Farzana Versey January 23, 2006
#133 Posted by Saminasha on January 25, 2006 1:14:42 pm
and only a talentless jackass would come up with the clunker ``Financial Mathematics of Infinite Justice`` so that right wing jingoistas who could not understand the poetics of literary language if it were mainlined to them in a Willam Carlos Williams poem would just barely get it...
#132 Posted by arjun_m on January 25, 2006 1:14:25 pm
#125 by HP on January 25, 2006 11:53am PT
your only exposure to math is when you calculate the 15% tip on fares..do they have a ``math for cab driver dummies`` book or something?
your only exposure to math is when you calculate the 15% tip on fares..do they have a ``math for cab driver dummies`` book or something?
#131 Posted by HP on January 25, 2006 1:13:27 pm
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#130 Posted by queen_cut_paste on January 25, 2006 1:06:09 pm
#128 oh dear the old suitably employed do-gooder-troublemaker - cannot even say Sahitya Academi.
I am sure the academi had taken her consent before annoucing the award. AS has been suggested here, she could have said no. But then that is not like her. She is a publicity seeking tramp. So after giving her consent she refused. On the OTHER HAND SHE HAS TAEN THE Chevalier award from the french Govt. An award in Sydney and many other for her writings other than for that book God of small things.
But this is just a small inconvience for the jobless-subsidy-seeking-trouble-makers.
Maybbe Bush should increase their stipend so that they can go on some more jamborees and keep out of mischief.
I am sure the academi had taken her consent before annoucing the award. AS has been suggested here, she could have said no. But then that is not like her. She is a publicity seeking tramp. So after giving her consent she refused. On the OTHER HAND SHE HAS TAEN THE Chevalier award from the french Govt. An award in Sydney and many other for her writings other than for that book God of small things.
But this is just a small inconvience for the jobless-subsidy-seeking-trouble-makers.
Maybbe Bush should increase their stipend so that they can go on some more jamborees and keep out of mischief.
#129 Posted by queen_cut_paste on January 25, 2006 1:01:16 pm
#124 and others on this topic. A very interesting issue has been raised.
The problem is more derooted than that Farzana. I could be wrong here (let me give an ametuer`s try)
from a pattern you get a hypothesis. from the hypothesis you get a proposition and or theorem.
Infinite justice cannot be a theorem. It has to be a set (purely based on what you suggest about justice). It is on this set that you define the Algebra. Again, the set ``infinite justice`` can be both infinite dimensional or finite dimensional (a point raised by dotty). The issue gets more complicated if it is infinite dimensional since the algebra on it is diffiult to establish and also difficult to define well defined properties. Alephnull could do the honours here!
The relationship you given has to be established using the Algebra defined on the set of ``infinite justice``. When that is done you have a theorem.
Poor Arundhati Roy could have simply suggested the ``Financial Mathematics of Infinite Justice`` as the title and it would have been understood by many. But going for something which sounds abstruce, she has merely dug herself into a hole of sorts. FInacial Mathematics is what she was suggesting (here first column/article with this title dealt with this aspect of the US policy).
Anyway as HP suggested, will leave to the real expert -like Alephnull (a cantor set if I recall from earlier days), andthe other Alephs, and ofcourse HP him/her_self.
The problem is more derooted than that Farzana. I could be wrong here (let me give an ametuer`s try)
from a pattern you get a hypothesis. from the hypothesis you get a proposition and or theorem.
Infinite justice cannot be a theorem. It has to be a set (purely based on what you suggest about justice). It is on this set that you define the Algebra. Again, the set ``infinite justice`` can be both infinite dimensional or finite dimensional (a point raised by dotty). The issue gets more complicated if it is infinite dimensional since the algebra on it is diffiult to establish and also difficult to define well defined properties. Alephnull could do the honours here!
The relationship you given has to be established using the Algebra defined on the set of ``infinite justice``. When that is done you have a theorem.
Poor Arundhati Roy could have simply suggested the ``Financial Mathematics of Infinite Justice`` as the title and it would have been understood by many. But going for something which sounds abstruce, she has merely dug herself into a hole of sorts. FInacial Mathematics is what she was suggesting (here first column/article with this title dealt with this aspect of the US policy).
