Iran, Geopolitics and the Bomb

#92 masadi:


where are you man!!!!

please reply to #125 and #127 on ``Giant Desis`` board.

don`t disappoint me or you will just turn out to be yet another commie propagandists.

#97, there is nothing ``outstanding`` in those two posts of yours, in fact they are pretty lame. You want to know if China will face a disaster in 20 to 30 years- what do you think I am, a fortune teller? That said, yes if it integrates itself into the global economic system at the speed that it is and does not undertake socialistic programs to reduce poverty, it will face disaster. The example of Russia as a capitalistic experiment is in front of you, you do not have to wait 20 to 30 years to see the results.

Next you state <<< What indian people need is not a ``free`` fish but the skill to catch a fish.>>> What you are recommending is the exact opposite of what you claim. MNCs do not and have not transferred technology and skills to the locals, while protectionism to help the infant industries grow does ``teach a person to fish``. So what side are you trying to defend. I think you are very confuse.

I meant ``confused`` not ``confuse``

88 by rf786 on January 24, 2006 1:32am PT
Dear rf786
Since, and according to you, this is not the forum to discuss the issue you raised earlier at 81, I would only beg to differ with you on historic facts you posted here.
The countries you mentioned fought with “OCCUPIERS” for “self determination”, they are hardly appropriate examples. The British were the occupiers of Palestine not Palestine of Israel. Where as the reverse is true to day!
The Palestinians are fighting on at least FOUR fronts, the UN, British who slyly hand balled the hot potato to the UN, the USA who helped deliver the baby and Israel, not to mention its retinue of myriads of midwives in the clinic of yore.
Rashid

re:#82 by bbabu
Can`t u ignore this idiot. The pig is so obnoxious. Why should we even read his posts.
Sridhar

#100 by rashid_s
Dear Mr. Rashid
To begin with, title of this thread deals with Iran and the controversy surrounding its nuclear technology. Thus the comment regarding Palestine.

Iam not sure whether you can call Saud ibn Abdul Aziz Wahabi movement as a fight for self-determination against the British, if anything he and the Muslim Brotherhood (Akkwanulmuslimeen) were fighting Turkish-Ottoman (Muslim) forces. Saud was in collaboration with the Brits fighting against fellow muslims who helped him throw the Turks out of Hijaz. Saudi movement can only be described as a Religious movement, not as a freedom struggle for its local inhabitants who were later on either slaughtered, coerced or pushed out based on their religious affinity.

As for the Trans-Jordan empire, well the Sharifs of Medina were gifted Jordan by the Brits for their support against the Ottomans, there was no freedom struggle.

All India Muslim League can be best described as the only freedom struggle against a illegal, colonial British occupation. Herein lies the problem, were the Muslims justified in claiming a separate homeland? Was not India always the homeland for Muslims, hindus, sikhs? India of today is a fine representation of a multi-religious state, why then demand separation of a age old civilization? Had it not been for the Brits, Jinnah wud not have got Pakistan with such relative ease. One can also infer that Pakistan was gifted to the Muslims by the Brits for their support in WWII whereas Congress chose to wait for the Japs.

My apologies for making historical statements, purpose is to clarify the thought process and ideas expressed in our posts.

thanks

Arif

Dear Masadi:

Today I saw on the BBC news that there is a World Socialist Forum being held somewhere in Latin America. Where is it being held?

This is in direct competition to the corporaists` gatherings World Economic Forum being held at Davos.

Respectfully submitted,

Ref:#101 by rsridhar on January 24, 2006 6:06pm PT

re:#82 by bbabu

{Can`t u ignore this idiot. The pig is so obnoxious. Why should we even read his posts.}

Obviously, you can`t even follow your own advice. And then you wonder why people like you should not be kicked around and humiliated. You have an empty skull, and your brains are stuck between your legs. And you eat your gau mata`s dung. That must be where you lay all day and just come out at night to justify to yourself that you are a human, which you are not.

You are a creature hard for humans to understand.

kulharee #94 Very well put indeed!! You are absolutely right about these individuals who pine day and night on the plight of the palestinians while the arabs couldnt care less for them - how many of their palestinian brothers have even bothered to visit chowk, e.g.?? Not one!! That is the level of interest they have in Pakistan!! The big hero Saddam (whose overthrowing up the US seems to touch a raw nerve with these people) told Benazir Bhutto that Kashmir was not his problem when she went all the way to Baghdad to get his support. And yet, the entire view of the world of these people is based on their tears for the palestinians.

