of the Pakistan armed forces upto a maximum of 10 years for both ex-cadre
The quota system operated in educational institutions along regional as well as other lines. For example, the University of Arid Agriculture reserved seats along the following lines: rain-fed districts (bypassing canal irrigated districts of central and southern Punjab); provincial quotas for provinces of SindhBaluchistan and NWFP to be nominated by their respective governments; the district of Islamabad; and FATA, Azad Kashmir and Northern Areas, to be nominated by itsdirector agriculture, Azad Kashmir government and the director education Gilgit respectively; sports quota; children of agricultural graduates; self-finance scheme whereby students paid a heavy fee and thus ‘bought’ their way into the university; foreign students; Pakistan army; Pakistan air force; children of the university employees; and vice chancellor`s quota.26 Similarly, the University of Agriculture, Faisalabadprovided quotas for admissions for the following categories: sports quo; district quota; employees quota; graduates’ children quota; co-curricular quota; and children of overseas Pakistanis/minority communities.27Federal universities such as Quaid-i-Azam University (QAU) Islamabad and Allama IqbalOpen University (AIOU) Islamabad followed the same schedule for reservation of seats which operated in the job sector, ranging from 50% for Punjab to 2% for Azad Kashmir, along with sectoralquotas for Sindh. The QAU experienced a keen competition among students from all over
You are rapidly disintegrating. I am afraid for your continued presence. Please desist from this typically ``Pisser-e-Zameen`` behavior of discussing motherhood. We all have mothers and they are all good - so keep them out of the discussion. Thank you. Go, go to Sugar`s as I told you. Cool down. As the Aussies say, you appear to be pissed. Nothing about being angry, just don`t post while you are pissed.
Okay guys...it is getting out of hand now...
Behram calm down...no need to get dirty....
No more posts please....
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Behram
Dude, what’s up with your “mother” attack? Can’t deal with me so attack my parents, especially my mother! You are a true ball-less coward and live up to your title of batli-vala! You call yourself “a man of integrity”? You forgot to add “dignity”!
You may be good in science but certainly are not in manners and definitely lack self-respect.
Yes, I’ve gone through life with all sorts of hashish and it was a lot of fun (yummy) while you were burning you jhant back then as you are now.
“Abay jhantu pichkari!”
That’s hilarious…especially coming from an “educated” person and “a man of integrity,” and of course a man of dignity!
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This must be Batliwalla`s lucky day. He has met at least two Mohajirs who can carry on in proper English with him. Just wait till Raw_Dust and Aasif Bhai show up. Should we form a circle now?
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A few days ago you were yappin` about not having met a Mohajir from Karachi who could carry on a decent conversation in English with you. No wonder, first you should learn proper English yourself. The correct word in this case should be ``teach`` and not ``taught.`` Perhaps they are wondering the same thing about you.
Behram Brader-e-man,
Bebakhsid, nakheir, I can understand that you guys don`t remember Farsi, but even your English comprehension has dwindled. :)
That is why I said ``Pray that India`s economy keeps getting stronger and communcal harmony is maintained...`` Let me translate that for you into Texese:
Y`all betta hope that the bidinez in Injiaa keeps on gaiting betta and betta and thar`s piss `N harmonium in da laained, so that the Ooodoo-gibberin Mooozelims simma down an staay theya n nawt cum to Karaaachee n piss on tawp uf yaar boots.
Kapish?
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Why do you think that all those urdu-speaking mohajir Doctors who come to the US end up given internship as a psychologist (shrinks)? Is there some truth that most urdu-speakers are so depressed in the west, hence they are better served, if they understand human psychology first. Then, maybe, they can qualify and bring their other brethren to the enlightened masses of the world. Regardless how long All Tuff remains in the west, he has an inherent psychological problem, and sooner or later, one of ya`ll will figure it out.
But, you must first recognize that killings of over 20,000 Karachiites can only be done by those who have a built in hate.
Your nation (if there are any) of urdu-speakers have been debunked now. I am sure any Karachiite who is following this would come to realize how lunatics behave whether on Honda 50 or in a limo on the streets of Chicago. I am sorry for your ilk, who follow the gangsters of the All Tuff goonda brigade.
Have you ever read any political agenda or manifesto of your leaders? What do they want Pakistan to be in the next 20 years? Heck, besides hate, murder, and mayhem, these people have not come forward with any political agenda. All their values are negating others, and they stand for nothing. Now, that is what you get by discussing anything with a paan chewing peeing urdu-speaking mohajir from Karachi.