Anyway as HP suggested, will leave to the real expert -like Alephnull (a cantor set if I recall from earlier days), andthe other Alephs, and ofcourse HP him/her_self.
#128 Posted by Saminasha on January 25, 2006 12:57:03 pm
Sadna,
I had read the piece you thoughtfully provided. Again, it is the perogative of an artist to accept or decline an award for reasons that are compelling to them. Our arguing whether this particular decision is ``pc`` or ``invalid`` is pointless. Roy obviously wants nothing to do with the legitimization or coopting attempts of the Indian govt. or any indirect corrollary. Surely Sahitya has other dissident and brilliant women writers that they can choose instead.
I am struck by the rancour that has greeted Roy`s decision...even Sharon Old`s letter to Laura Bush didnt engender the chicken hawk armchair jingoistas as does Roy. Does India have a problem with dissenting women writers who refuse national largesse? Isnt that itself a largely paternalistic attitude?
I had read the piece you thoughtfully provided. Again, it is the perogative of an artist to accept or decline an award for reasons that are compelling to them. Our arguing whether this particular decision is ``pc`` or ``invalid`` is pointless. Roy obviously wants nothing to do with the legitimization or coopting attempts of the Indian govt. or any indirect corrollary. Surely Sahitya has other dissident and brilliant women writers that they can choose instead.
I am struck by the rancour that has greeted Roy`s decision...even Sharon Old`s letter to Laura Bush didnt engender the chicken hawk armchair jingoistas as does Roy. Does India have a problem with dissenting women writers who refuse national largesse? Isnt that itself a largely paternalistic attitude?
#127 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on January 25, 2006 12:45:30 pm
#120 Sadna, {``#120 by sadna
Saminasha
May I request you to kindly throw your eye ``}
Sadna,
You are assuming that she can see. But, the idea of throwing her eye is tempting....how about both eyes? :)
Saminasha
May I request you to kindly throw your eye ``}
Sadna,
You are assuming that she can see. But, the idea of throwing her eye is tempting....how about both eyes? :)
#126 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on January 25, 2006 12:42:41 pm
#122, Jang {``so what? dilip k knows that fillums are BANNED (even pre-1965) now, and its ridiculous for paki sarkar to offer the award, and its more silly to accept it. ``}
Jang,
LOL. You have a good point about the victim accepting a reward of pacifism from the perpetrator of the violence, or the way around - the suicide bomber accepting the Nobel Peace Prize after he failed in his attempt to blow up the Nobel institute.
``I refuse to join an organization that would have me as a member.`` I think the same guy said ``All things considered, I would rather be in Philadelphia.``
Jang,
LOL. You have a good point about the victim accepting a reward of pacifism from the perpetrator of the violence, or the way around - the suicide bomber accepting the Nobel Peace Prize after he failed in his attempt to blow up the Nobel institute.
``I refuse to join an organization that would have me as a member.`` I think the same guy said ``All things considered, I would rather be in Philadelphia.``
#125 Posted by HP on January 25, 2006 11:53:21 am
#124
``We could do with a maths wizard here to enlighten us further (and probably correct me). ``
I know who is going to show up here and I would just wait to see how he explains it.
Then we will invite the real wizard...
#124 Posted by FarzanaVersey on January 25, 2006 11:34:37 am
The algebra of infinite justice…what does it mean?
I think this is an interesting query. Not being conversant with mathematics, I am fascinated enough to want to conjecture based on rusty knowledge.
In algebra you quantify a qualitative theorem and find a set within it. A hypothesis is then given a pattern.
In the title, ‘infinite justice’ is the theorem. Logically, justice ought to be defined; the hypothesis here is that it is infinite – endless or without boundaries and therefore blurred. Algebraically it could mean a + b = c raised to the power of infinity where ‘a’ and ‘b’ are certain injustices and ‘c’ is ‘justice’ that in undefined. Somewhat like finding method in the madness!
We could do with a maths wizard here to enlighten us further (and probably correct me).
