Iran, Geopolitics and the Bomb

Nobody in the world wants you crazy jihadists to have The Bomb. In fact, I wouldn`t be surprised if Pakistan has already been de-fanged.

Camel jockeys on horses and camels were bad enough. The world doesn`t need you fcukers to have missiles and The Bomb.

Well Pakistan has already got missiles (as do a lot of Muslim countries) and we have The Bomb already so there, you bovine-phile.

An attack on Iran for enriching Uranium whilst leaving Israel alone despite it having a deadly arsenal of 200 plus thermonuclear bombs will further alienate the Muslim world and create more sympathy for al-Qaeda and other such groups.



Nothing short of praying 5 times a day in the direction of mecca ``alienated`` the muslims world and creates ``sympathy for Al-Qeada``..

The fact that muslims have sympathy for AQ, a terrorist group, should never be questioned...If they support a terrorist group, it`s someone else`s fault....Muslims are always above reproach.

Yet when there is backlash against muslims in the US and Europe, it`s the fault of the other side...muslims, with their theo van ghoghs and london bombings, are beyond reproach..

Why Iran and not Israel: Because Israel isn`t likely to use the weapons against the west..

#2 by Naqshbandi on January 22, 2006 5:24am PT

The west has your leaders...so the arab/muslim street can do squat... just look at mushy`s neutered reaction to the bombing in bajaur..

@harimau..
being a Muslim and having a bomb is not a threat..shun this notion implanted from the West that the Muslims are terrorists. If this would have been a case, no patch on earth would have been without being engaged in petty battles.

The one who oppose the concept have already tried it on the Japanese. Much more annihilation has been carried out in Iraq and Afghanistan, and when one Muslim T.V channel tries to cover it, it is threatened to be bombed. Is this not heart aching for the Muslim world. Although West shuns and opposes Muslims to have the bomb, yet it takes all the resources of OIL. Double standards?

Majority of the world population is either the product of media or illegal sex. What is painted is true, what lies within is illogical and irrelevant.
Mere puppets dance to the tunes made from fire in which they are to burn and dwell.

Pakistan has the bomb - the only Muslim nation to have it. If Pakistan would have been devoid of it, India would have usurped it back in 1998. And moreover the West fears the Islamic bloc.
Moreover, why does West throw a banter of a Muslim nation having the thing, when that country is third world. Can`t the west rely on its technology and innovate counter measures? Why would an elephant be threatened by an ant with iron armour?

When the west has double standards, so does Pakistan, one to safeguard its special interest and second to keep the west under the inflated notion that Pakistan is its ally. Can`t believe the west has been drawn into day dreaming.

Moreover, the West need not fear Iran, rather Pakistan. When Russia adventured with Pakistan on the Afghani soil, it had to see its last. The world should fear not terrorist but Pakistan!!!
For a second to be in the boots of an atheist, Russia was God. Pakistanis are breakers of Gods.

America should take heed of this.

The central thesis of this article - that Iran has the right to develop nuclear technology for peaceful means - is beyond any debate. However, one critical element that has not been given due credit in this article is the central role of Israel in creating this current crisis. America government and the american public are too exhausted, bloodied, and spent after the ill advised invasion of Iraq. They are not interested in starting another war. Europe too has its vested interests in the current setup of Iran. Europeans are doing brisk business with Iran in the absence of american competitors.

But there is ONE entity which is working day and night to make a war happen - and that entity is the illegal state of Israel. This tiny racist entity is pushing all its muscle on the impotent american congress and presidency. Hardly a day goes by when a senator or a congressman does not add fuel to the ``iran controversy`` by uttering jewish lobby fed words on Iran.

This illegal state of Israel has caused much damage to America and its prestige. Young boys from Detroit, Kansas, Vermont, New York were thrown into Iraq war for the security of Israel - not for the security of America. Billions of dollars that could have funded education and welfare of poor americans were instead diverted to a war that served NO ONE but Israel.

The sooner the middle america realize that their country has been held hostage by a foreign entity, the better it would be for protecting their way of life.