Respectfully submitted,
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The question is, do you have the balls to do that or you are just talk and no action? ``}
Godot Sahib,
LOL. :)
Behram Rustumji Sohrabji SaRakdhonewlla, ``Sindhu Desh Kithay Ahay?`` HP, and Mahapunju Tahmed16 Doghlawalla have been babbling that Mohajirs are only approximately 15 million in number and constitute less than 10% of Pakistan`s population. These ``gentlemen`` better pray that India`s economy keeps getting stronger and communal harmony is maintained next door. What they don`t realize is that there are many millions of Urdu-speaking Muslims right across the border - many many more than all the Punjus, Sindhis, and Pathans in Pakistan put together. They might just flood into Karachi and piss them all off. Then the ``stranded`` Biharis in BD will be the least of their problems. :)
Behram
You seem to have problem with the Mohajirs in Karachi in general and “All Tuff” in particular. You are wasting your time at Chowk where a handful of people do not really matter, and those in power in Pakistan have no clue about the interacts at Chowk.
I suggest you printout on flyers your grievances you posted on this board verbatim, and flood Karachi with it. I’m sure it will catch the attention of “All Tuff” and his goondas, not to mention of the Federal Govt. currently run by a paan-chewing, pichkari-spitting bhayya. Don’t forget to have your full name, phone number, and your address on the flyers. If you are short of cash to print those flyers, the Mohajirs of Chowk will be happy to chip-in to pay for them.
The question is, do you have the balls to do that or you are just talk and no action?
Now you are really pissing me off. :) Just because some paan-chewing Mohajir dude, originally from Bareilly, swiped your cell phone and urinated on your shoes, after having passionate sex, while you were walking near Empress Market on Preedy Street, on your way to Zaibunissa Street (sorry Elphinstone St, or was it Victoria?), with your sugarcane handled umbrella to keep you all gora gora, you are all over Chowk with your racism, bigotry, and class-action lawsuits. Please get over it. I am sure he did not shoot that paan pichkari on your horn-rimmed glasses on purpose. Please come back to Karachi from Hooooston, or Awwstin, or Dullllaaaaaaaaas, or Sssan Antaaanio, or whereever you are - cussing at wetbacks as they pee in the Rio Grande on their way across the border.
Aasif:
It seems that as usual the urdu-speaker`s huffing and puffing in your post is rather obvious. I would invite you to the era of 1970`s, and around Burns Road, where almost all colleges were primarily filled with urdu-speakers.
Let us take a snap shot of S.M. College, and D.J College, and of course N.E.D. Engg. College. Almost all students entering those colleges were urdu-speakers. Yet, they joined hands with Jamaat-e-Islami in sloganeering ``merit merit, we want merit.`` This was the beginning of hate almost universally instilled by the JI gangsters, and the urdu-speakers got involved in such acts.
Ok...let us go and check all the government offices and you will notice urdu-speaking bureaucrats. No one in the world with any knowledge of economy would claim that bureaucrats are good for business. So how can urdu-spaekers claim that Karachi was developed by them?
Now, if the urdu-speaking community want to take credit (like they always do) of events that they did not generate then so be it. Right up to the mid-1970`s all the businesses in Karachi was conducted either by Bohras, Memons, Ismailis, or immigrants of Rann of Kach, and some were from Sialkot and Chinoat. And even till this day, most of them do not support the thugs of the All Tuff and his goonda brigade.
Not much can be said about the jealousy that urdu-speaking paan kay pichkari waaley mohajirs, as far as developing Karachi. Yes, I did find a lot of them as Qasais or maximum some Nihari shop.
{You have repeatedly referred to all mqm supporters and urdu speaking mohajirs in very unflattering terms the least i could do is refer to how the largesse of the british have been very kind to those you admire along with dog bathers of british.}
And that is exactly where I am showing you the mirror. Urdu-speaking mohajirs have been involved in killing of Karachiites, and those lowly parsees have not killed a single soul. Hell, they used to take care of british dogs.
BTW, we respect dogs. I want you to start respecting humans. Is that asking too much from the goondas of All Tuff?
MQM has been involved in murdering Karachiites. Any nuances by you or by anyone else would not help. Only a complete and unequivocal apology to the citizens of Karachi is needed.
{Whether the dispossessed pakistanis who were forced to migrate twice in a quarter of a century were the cause of the tensions or the feudal ahole and his so called populist antics to consolidate power (nationalization, urban vs rural divide, language issues, refusal to repatriate east pakistanis) and the preceding 15+ years of military intervention is anyones guess.}
How many businesses of urdu-speaking mohajirs got nationalized? None.
