Ahmer Muzammil April 25, 2006
Harry,
Only 50%? Judging by the intelligence of Mulayam Singh and Laloo Prasad, also I believe the Maywati was also there somewhere, not to mention Sonia Gandhi, Rahul Gandhi, and Priyanka Gandhi, along with Mrs. Sanjay Gandhi, it is more like 75%. Altaf Bhai is further proof of that strange phenomenon. :)
[#561,
Thank you Aasif Bhai. This explains the large emigration of Mohajirs from Pakistan. I wonder if Pakistan has benefited from this brain drain.]
I wouldn`t know about that but it is a fact that when the Mohajirs migrated from Bihar and UP to Pakistan, the IQ at both ends (UP and Bihar being one and Pakistan the other) went up by 50%!
Jang:
In late 50s to a 10 year old that road outside Cawnpore Kotwali, one that went to Bada Chauraha, was impressive the entrance to Kotwali look very big to soon to be teenager.
I used to walk in front of it twice a day to school in 5th and 6th grade.
I did not mean Mulganj in the way you mean. I was only talking from the decay, dirt and cars being parked in the middle of Meston Road.
I certainly missed the scene in Bunty aur Babli.
Anil
#567 by jang
Now I am telling you to heel...Achaar would follow...
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``I am referring to the bullcrap myth that at the time of partition, the only people who were educated in this part of the world, where the urdu speaking migrants and rest were just illiterate red indians. This shit goes along with the superiority of urdu langauge over the others too. While paunjabis are quite comfortable with their own language and heritage but others are quite apprehensive. Isn`t it the fact that when urdu was in its formative years there were masterpieces being created in Punjabi as Baba farid, Guru nanak, Bulleh shah, Waris shah were penning their epics. On the other hand sindh has a long tradition of creating literature with names like Shah Bhitai, Qazi Ayaz, Chachnama etc.``
1 - The myth of Urdu speaking being Ehle-Zubaan and Mohazzab or the true inheritors of muslim high culture of inida is just a lot of hot air. And you prolly agree, that every group got its own 2-bit story about the ``grand`` traditions of their past. Every group likes to hype their own kind with certain patterns of BS. Lahoris got their own spiel and Jatts from gujrat got their own, Arayains say they were oppressed by jatts but produced the real intellectuals compared to low iq crude Jaatts who were powerful and land owners.etc etc.
2 - In my observation (very personal) karachiites/urdu speakers tend to be more sensitive to people`s ethnic background than say a punjabi. So yeah, they tend to be more prejudiced.I say it`s prolly has to do with the inherent insecurities that a migrant has to deal with. just ike pakistanis who move to the west tend to remain with their own crowd and such.
3 - I agree with you on imposition of Urdu. It was catastrophic for Pakistan (the real one that existed pre-1971). I had come across translations of sheikh ayaz and anonymous sindhi short story writers and enjoyed them alot. A little bit of Bulleh Shah too. So, definitely comparing urdu lit. with any other lit. is kind of stupid.
I have different ideas than the uncle types here who are getting all so worked up in their very ``civilized`` exchanges. I am better off with my uncivilized crew at quetta hotel @ nipa chowrangi over a chai paratha.
Excellent job...I will read them and comment on them if necessary, later..
Thank you Aasif Bhai. This explains the large emigration of Mohajirs from Pakistan. I wonder if Pakistan has benefited from this brain drain.
