Iran, Geopolitics and the Bomb

Naqshbandi: you write ``It was only a matter of time before they came after Iran. `

after 7 years on chowk, you are as stupid as the first day you came. and still living in the west (the sinister ``they`` above) , while pining for iran where they would kick your naqshbandi ass from tehran to zahedan if you ever chose to go an live there!!

#65 ``based on universal principles of fairness and equality. ``

we are not talking ghulab jaman where everyone needs a fair share in the interests of fairness and equality. we are talking bombs, or bums as jang puts it!! wake up and smell the coffee. what earthly need do the iranian mullahs have for the bum? the mullahs callousness towards human life is well proven by the 10 year iran-iraq war where they fought like a bunch of incompetents, achieving nothing but killing a million ``soldiers of islam`` (read: fools) on both sides. in pakistan, qazi hussain ahmed was openly wondering after 1998 what good a bum is if you dont use it!! and you are talking about giving these nuts the bum in the interests of fairness and equality!!

you talk about civil society?? then talk about getting the world free of bums, not adding more to them.

Some idiot on this forum said that Paki ``mizaile`` are liquid fuel based and probably obsolete. Well just check the web ``shite`` called

http://www.missilethreat.com

And educate yourself. India has more liquid fuel based missile systems than Pakiland. Russian technology is dying buddy. Wake up and try to get chinese weapons or just come to uncle sam and get the goodies by selling the left over dhotis.

India
Agni 1 Solid/Liquid
Agni 1A Solid
Agni 2 Solid
Agni 3 Solid/Liquid

Dhanush Liquid

Pirthivi 1 Liquid
Pirthivi 2 Liquid
Pirthivi 3 Liquid

Suriya Solid/Liquid



Pakistan
Ghauri Liquid
Hatf 1 Solid
Hatf 2 Solid
Hatf 2A Solid
Hatf 3 Solid
Hatf 4 Solid
Hatf 5 Liquid
Hatf 5A Liquid
Hatf 6 Solid

Asfand Siddiqui

Taqdeer ke qazi ka yeh fatwa hai azal se
Hai jurm-e-zaifi ki saza marg-e-mafajat

I guess Iran is trying to break the ``zaifi`` by making the BOOOM, atomic that is.

Asfand Siddiqui

i was listening to some program on radio about irani bum, and the talking heads from washington think-tanks were of the view that
1. iranis are far far away from any real-threat bum(s)
2. they want to get an enrichment cycle going for the sake of pride
3. given 1 and 2, they would be ``allowed`` to do it, with more observers IETA etc..keep feet on the street. a nice enrichment cycle does not hurt anyone, as far as it makes a few grams a year was the view.
4. israel is down with 1-3, but still may make noise.
5. all ``sunni`` neighbor countries (KSA, emirates, turks, azeris, khurds..) are scared of irani regime
6. most iranis (in and out of the country) want nuke tech but not necessarily nuke bums

basically the claim was as far as iran allows inspection regime, they will be ``allowed`` some nuke tech. they will be offcourse be sent the second-strike plans etc..

nice article

kashkin

#65 rf786

``True, this is a unipolar world and odds are stacked against Iran. But that should`nt prevent us (the masses) from voicing our dissent or presenting counter balancing arguements. ``

no one wants iran to make nukes.

the most people want is instead of referring to UNSC, it should be resolved outside it, maybe IAEA.

as i said earlier may be iran will take russias services to enrich uranium outside iran.

or it will end like saddam, who inspite of not having any weapons kept on delaying the entry of inspectors thereby playing into the hands of bush.

#62 rf786:

Israels hostility to anything threatening itself is very well known.

Sharon himself (just days before his stroke) had declared that his neighbourhood is a very dangerous place and to survive they need to be ready for any eventuality.

Israel is a threat to iran`s nukes not to iran itself. they are not thinking of throwing iranis into caspian or persian gulf. do you think a 6 million naiton will subjugate 60 million iranians? They havn`t even acquired any iranian land and don`t want to. but they do percieve iranian nukes as a threat to their existence. and its no brainer why iran wants a nuke.

so did mention about a left-inclined Knesset member who objected to israels ethno-bomb activity. do you think the mullah-gatekeeper would allow any person, who doesn`t hold similar views as him, into the Majlis? thats why you have a person like Ahmad at the helm of affirs. hearing him, lalu seems atleast 10 times better.

regarding pak, may be mossad already had a thick file on the father of paki nuclear bomb. and if 9/11 would not have focussed khans ``charitable`` activities, may be in a decade there would been a dozen islamic nations wielding nuclear bombs. this aspect may have been a welcome change for muslims in general, but not to the developed world.
also, initially it was also regarded as an ``islamic`` bomb whatever it meant.

even now i am pretty sure, some one has a blueprint of how to nuetralise paks nuclear asset, in case mushy is blown to bits.