As for the palestinians - one of them told me last year that he was fed up of arafat and all the other arab leaders who simply pointed to israel as a way to keep the pressure away from themselves. And yet, these self-indulgent individuals, enjoying the comforts of the west about which they have nothing good to say, have nothing to think about beyond the ``injustice to palestinians`` they keep harping on.

Tahmed #105 and Kulharee,
I finally am in agreement with your views about the Arab/Muslim marching band when it comes to the defense of either Palestinian or Iranian interest. First of all, Iran was the victim of Iraqi aggression in the decade long Iran/Iraq war started by Sadman Houston. Only the Syrians and Libyans voiced support for Iran. Even Pakistan, led by the Saudi-worshipping Zia, managed to piss Iran off by having a pro-Iraqi stance - all in the name of Sunni ``brotherhood.`` The Palestinians, themselves victims of Arab double-speak, went all pom poms for the Iraqi dictator. If there is anything that irritates me more than the ban on clothing-optional beaches, it`s this annoying call for Muslim ``unity.``

Its only in dogs nature that even when its master strikes him with a stick it turns back and tries to lick his masters hand. Human beings, grab the oppressor`s hand and try to stop him from being cruel to others and himself. If, the full cavity search of puppet Pakistani prime minister and his minions at an American airport is not a reminder then probably, the following cartoon will jogg the memory of ghulamzadas and haramzadas- the progeny of angraiz left overs.

Thanks to all for their comments so far, both the positive and the negative ones. The aim of my piece was to be a catalyst for debate on this crucial issue and of the related one of Iran`s rolw in the geopolitics of the region.

No one has still satisfactorily convinced me why Iran shouldn`t try to have nuclear weapons whereas it is okay for other nations--particularly Israel--to have them. The `they`re mad mullahs whilst Israel is a democracy` argument is a non-sequitur so can we do better than that please.

The `jiski laaThi uski bhains` is a more plausible one but it doesn`t make it RIGHT now, does it?

#108 by Naqshbandi on January 25, 2006 11:16am PT


The `jiski laaThi uski bhains` is a more plausible one but it doesn`t make it RIGHT now, does it?


Having a lathi gives you the RIGHT to have the bhains..

Right and wrong is in the eyes of the beholder...For e.g., Pakis think it`s RIGHT to ask for sharon to be prosecuted for shabra and shatilla but don`t think it`s RIGHT to prosecute paki armymen for the genocide in bangladesh..

no arjun, some pakistanis would agree it is right to prosecute those generals involved in the bangladesh atrocities, including moi...

justice is what is right....

#94 Kulharee sahib writes <<< Asadi Sahib and Naqshbandi Sahib, would never want to live any of the countries they see so victimized by the ``west``. In fact, they would prefer to live in the West >>>

Once again Kulharee speaks of speculation, subjective speculation as if it were objective fact. He knows nothing about me, my preferences or where I want to live, yet he comments as if he has written my biography. I will not waste much more time living in this land of hypocrisy. Inshallah I`m returning to the real world soon. The plastic world where life is non existant and where people live vicariously through the movie world, when they are not playing out their roles as cheerful morons in the corporate world, is no heaven to me. I detest it. I totally hate it, and do not wish the evil of staying in the West upon me.

Kulharee writes in #94 <<< Have you heard of any Arab wannabe Pakistanis in the higher ranks of Al-Qaeda? These Pakis are only taken as water boys by Sami Laden and his high ranking officers. >>>

He starts off his post by calling leftists ``terrorist sympathizers`` then he ends with using ``terrorist criteria`` to prove his point about Pakistanis, so that tells us who the real terrorist sympathizers are. That said even his ``facts`` are messed up. KSM, we were told by the US media was a Pakistani, #2 in Al-Qaeda

So instead of coming up with facts, Kulharee and his new cheerleader tahmed come up with slogans and nonsense. They are the real terrorist sympathizers, they support a system that deliberately nurtures the petty terrorism of ``Sami Laden`` & co and directly perpetuates the higher terrorism of the US elite where whole countries are laid to waste and ecologies destroyed.