Aasif, have you lost your sense in your own jibberish?
Cowasjee lost his shipping lines and was jailed, and yet he does not have a single good word to say about All Tuff and his goonda brigade.
{There were educated ppl in what is now pakistan before partition but they belonged to 2 categories. Those educated in missionary schools and those who knew urdu as a second language. As they say lahore had a sizeable population who spoke urdu along with punjabi.}
And that was the reason that urdu-speakers went on a rampage during language riots of the early 1970`s? O! common give me a fraking break.
{The overwhelming majority as it was as it is now was uneducated. The percentage of illiteracy far higher than those of the immigrant who had a sizeable middle class and descendent of the erstwhile salariat. }
So produce mass killers, and badmaash and dadaageers, and goondas, and terrorists. Are you making sense to your own self?
{it is no wonder that urdu became the national language of pakistan.... }
Urdu language was always the national language of Pakistan. I can vouch for how powerful my urdu is. I learnt Urdu in a Parsee School. So much for your nonsense and spreading hate. You want sympathy of your downtrodden people, and yet you educate them to kill.
When was the last time All Tuff and his gangsters started cleaning up the city of Karachi and asked its citizens not to pee on the streets of Karachi after having sex with their spouse?
Respectfully submitted,
Janaab Ahmadzai mohtaram,
Agar aap aur aap ke humumr, Janaab Mahapunju Doghlawalla Sahib, itni taassub ki baateN na shru kartay, to yeh din na dekhnay paRtay. Afsos ki baat yeh hey, ke jab aapko HinduoN, IssayoN, YahudioN, ya SikhoN se laRna hota he to hummari yaad farmaatey heN - jub mulk meN aman hota he, to aap log MohajiroN ka qatl-e-aam munaqid kartey heN. Jab koi wabaaaen ya zalzale aatey heN, to phir MohajiroN ke madadkhwa hotey heN. Jab sab kuch theek lag raha hota he to behr-e-Arab meN hum logoN ko Dibo ke rukhsat karney ki koshish shru kardetay heN. Sharam aani chahye aap ``Pisser-e-zameen`` logoN ko. Mazaq to aap ka uR raha he yahaaN par.
Maan Karacchiia maan aahiyaan. Peshab khano kithay ahay? :)
Look closely, it is batli vala who has spewed the most bakvaas. He must have had a few too many of his batlees... ...(ps: i said goad not gored ! :) ``}
Aasif Bhai,
Nothing like knowledge and wit to refute the lies and generalizations of Shri Behram Rustumji Sohrabji SaRakdhonewalla. :) Thank you for stepping in and rectifying matters by restoring the sugarcanes to their proper resting place. Before being goaded and thankfully not gored, I was trying to highlight the plight and desperation of ``stranded`` Pakistani women in BD as they convert to Christianity to feed their families. I did not mean to start this pissing contest with Behramji Batliwalla, Mahapunju Tahmed Doghlawalla or Saeen ``Mohajir Na Khappan`` HP. My thanks to Godot Sahib, Raw_Dust, and Echo Bhai for contributing to the attempted enlightenment of Behram, HP, aquaris, and Tahmed16.
While on the topic of public urination, may I remind Behramji that we Muslims piss in mosques. So do the right wing Hindus, but they use the main building. Everywhere in the Muslim world, people use the wazoo facilities of mosques to relieve themselves without pissing off people like Behramji. In Turkey, there are so many mosques that there is no need to search for McDonald restaurants and their normally clean facilities. Can Mohajirs help it if downtown Karachi has always lacked a sufficient number of mosques?
Also, I do want to object to high buildings that attract large birds of prey. Apparently, a Belgian tourist was savagely attacked prematurely while getting a real suntan on top of a high-rise hotel in Karachi (or maybe it was Mumbai).
Now all I want to know is: what the hell is a batli wala?? behram?? aasif??
in india a parsee has a nice social net thanks to the parsee trust fund fed by our tatas and wadias. you can get stuff like nice homes in parsee colony or education assistance etc. do you have that in pakistan? if yes, as a pure zartrusti, do you get to dip in that? maybe if you had that you wont feel so lost. and if you feel lost inspite of that that is tough thing, and i feel really bad for you.
anyways, how are the dark ugly hindus girls these days? long time no mention?








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