Netizen #53, {``the sad part is, only the powerful states ``haves`` write the law and theres no much the ``haves-not`` can do about it. ``}

Netti,
Thanks for being so honest. Yes, the west, especially the US, is very apprehensive about any country, friend or foe, all except Israel of course, acquiring nuclear technology. But to be fair, for a long time after WWII, it was the US using subtle blackmail about using the ``hydorgen`` bomb against adversaries from Korea to Vietnam. I do agree with your ``LaaThi and Bhains`` principle.

Arjun No. 63
True, this is a unipolar world and odds are stacked against Iran. But that should`nt prevent us (the masses) from voicing our dissent or presenting counter balancing arguements.

I disagree on accepting harsh realities as the fiat accomplie, realpolitike maybe the only choice for states, but civil society has a responsibility to express its views based on universal principles of fairness and equality.

It’s really interesting that One and a Half Million (1,500,000) Iranians (including thousands upon thousands of kids 14 and under) were killed (a lot of them gassed) by fellow Muslims, and now all of them are wishing for Iran to acquire nukes? Are you out of your tiny little minds? Do you think that Iranians have forgotten the rotten eggs that were served to them by the Islamic world at large? Hello people. Please wake up.

The only thing that unites muslims is hatred.

#62 by rf786 on January 23, 2006 11:51am PT

Here`s the reality...The predominant world order considers Iran a threat..you can choose to ignore that world order and go it yourself..then you`ll be like North Korea.. or you can choose to live with the predominant world order..

The predominant world order considers Iranian nukes a threat and doesn`t consider ISraeli nukes a threat...Is that fair? Maybe not...but is the US bombing Paki territory or forcing AQ Khan into house arrest fair to most pakis..surely not..yet you have no choice but to live with it because you choose to live with the predominant world order..

in short...life`s not fair..if the west says Iranian nukes are a threat and you choose to live in a system dominated by the west, you have no choice but to accept that..

No.50 Netizen
Enclosed please find some official statements and policy initiatives expressed by various Israeli officials.


Israeli Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz has hinted Israel is preparing for military action to stop Iran`s nuclear program, but says international diplomacy must be the first course of action.

``Arabs may have the oil, but we have the matches.`` Ariel Sharon

In 1998, the Sunday Times reported that Israel, using research obtained from South Africa, was developing an ``ethno bomb; ``In developing their ``ethno-bomb``, Israeli scientists are trying to exploit medical advances by identifying distinctive a gene carried by some Arabs, then create a genetically modified bacterium or virus... The scientists are trying to engineer deadly micro-organisms that attack only those bearing the distinctive genes.`` Dedi Zucker, a leftist Member of Knesset, the Israeli parliament, denounced the research saying, ``Morally, based on our history, and our tradition and our experience, such a weapon is monstrous and should be denied.``


In 1983 Sharon proposed to India that it join with Israel to attack Pakistani nuclear facilities; in the late 70s he proposed sending Israeli paratroopers to Tehran to prop up the Shah; and in 1982 he called for expanding Israel`s security influence to stretch from ``Mauritania to Afghanistan

Rabin told Israel’s Knesset (parliament) in 1993 that Israel’s “struggle against murderous Islamic terror” was “meant to awaken the world which is lying in slumber” of the dangers of Shi’a fundamentalism. “Death is at our doorstep”, Rabin said of Iran – though he only five years earlier dismissed Iran’s rhetoric as inconsequential.

Mossad head: Nuclear Iran is worst-ever threat to Israel,`` Haaretz, November 17, 2003, .

Ross Dunn, ``Israel threatens strikes on Iranian nuclear targets,`` The Scotsman, November 23, 2003, .

``Israel ready to launch preemptive strike on nuclear sites in Iran,`` AFP, 11 October 2003, .

#60 hp:

i have met eastern europeans who have anti-jew biases, but they are fine with jews leaving for israel/america. but at the same time they really don`t care about kicking them out of israel for palestanians nor do they cheer when hamas bombs them.

Kulharee,

I made a distinction between ``policy and radical`` statement. Mukhtarian bai comments were not ``policy`` statements. But Mushy`s comments about India and Kashmir are always cleared by the foreign Ministry.

Neti,

New Europe in Rummy’s book. I am talking about some eastern European countries that still have biases against the Jews. I think my reference is clear and your guess about the ME is right too, their govts may not, but people can.

58/kul

That muat be Mushy`s own idea - the guy yaps a lot and is in love with his own voice ....... I don`t think anybody in paki foreign office would be that stupid.... but then, who knows.....