Ref Naqshbandi #2

[Well Pakistan has already got missiles (as do a lot of Muslim countries)..]

Actually, missiles with liquid fuel deteriorate over time. So the missiles that Saudi Arabia bought from China are pretty much useless; or, will soon be.

[.... and we have The Bomb already...]

Well, that is the questionable part. How much of the CIA snooping inside Pakistan is for the purpose of locating Osama and how much is for finding out where Mushy keeps his nukes is not known but you can be sure that the CIA is doing the latter more seriously than it is doing the former. After all, all RAND Corporation studies point to the disintegration of Pakistan in the next 30 years no matter what anybody does. And I am sure that Mushy has been told that Pakistan will be the next open-air nuclear testing ground if Pakistan so much as threatens the use of its nukes against any targets that the US considers to be in its vital interests. No matter what you guys may think of India, from the US viewpoint there is only one country that can be a counterweight in Asia to China and no, it ain`t Pakistan.

I am actually for selling fully developed nuclear bombs to North Korea and Taiwan, just to piss off Japan which will then develop its own nukes which will piss off China. Not at all a bad scenario, in my opinion. Somebody ought to put a few chillies up the Chinese butt.

Shouldn`t world community be more cautious of these neo-colonial thugs who actually possess the nuclear weapons and consider it their birth right to use it against any nation:



France defends right to nuclear reply to terrorism

BREST, France (Reuters) - France said on Thursday it would be ready to use nuclear weapons against any state that carried out a terrorist attack or used weapons of mass destruction against it.

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Reaffirming the need for its costly nuclear deterrent, President Jacques Chirac said security came at a price and France must be able to hit back hard at a hostile state`s centers of power and its ``capacity to act.``

Chirac`s speech pointed to a change of emphasis to underline the growing threat France perceives from terrorism.

``The leaders of states who would use terrorist means against us, as well as those who would consider using, in one way or another, weapons of mass destruction, must understand that they would lay themselves open to a firm and adapted response on our part,`` Chirac said at a northwestern nuclear submarine base.

``This response could be a conventional one. It could also be of a different kind,`` said Chirac, his most explicit linkage of a threat of a nuclear response to a terrorist attack.

Chirac, 73, who as president is commander-in-chief, said France`s nuclear forces had been reshaped with the new strategy in mind and the number of warheads on nuclear submarines had been reduced to allow targeted strikes.

Experts believe the French arsenal comprises some 300 warheads.

SECURITY TIGHT

``Against a regional power, our choice would not be between inaction or annihilation,`` Chirac said in his first major speech on France`s nuclear arms strategy since 2001.

``The flexibility and reactivity of our strategic forces would enable us to exercise our response directly against its centers of power and its capacity to act.``

Critics have questioned the role of France`s nuclear deterrent, which accounts for some 10 percent of the overall defense budget, in a post war world. Especially as France is struggling to haul its public deficit to below EU limits.

The Le Monde daily said Chirac was reaffirming nuclear deterrence ahead of 2007 presidential elections which could usher in a new leader less attached to the policy.

Barthelemy Courmont of France`s Institute for International and Strategic Relations, detected no major policy shift, saying: ``This is a development which is in line with the development of the international context.``

France has tightened security since Islamist suicide bombers killed more than 50 people in attacks in London last July and 190 people died in Madrid bomb attacks in March 2004.

Despite its strong opposition to the U.S.-led war in Iraq, France remains a target for Islamic militants because of its intelligence links with the United States and Britain.

France believes a radical Algerian Islamist group, the GSPC, has been in contact with al Qaeda`s leader in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, about launching attacks in France.

But Communist and disarmament groups said Chirac`s comments were irresponsible.

``Far from ridding France of nuclear weapons, the president is, on the contrary, considering the actual use of nuclear bombs,`` the Sortir du Nucleaire group said.

The revolution in Iran, way back in the late `70s, and culminating with the deprture of the Shah in the spring of 1980, was certainly not ``Islamic``. That is the first mistake the author makes.

