Iran, Geopolitics and the Bomb

Arjun No. 63
True, this is a unipolar world and odds are stacked against Iran. But that should`nt prevent us (the masses) from voicing our dissent or presenting counter balancing arguements.

I disagree on accepting harsh realities as the fiat accomplie, realpolitike maybe the only choice for states, but civil society has a responsibility to express its views based on universal principles of fairness and equality.

Netizen #53, {``the sad part is, only the powerful states ``haves`` write the law and theres no much the ``haves-not`` can do about it. ``}

Netti,
Thanks for being so honest. Yes, the west, especially the US, is very apprehensive about any country, friend or foe, all except Israel of course, acquiring nuclear technology. But to be fair, for a long time after WWII, it was the US using subtle blackmail about using the ``hydorgen`` bomb against adversaries from Korea to Vietnam. I do agree with your ``LaaThi and Bhains`` principle.

#62 rf786:

Israels hostility to anything threatening itself is very well known.

Sharon himself (just days before his stroke) had declared that his neighbourhood is a very dangerous place and to survive they need to be ready for any eventuality.

Israel is a threat to iran`s nukes not to iran itself. they are not thinking of throwing iranis into caspian or persian gulf. do you think a 6 million naiton will subjugate 60 million iranians? They havn`t even acquired any iranian land and don`t want to. but they do percieve iranian nukes as a threat to their existence. and its no brainer why iran wants a nuke.

so did mention about a left-inclined Knesset member who objected to israels ethno-bomb activity. do you think the mullah-gatekeeper would allow any person, who doesn`t hold similar views as him, into the Majlis? thats why you have a person like Ahmad at the helm of affirs. hearing him, lalu seems atleast 10 times better.

regarding pak, may be mossad already had a thick file on the father of paki nuclear bomb. and if 9/11 would not have focussed khans ``charitable`` activities, may be in a decade there would been a dozen islamic nations wielding nuclear bombs. this aspect may have been a welcome change for muslims in general, but not to the developed world.
also, initially it was also regarded as an ``islamic`` bomb whatever it meant.

even now i am pretty sure, some one has a blueprint of how to nuetralise paks nuclear asset, in case mushy is blown to bits.

#65 rf786

``True, this is a unipolar world and odds are stacked against Iran. But that should`nt prevent us (the masses) from voicing our dissent or presenting counter balancing arguements. ``

no one wants iran to make nukes.

the most people want is instead of referring to UNSC, it should be resolved outside it, maybe IAEA.

as i said earlier may be iran will take russias services to enrich uranium outside iran.

or it will end like saddam, who inspite of not having any weapons kept on delaying the entry of inspectors thereby playing into the hands of bush.

nice article

kashkin

i was listening to some program on radio about irani bum, and the talking heads from washington think-tanks were of the view that
1. iranis are far far away from any real-threat bum(s)
2. they want to get an enrichment cycle going for the sake of pride
3. given 1 and 2, they would be ``allowed`` to do it, with more observers IETA etc..keep feet on the street. a nice enrichment cycle does not hurt anyone, as far as it makes a few grams a year was the view.
4. israel is down with 1-3, but still may make noise.
5. all ``sunni`` neighbor countries (KSA, emirates, turks, azeris, khurds..) are scared of irani regime
6. most iranis (in and out of the country) want nuke tech but not necessarily nuke bums

basically the claim was as far as iran allows inspection regime, they will be ``allowed`` some nuke tech. they will be offcourse be sent the second-strike plans etc..

Taqdeer ke qazi ka yeh fatwa hai azal se
Hai jurm-e-zaifi ki saza marg-e-mafajat

I guess Iran is trying to break the ``zaifi`` by making the BOOOM, atomic that is.

Asfand Siddiqui

Some idiot on this forum said that Paki ``mizaile`` are liquid fuel based and probably obsolete. Well just check the web ``shite`` called

http://www.missilethreat.com

And educate yourself. India has more liquid fuel based missile systems than Pakiland. Russian technology is dying buddy. Wake up and try to get chinese weapons or just come to uncle sam and get the goodies by selling the left over dhotis.