Attracting enrollment in Sindh was probably a case of a need for better publicity. In
reflected a mohajir-Sindhi dichotomy and therefore created a high level of tension between the two communities. It isnot surprising that students belonging to these communities emerged in leadership positions in their respective nationalist movements. <b> The mohajirpolitical party, the MQM was established by the founder-leaders of a student organisation APMSO (All Pakistan Mohajir Student Organisation), led by Altaf Hussain in both cases. In the case of the Sindhi nationalist movement, students provided the cadre and core constituency of G M Syed`s Jiye Sindh Mohaz and later formed a breakaway faction of that party. A heightened sense of alienation prevailed on both sides of the ethnic divide. Mohajir students with better grades were denied admission to
The critical move in the direction of removing the quota system was taken by the caretaker government of Mairaj Khalidin January 1997. This government was ideally placed in a position where it could take a controversial decision because it was not dependent on keeping members of parliament on its side in the event of a showdown. The cabinet decided on the recommendations of a task force reviewing discretionary powers vested in the ministries/divisions that admissions to educational institutions should be regularized. This meant: no quotas; selection to be on the basis of committee decisions and not on an individual basis; and no quotas for defence services.32 Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif ordered that all federal and provincial discretionary quotas for jobs, allotment of plots, admissions to schools/colleges, and grant of scholarships should be abolished forthwith.33 There was confusion about whether the discretionary quotas listed to be eliminated included provincial/regional/district quotas as well, whether foreign and selffinancing students fell under that category, and whether any or all of these categories were ‘quotas’ or ‘reservations’ to be continued or
discontinued.34 A spirit of caution prevailed in the corridors of power on these and related issues in order to avoid a new spurt of confusion as opinion on the question of quota continued to be deeply divided. It is unlikely that the debate about affirmative action policies will disappear from public fora in the near future. First, too many vested interests ranging from university employees and teachers to various designated underprivileged communities and regions have a stake in maintaining the quota system. The government may like to take the sting out of the new policy measure by offering some ad hoc appointments to these groups or slowing down the process of implementation of this policy or being selective in categorising certain quotas which would not be abolished. Secondly, a great deal of tension is rooted in the parallel problem of issuance of domicile certificates which provide the legal basis of defining provincial/regional quotas. This involves a huge task of streamlining administration at the service-giving end and making the whole process of issuing domicile certificates fully transparent. Thirdly, in the context of
Mohammad Waseem is Quaid-i-Azam Fellow, St. Anthony’s College,
from here
three major quota systems have been in operation. The first system, introduced in September 1948, provided for a regional/provincial model of recruitment.
| Region / Province Quota | % | Population % |
| | 42 | 56.75 |
| (West) | 24 | 28.00 |
| | 2 | 1.50 |
| All other provinces and princely states of | 17 15 | 13.75 |
| Potential migrants from | | (Included in the above) |
It is instructive to see that
| Category | Quota % |
| Merit | 20 |
| | 40 |
| | |
| | |
| All other provinces and princely states | |
militant form of nationalism under the leadership of AltafHussain within a decade and half of the extension ofthe quota system to the urban and rural sectors in Sindh.The 1973 Constitution not only kept the quota system alive but also extendedthe period of its enactment by another 10 years. It provided for theaccommodation of hundreds of thousands of people in Sindhwho had come from
| | Quota % |
| Merit | 10 |
| | 50 |
| Sindh | 19 (Rural 11.4, Urban 7.6) |
| NWFP | 11.5 |
| | 3.5 |
| Northern Areas and | 4 |
| Azad Kashmir | 2 |
The quota for jobs for these regions was meant to bring their elites into the national circuit in education and jobs and thus keep their perceived grievances from developing into hard political demands. In regional terms, this represented a slow but steady current of opportunities moving in the direction of the upcountry areas in terms of new jobs at the expense of the southern part of
The new quota system did not provide a separate share for
Successive governments in
In this context, the relevance of the wide abuse of domicile certificates for appointment of jobs against provincial/regional quota needs to be mentioned. During the first decade after partition many of those who migrated from
| | 1973 | | 1983 | | 1986 | |
| All | Senior | All | Senior | All | Senior | |
| Punjabi | 49.3 | 53.5 | 54.9 | 55.8 | 55.3 | 57.7 |
| Pathan | 10.5 | 7 | 13.4 | 11.6 | 12.6 | 12.1 |
| Sindhi | 3.1 | 2.7 | 5.4 | 5.1 | 7.2 | 6.7 |
| Mohajir | 30.1 | 33.5 | 17.4 | 20.2 | 18.2 | 18.3 |
| NA | 2.6 | 1.3 | 3.6 | 3.4 | 1.4 | 1.5 |
| AJK | 1.8 | 0.5 | 1.9 | 0.9 | 1.7 | 0.7 |
| Total | 100 | 100 | 100 | 100 | 100 | 100 |
Source: Charles H.Kennedy, ‘Managing Ethnic Conflict :The Case of
A few years later, the situation on the ground changed further.