If anything, the Iranian revolution was an example of how disparate elements from the extreme left through to the extreme right, and all points in between, got together as people from a country to get rid of a by then hated monarch. Even the Kurds co-operated, and that is saying something, with the Iranian revolution.

How this Iranian Revolution then brought forward an Islamic State, is something else again.

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I do agree with the analysis that the author presents, on the state and State of modern day Iran. If anything, in addition, this is a country where science and culture, books and movies, lifestyle and values, and more, have come together like in no other Islamic country in that part of the world.

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But will this alienate Israel?

Think again. That is the second mistake the author makes.

In a changing world scenario, is it difficult to imagine Israel partnering with some of its erstwhile foes? If the presence of an Emirates jet in Tel Aviv is any indication, as well as the diploamtic and other relations that Israel has with Qatar, then the backwards in the ``Muslim countries`` have more to fear than does far-away USA.

I would think that Iran having a bomb is less of a worry for Israel (even with all the outrage expressed by the Israelis), than it is to the Sunni world. The chance of Iranian nukes flying into tel avaiv are a lot less likely than Iranian nukes flying into Riyadh or Islamabad. The schizm within the muslim world is more dangerous to the counterparties than the supposed enmity towards the ``occupiers``. Iran knows that it will get spanked like a red headed stepchild byt he Israelis and the west but it can certainly play the ``me too`` card with the sunnis.

Someone mentioned CIA in Pakistan. This is not new. SInce 2001, one of the primary responsibilities of the ``Bin-laden`` desk at the CIA (same desk that wrested control of the predator program from Air force intelligence). WHich sits, not at Langley but across the street adn prepares a daily breifing to the state, CIA and the cabinet has been active in locating, tagging, and decrypting the mobile launching capabilities of Pakistan. Moreso, the desk with operatives now running on the ground know exactly how many and where the nuclear assets of Pakistan are.

Until 2003 Paki and US intelligence authorities worked together and apart for collective and individual interests. Since last year, US has enough operational depth in Pakistan that it doesn`t require the official Standard operating Procedures for information relay and vetting through official Pak army and ISI relationships. Even if the Pak army didn;t know about the Bajur strike, ISI did. We are back to the 80`s in Pakistan/US relationship.

I for one am looking forward to see how this unfolds.

chalta.

``The chance of Iranian nukes flying into tel avaiv are a lot less likely than Iranian nukes flying into Riyadh or Islamabad`` ...........

...........dreaming doesn`t make your wishes come true - all it does is wet your pajamas .......

#11: No one wants misiles flying anyway, my friend. But the enmity between riyadh and tehran runs pretttttty deep.

#11 by hamidm2 on January 22, 2006 8:42am PT


...........dreaming doesn`t make your wishes come true all it does is wet your pajamas .......


going by that, you should change the name of the land of the pure to wetpajamaistan..

If this happens, monthly parking for a GMC Tahoe in NYC will be worth more than the Tahoe..

Israeli Hints at Preparation to Stop Iran
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Jan 21, 9:00 PM (ET)

By JOSEF FEDERMAN

JERUSALEM (AP) - Israel`s defense minister hinted Saturday that the Jewish state is preparing for military action to stop Iran`s nuclear program, but said international diplomacy must be the first course of action.

``Israel will not be able to accept an Iranian nuclear capability and it must have the capability to defend itself, with all that that implies, and this we are preparing,`` Shaul Mofaz said.

His comments at an academic conference stopped short of overtly threatening a military strike but were likely to add to growing tensions with Iran.

Iran`s nukes are ok as long as they do not use it against someone. The real problem is the reaction of Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Syria and Egypt to Iranian nukes.

arjun_m said

````...........dreaming doesn`t make your wishes come true all it does is wet your pajamas .....

going by that, you should change the name of the land of the pure to wetpajamaistan..````



What do you know about Islamic Revolution? As far as i have read and understood your comments in chowk, you are just targetting any one with your eyes close ( that explans your name) without even thinking and understanding the topic.