India
Agni 1 Solid/Liquid
Agni 1A Solid
Agni 2 Solid
Agni 3 Solid/Liquid

Dhanush Liquid

Pirthivi 1 Liquid
Pirthivi 2 Liquid
Pirthivi 3 Liquid

Suriya Solid/Liquid



Pakistan
Ghauri Liquid
Hatf 1 Solid
Hatf 2 Solid
Hatf 2A Solid
Hatf 3 Solid
Hatf 4 Solid
Hatf 5 Liquid
Hatf 5A Liquid
Hatf 6 Solid

Asfand Siddiqui

#65 ``based on universal principles of fairness and equality. ``

we are not talking ghulab jaman where everyone needs a fair share in the interests of fairness and equality. we are talking bombs, or bums as jang puts it!! wake up and smell the coffee. what earthly need do the iranian mullahs have for the bum? the mullahs callousness towards human life is well proven by the 10 year iran-iraq war where they fought like a bunch of incompetents, achieving nothing but killing a million ``soldiers of islam`` (read: fools) on both sides. in pakistan, qazi hussain ahmed was openly wondering after 1998 what good a bum is if you dont use it!! and you are talking about giving these nuts the bum in the interests of fairness and equality!!

you talk about civil society?? then talk about getting the world free of bums, not adding more to them.

Naqshbandi: you write ``It was only a matter of time before they came after Iran. `

after 7 years on chowk, you are as stupid as the first day you came. and still living in the west (the sinister ``they`` above) , while pining for iran where they would kick your naqshbandi ass from tehran to zahedan if you ever chose to go an live there!!

re:#39 by masadi
Masadi dude,
I told u already how to get hard facts.
Don`t pester others about hard facts anymore.
Sridhar

re:#40 by behram1
I wont answer your post but thanks for a courteous post (probably the first) where u did not humilate me or humiliate my religion/culture.
Sridhar

re: Beharam`s various posts
I think Chowk staff should take note of Behram`s obscene posts. The guy is sick minded. If he continues, some of us may have no reason to visit this site. That would be chowk`s loss.
Sridhar

Ref:#77 by rsridhar on January 23, 2006 5:33pm PT
{If he continues, some of us may have no reason to visit this site. That would be chowk`s loss.} No, actually it will be chowk`s gain. Pakistanis want to have some civilized discussion and disagreements. It is you who have attacked me first and have done constantly. You must acknowledge that.

Ref: #76 by rsridhar on January 23, 2006 5:20pm PT
{I wont answer your post but thanks for a courteous post (probably the first) where u did not humilate me or humiliate my religion/culture.} Once again, it is you who have constantly attacked Islam and muslims. Once, you understood that I am not a muslim, you started attacking Parsees. You are perplexed as to how to continue insulting others based on their religion.

If it not you, then we have the factoid junkie Arjun_m who brings all kinds of rubbish cut & paste stuff on to this site. You all have perfected the art of hate. And you know that. Just ask yourself this question: why do Pakistanis hate your posts?

Manto always brings you the facts on Gandhi`s politics, and you do not agree with that. So you bring the Prophet of Islam or muslims into these discussion. How despicable can you get?

re: an interesting nugget
I got this interesting nugget from a website:
IRAN`S president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, says Israel is an alien implantation whose people should return to Europe or perhaps settle in Alaska. So it is an irony that Israel`s president, Moshe Katzav, is in fact a Farsi-speaker born in Iran. Ditto Israel`s defence minister, Shaul Mofaz, who is doubtless preoccupied nowadays with how to destroy Iran`s nuclear programme. He is advised by Dan Halutz, Israel`s former air-force commander and now chief of staff. Lieut-General Halutz was born in Israel, both his parents in Iran. They seem to have taught him a sense of humour. Asked how far Israel would go to stop Iran`s nuclear programme, he replied: “two thousand kilometres!
Sridhar

tahmed # 73 [what earthly need do the iranian mullahs have for the bum? the mullahs callousness towards human life is well proven by the 10 year iran-iraq war where they fought like a bunch of incompetents, achieving nothing but killing a million ``soldiers of islam``]

This is a really stupid comment at many different levels. First, iranians have never said they would like the bomb. In fact, the west wishes that it had said so. The west wishes it so much that CNN ``mistranslated`` Ahmedinijad`s speech where he talked about ``acquiring nuclear technology for energy needs`` to ``acquiring nuclear technology for weapons needs``. When this lie was exposed, CNN had to apologize and fire the translator.

Secondly, it were callous people like yourself who used the ``10 year iran-iraq where millions were killed`` argument to generate mass hysteria against Saddam, labeling him sole responsible person for that terrible war where Iraq invaded Iran. And now that Saddam is no more, you are using the ``10 year iran-iraq war`` argument against Iran too!

At the minimum this is academic dishonesty.