| Region | Ratio of Jobs (%) | Quota (%) |
| | 62.36 | 50 |
| Sindh (Urban) | 9.51 | 7.5 |
| Sindh (Rural) | 7.63 | 11.4 |
| NWFP | 12.41 | 11.5 |
| | 3.01 | 3.5 |
| NA/FATA | 3.69 | 4 |
| AJK | 1.29 | 2 |
Representation inAutonomous Bodies/Public Corporations : 1993
| Province | Number | Percentage | Quota |
| | 25,772 | 49.94 | 50 |
| Sindh (Urban) | 13,815 | 26.77 | 7.6 |
| Sindh (Rural) | 4,213 | 8.16 | 11.4 |
| NWFP | 5,249 | 10.17 | 11.5 |
| | 1,255 | 2.43 | 3.5 |
| NA | - | - | - |
| FATA | 638 | 1.24 | 4 |
| AJK | 664 | 1.29 | 2 |
Source: EstablishmentDivision, Government of Pakistan, Islamabad,Statementshowing Number of Employees, Province and Grade wise, in BPS 17 and aboveworking in the Autonomous/Semi-Autonomous Bodies/Corporations of the FederalGovernment, 1January 1993
An offshoot of these affirmative action policies was the provision for relaxation of rules relating to age, qualification and experience for candidates from the underdeveloped regions. This happened as elected governments were installed in the federal and provincial capitals in the 1970s and again after martial law was lifted in 1985.18 Democracy in the post-military state of
Various other forms of reservations in the services operated which were less controversial and were therefore not on the agenda of political parties. For example, it was required that one percent of the total number of jobs should be reserved for disabled persons.23 Similarly, the upper age limit was relaxed in the case of released/retired officers/personnel of the Pakistan armed forces upto a maximum of 10 years for both ex-cadre
The quota system operated in educational institutions along regional as well as other lines. For example, the University of Arid Agriculture reserved seats along the following lines: rain-fed districts (bypassing canal irrigated districts of central and southern Punjab); provincial quotas for provinces of SindhBaluchistan and NWFP to be nominated by their respective governments; the district of Islamabad; and FATA, Azad Kashmir and Northern Areas, to be nominated by itsdirector agriculture, Azad Kashmir government and the director education Gilgit respectively; sports quota; children of agricultural graduates; self-finance scheme whereby students paid a heavy fee and thus ‘bought’ their way into the university; foreign students; Pakistan army; Pakistan air force; children of the university employees; and vice chancellor`s quota.26 Similarly, the University of Agriculture, Faisalabadprovided quotas for admissions for the following categories: sports quo; district quota; employees quota; graduates’ children quota; co-curricular quota; and children of overseas Pakistanis/minority communities.27Federal universities such as Quaid-i-Azam University (QAU) Islamabad and Allama IqbalOpen University (AIOU) Islamabad followed the same schedule for reservation of seats which operated in the job sector, ranging from 50% for Punjab to 2% for Azad Kashmir, along with sectoralquotas for Sindh. The QAU experienced a keen competition among students from all over
You are rapidly disintegrating. I am afraid for your continued presence. Please desist from this typically ``Pisser-e-Zameen`` behavior of discussing motherhood. We all have mothers and they are all good - so keep them out of the discussion. Thank you. Go, go to Sugar`s as I told you. Cool down. As the Aussies say, you appear to be pissed. Nothing about being angry, just don`t post while you are pissed.
Okay guys...it is getting out of hand now...
Behram calm down...no need to get dirty....
No more posts please....
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