Iran, Geopolitics and the Bomb

Re # 56

>>>>Presidents of any country never talk or issue statements without clearance form the foreign ministries first. Every policy statement or a radical statement goes thru a process.<<<<

HP Sahib, I would like to know who in the Foreign Office gave Mushy the go ahead to ridicule MukhtaraN Mai and other rape victims in an interview to the Washington Post?

Hp:

``There is an audience for his remark in the ME and in Eastern Europe. There are many people in the world that have said exactly the same things that Ahmadinejad said. ``

eastern europe? isn`t this the ``new europe``. I understand about ME but who are these people in eastern europe who want to dump the jews into the mediterranean? also people in ME may want to throw the jews out but their gov. can`t even think about uttering such words except for maybe syria.

i think his remarks were for domestic consumption.

Two assertions have been made here and it would be a good idea to address them.
1. President Ahmadinejad’s remarks about Israel
2. A comment about Noora Kushti or feeding frenzy between the US and Iran

President Ahmadinejad remarks about Israel. He is not a lunatic or making some off the cuff comments. We may differ with the Islamic ideology but Iranians have vast experience in managing and running their country. Strategically, politically and diplomatically Iranians are far smarter than any country in that region. Iranians have a rich culture and barring a short period of time in their history, they have always been able to maintain sovereign and independent governments in Iran for more than 4000 years. The change of ideology does not change the habits and culture of a country.

Even today, with a hostile US breathing down their neck for the last 28 years, they have been able to maintain some strong relations with different countries in the world and still have enough clout to make it difficult for the US or make the US think twice before any knee jerk reaction about any issue. There are huge differences in Iraq and Iran situation. Iran is a much more powerful country with more population and military strength to be taken lightly by anyone. The US knows that and would not venture in there without months of preparations.

What Ahmadinejad said was with full knowledge and approval of the Iran foreign ministry.

Presidents of any country never talk or issue statements without clearance form the foreign ministries first. Every policy statement or a radical statement goes thru a process. Iranians are astute diplomats and would not allow Ahmadinejad to say something ridiculous until they have some purpose behind it.

There is an audience for his remark in the ME and in Eastern Europe. There are many people in the world that have said exactly the same things that Ahmadinejad said. His remarks have a context and a purpose. There is no reason to call him lunatic or crazy because he made some political statements.

Second issue: #34 masadi comments, “ To me it seems like a classic, ``you scratch my back I scratch yours`` scenario. The US gets to keep a perpetual threat in that region alive now that Iraq has turned sour, while Iran gets to feed off of the US doing its bidding and sending that bank robber Ahmad Chalabi to visit with the Iranian elite time and again. Something smells awful in this ``love/hate`` relationship between Iran and the US.”

This is a plausible scenario. If the Iranian threat is removed, Israel becomes just another country in the ME. With Iraq gone and Iran threat taken care of Israel’s strategic position would take a nose dive immediately. Contrary to Some suggestions, it is the US which has more control over Israel than vice versa. Jewish lobby firms have clout as long as they are allowed to have that.

If there is no Iran, who would the US have to boot around? Anti Americanism helps the Mullah internally too.

infact the iranians and the taliban were heading for a showdown.

Re # 52

Poochie, Wahabis financed Iraq-Iran War.. all the ammu to Iraq was unloaded at Saudi Eastern ports (you probably wouldn’t know where that is until you take your head out of your molvi’s ass), and Iran has always expressed disdain for the Saudi Wahaibs for oppression of Shias in the Eastern Part of Saudi Arabia. Now go back and put your head back where it was. Good boy.

#51 salim

Thanks to the enthusiam shown by osama and co. the developed world is very apprehensive of nuclear states mushrooming around the globe.

india and pak, i guess were fortunate enough to get slapped by sanctions only by u.s.

now the scenario is such that even if the peaceful and white finland were to acquire nukes, the ``haves`` would go against it. or would it? i think so.

also, the nation which openly supported a militant group involved in massacres and has declared annihilation of israel as its birth-right doesn`t make anyone happy about it aquiring nukes.

the sad part is, only the powerful states ``haves`` write the law and theres no much the ``haves-not`` can do about it.

re Kalharee #48

``The country where the national slogan is “Marge-ba-Amrika” (death to America) should be bombed the hell out of. Why don’t they say Marge-ba-Iraq or Marge-ba-Wahaibis who killed over a million Iranians not too long ago? Iran wants to be the big bully in the region full of morons (bar Israel). Hope they wake up from this dream and face the music. They should concentrate on making carpets (which they are good at) before they are carpet bombed by Israel.````

hey amrica ka pituu, If you realy know the circumtances could you tell us who Wahaibis are? Some people really don`t know history? I am beginning to understand your problem don`t worry you`ll get your visa.

{``An attack on Iran for enriching Uranium whilst leaving Israel alone despite it having a deadly arsenal of 200 plus thermonuclear bombs will further alienate the Muslim world ...``}

Asif Sahib,
Good article and a very pertinent topic for the times. While I have concerns about the proliferation of nuclear weapons, there are some powerful issues of fairness, racism, historical accuracy, and jingoism that need to be recognized:

Nuclear weapons are bad for everyone, not just Iran, Pakistan, and India.
Why are people of Asian, African origin not capable of handling nuclear weapons?
The same thing was said about China in the 60s.
The same thing was said about India and Pakistan in the 80s.
Who was the first and only power to use nuclear weapons on human victims?
Why should only people of European origin be trusted with nuclear weapons?
Israel has been involved in more than three wars and several skirmishes since it was founded. Can it be trusted not to ever use nuclear weapons?