I think this is an interesting query. Not being conversant with mathematics, I am fascinated enough to want to conjecture based on rusty knowledge.
In algebra you quantify a qualitative theorem and find a set within it. A hypothesis is then given a pattern.
In the title, ‘infinite justice’ is the theorem. Logically, justice ought to be defined; the hypothesis here is that it is infinite – endless or without boundaries and therefore blurred. Algebraically it could mean a + b = c raised to the power of infinity where ‘a’ and ‘b’ are certain injustices and ‘c’ is ‘justice’ that in undefined. Somewhat like finding method in the madness!
We could do with a maths wizard here to enlighten us further (and probably correct me).
#123 Posted by iron_mask on January 25, 2006 10:51:46 am
#122 you read Arun_dhirty Roy`s article on why DK(and others) should not be denounced for accepting this award from pak sarkar.
Man, I tell you these trendies (and extremely well-off) are class1 hypocrites.
Living off tax-payers subsidies (and AR and husband get plenty of it - for the land they own in MP - apparently) they have the time to do this. Queenie was right here.
Man, I tell you these trendies (and extremely well-off) are class1 hypocrites.
Living off tax-payers subsidies (and AR and husband get plenty of it - for the land they own in MP - apparently) they have the time to do this. Queenie was right here.
#122 Posted by jang on January 25, 2006 10:47:29 am
#118 by Salim_Chauhan
so what? dilip k knows that fillums are BANNED (even pre-1965) now, and its ridiculous for paki sarkar to offer the award, and its more silly to accept it.
so what? dilip k knows that fillums are BANNED (even pre-1965) now, and its ridiculous for paki sarkar to offer the award, and its more silly to accept it.
#121 Posted by Dash_Dot on January 25, 2006 10:02:36 am
#119 like I said - mathematical ignorants should not use terms without really understanding them.
So what has algebra got to do with justice?
Is finite-D ``infinite justice`` or infinite-d ``infinte justice``?
Is this algebra for finite dimensional ``infinite justice`` or for infinite ``infinite justice``?
What exactly are the precise properties of this space of ``infinite justice``?
Missy Sammy you, and for the first time, I can say with my hand on my heart, have spoken like a true ignorant dumbkopf.
forget pictures - I need to see properties, structures etc. Precision not some feel good fuzzy-vuzzy crap.
See it is easy to rattle of the insult.
So what has algebra got to do with justice?
Is finite-D ``infinite justice`` or infinite-d ``infinte justice``?
Is this algebra for finite dimensional ``infinite justice`` or for infinite ``infinite justice``?
What exactly are the precise properties of this space of ``infinite justice``?
Missy Sammy you, and for the first time, I can say with my hand on my heart, have spoken like a true ignorant dumbkopf.
forget pictures - I need to see properties, structures etc. Precision not some feel good fuzzy-vuzzy crap.
See it is easy to rattle of the insult.
#120 Posted by sadna on January 25, 2006 10:00:06 am
Saminasha
May I request you to kindly throw your eye over #109 at Ms Roy`s fellow contenders which the Akademi was considering for the award. Those other authors aren`t exactly establishment book lickers. Please see in that list corroboration of other posters` points that the Akademi is no handmaiden of the govt. establishment and Ms Roy is not the only radical dissenter in India.
May I request you to kindly throw your eye over #109 at Ms Roy`s fellow contenders which the Akademi was considering for the award. Those other authors aren`t exactly establishment book lickers. Please see in that list corroboration of other posters` points that the Akademi is no handmaiden of the govt. establishment and Ms Roy is not the only radical dissenter in India.
#119 Posted by Saminasha on January 25, 2006 9:26:34 am
Arjun,
Spell it out and use pictures...dotty is interminably slow witted.
Spell it out and use pictures...dotty is interminably slow witted.
#118 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on January 25, 2006 9:16:05 am
#117, Jang,
Dilip Kumar aka Joseph Kahn, received the Paki awards for movies that he made prior to 1965 - when the ban went in effect. :)
Dilip Kumar aka Joseph Kahn, received the Paki awards for movies that he made prior to 1965 - when the ban went in effect. :)
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