#49 rf786

``Israeli leaders make equally provocative statements regarding Iran or other Muslim groups?``

Muslim groups like hamas, fatah, al jihad???
are there other muslim groups i missed.

regarding iran, what provocative staements were made by them? i would like to know.

regarding israel-egypt peace, my point was irrespective of how it happened israel would like to have diplomatic relations with any nations including muslims. it is iran which doesn`t want it. do you remember the judo athlete who refused to fight an israelis and got a lot of admiration back home.

you are right, many mistakes were made by u.s., israel, india in the past. but does that give hamas, taliban, LTTE the right to continue? these groups are no longer in their control.

re: Netizen #47

Illegitimate because it was imposed upon the Arab majority for sins committed by European christians. Frankly speaking, theocratic governments thrive on rhetoric and xenophobia, why doesnt the world feel threatned when Israeli leaders make equally provocative statements regarding Iran or other Muslim groups? Iran has yet to act on its empty threats, whereas Israel has demonstrated intent and ability, yet no remorse.

Israel has found peace with Egpyt, Jordan, Turkey, Morrocco, all of them can be best described as US client states or US sponsored/approved Governments.

Hezbullah are supported byt he Iranians, that maybe true, then again it was the American support to Afghan religious right which led to the creation of taliban and Al Qaeda. Hamas was supported by Israeli intelligence as a counterweight against PLO, so where does this take us? No where. States such as Israel have caused more human tragedies than the armed militias mentioned, does anyone bother to question state of Israel?

The country where the national slogan is “Marge-ba-Amrika” (death to America) should be bombed the hell out of. Why don’t they say Marge-ba-Iraq or Marge-ba-Wahaibis who killed over a million Iranians not too long ago? Iran wants to be the big bully in the region full of morons (bar Israel). Hope they wake up from this dream and face the music. They should concentrate on making carpets (which they are good at) before they are carpet bombed by Israel.

re: rf786 #45

``Both, the Iranian and Israeil states are dominated by a religious doctrine which cannot enter into a dialogue with the other, they are both mutually exclusive rendering any chances of finding a solution null and void. ``

iranian govt. does even consider israel right to exist. they call it an ``illegitimate`` country which should be destroyed. thats the problem. israel will be more than happy to have relations with muslim countries as they have with egypt, turkey, jordan. (and now pakistan trying to befriend it for ammo.) as having diplomatic relations will give further strenghten israels right to exist.

also, isn`t the shia-hezbollah supported by iranians.

masadi:

could you please reply to #125 and #127 on ``Digital Giant`` board.

Your artcle raises various issues, American hegemon policies, Israeli axis, complete subjugation of western press and Persian civilization. Lets take them one by one.

American policy of preemption (better described as hegemony) has been the major source of unrest, states like North Korea have added to the perception that the only way to defend is offence and to ward off American unilateral policies the only option is nuclear capability. This counteroffensive can only succeed when states can deliver a comprehensive and definite threat, unfortunately for Iranian Govt they are decades away from that capability and surrounded by sunni dominated states who would like nothing better than a neutralized shia power.

At the center of this entire controversy is the state of Israel, no doubt about that. It is their sense of state security which considers Iranian technological advances as a threat which needs to be neutralized. Both, the Iranian and Israeil states are dominated by a religious doctrine which cannot enter into a dialogue with the other, they are both mutually exclusive rendering any chances of finding a solution null and void.

Iran has clreic dominated/directed/vetted democracy which can never be a good thing for anyone, especially the Iranians. Democracy in its true spirit cannot be cloned for a particular school of thought or group of people. Mullahs/Ayatollahs are also responsible for bringing Iranians closer to this situation, instead of choosing the path of moderation and particiaption they have opted for exclusivity and hardline approach. Whether they succeed or fail has yet to be decided, but dark clouds of American preemption are gathering over Iranian skies.

Dear Chowk Staff:

This is going to be an explosive site. Shortly, factoid junkie Arjun_m is going to innundate us with his cut & paste technolgy and his venom against Pakistan. For what Pakistan becomes the topic of discussion only his corrupt mind would know.

And then that other danger to humanity creature who calls himself rsridhar. He can never make up his mind (as he himself has acknowledge that his brains are in his b@lls), whether he likes or hates Pakistanis. This creature has continuously be seen spewing hate on these chowk sites.

And of course there is yet another creature that has been spotted who calls himself Ajeya. He is still a novice in this world, but is fast learning the hate from his mentors at the RSS.

And this has become the quality of your Chowk. No wonder, we do not see any new names coming on to your site any more. You must seriously consider your interact policy and not allow those Indians who are smelley, ugly and brainless on this site. You must be vigilant in allowing member privilages to interact with some modicom of decency.

Well, this is your site and you can make a decision. But, who soever I have personally invited, consider this site as junk yard, where Indians come and spew their hate CONSTANTLY against Pakistan and against muslims.

Obviously this should not be tolerated.

Respectfully submitted,

Ref: #34 by masadi on January 22, 2006 8:37pm PT
{Something smells awful in this ``love/hate`` relationship between Iran and the US.} That something is the Hindoo India`s @ss, not sure which side to turn their @ss to get their sugar cane therapy. As usual, these Indians will try to please their new masters the MNC`s and then at the same time would want to keep Nehru`s socialistic ideology alive. In the upcoming debate between Iran and the West, India would be the loser, once again in the world political arena.

Over 300 million Latin Americans are under some sort of a leftist government, and almost every where you see India is becoming a pariah nation. India is in favor of the MNC`s and there is a war against golbalization raging on. But, heck if Hindoos had any brains at the right place they would use it. Most Hindoos` brains are located between their legs. Hindoo mouths are independent of their brains. And that is one major reason they developed Yoga. In Yoga, they can bend over and bring their mouths closer to their brains, when they are shoving it up their stinking @ss. And all the more reason for them to be squatting on railroad tracks.

Indians are strange creatures for humans to understand.