Farzana Versey January 23, 2006
#129 Posted by queen_cut_paste on January 25, 2006 1:01:16 pm
#124 and others on this topic. A very interesting issue has been raised.
The problem is more derooted than that Farzana. I could be wrong here (let me give an ametuer`s try)
from a pattern you get a hypothesis. from the hypothesis you get a proposition and or theorem.
Infinite justice cannot be a theorem. It has to be a set (purely based on what you suggest about justice). It is on this set that you define the Algebra. Again, the set ``infinite justice`` can be both infinite dimensional or finite dimensional (a point raised by dotty). The issue gets more complicated if it is infinite dimensional since the algebra on it is diffiult to establish and also difficult to define well defined properties. Alephnull could do the honours here!
The relationship you given has to be established using the Algebra defined on the set of ``infinite justice``. When that is done you have a theorem.
Poor Arundhati Roy could have simply suggested the ``Financial Mathematics of Infinite Justice`` as the title and it would have been understood by many. But going for something which sounds abstruce, she has merely dug herself into a hole of sorts. FInacial Mathematics is what she was suggesting (here first column/article with this title dealt with this aspect of the US policy).
Anyway as HP suggested, will leave to the real expert -like Alephnull (a cantor set if I recall from earlier days), andthe other Alephs, and ofcourse HP him/her_self.
The problem is more derooted than that Farzana. I could be wrong here (let me give an ametuer`s try)
from a pattern you get a hypothesis. from the hypothesis you get a proposition and or theorem.
Infinite justice cannot be a theorem. It has to be a set (purely based on what you suggest about justice). It is on this set that you define the Algebra. Again, the set ``infinite justice`` can be both infinite dimensional or finite dimensional (a point raised by dotty). The issue gets more complicated if it is infinite dimensional since the algebra on it is diffiult to establish and also difficult to define well defined properties. Alephnull could do the honours here!
The relationship you given has to be established using the Algebra defined on the set of ``infinite justice``. When that is done you have a theorem.
Poor Arundhati Roy could have simply suggested the ``Financial Mathematics of Infinite Justice`` as the title and it would have been understood by many. But going for something which sounds abstruce, she has merely dug herself into a hole of sorts. FInacial Mathematics is what she was suggesting (here first column/article with this title dealt with this aspect of the US policy).
Anyway as HP suggested, will leave to the real expert -like Alephnull (a cantor set if I recall from earlier days), andthe other Alephs, and ofcourse HP him/her_self.
#130 Posted by queen_cut_paste on January 25, 2006 1:06:09 pm
#128 oh dear the old suitably employed do-gooder-troublemaker - cannot even say Sahitya Academi.
I am sure the academi had taken her consent before annoucing the award. AS has been suggested here, she could have said no. But then that is not like her. She is a publicity seeking tramp. So after giving her consent she refused. On the OTHER HAND SHE HAS TAEN THE Chevalier award from the french Govt. An award in Sydney and many other for her writings other than for that book God of small things.
But this is just a small inconvience for the jobless-subsidy-seeking-trouble-makers.
Maybbe Bush should increase their stipend so that they can go on some more jamborees and keep out of mischief.
I am sure the academi had taken her consent before annoucing the award. AS has been suggested here, she could have said no. But then that is not like her. She is a publicity seeking tramp. So after giving her consent she refused. On the OTHER HAND SHE HAS TAEN THE Chevalier award from the french Govt. An award in Sydney and many other for her writings other than for that book God of small things.
But this is just a small inconvience for the jobless-subsidy-seeking-trouble-makers.
Maybbe Bush should increase their stipend so that they can go on some more jamborees and keep out of mischief.
#131 Posted by HP on January 25, 2006 1:13:27 pm
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#132 Posted by arjun_m on January 25, 2006 1:14:25 pm
#125 by HP on January 25, 2006 11:53am PT
your only exposure to math is when you calculate the 15% tip on fares..do they have a ``math for cab driver dummies`` book or something?
your only exposure to math is when you calculate the 15% tip on fares..do they have a ``math for cab driver dummies`` book or something?
#133 Posted by Saminasha on January 25, 2006 1:14:42 pm
and only a talentless jackass would come up with the clunker ``Financial Mathematics of Infinite Justice`` so that right wing jingoistas who could not understand the poetics of literary language if it were mainlined to them in a Willam Carlos Williams poem would just barely get it...
#134 Posted by queen_cut_paste on January 25, 2006 1:22:41 pm
come HP you can do better than that (#131). Please do not equate the three of us, I can gaurantee that I am not one of those two. Do not misplace your temper, or high-horsedness. Save for the likes of Alephnull to turn.
#135 Posted by queen_cut_paste on January 25, 2006 1:25:03 pm
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#136 Posted by Saminasha on January 25, 2006 1:28:36 pm
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#137 Posted by dullabhatti on January 25, 2006 1:34:54 pm
samina, if it is upto Roy to accept or refuse the award why you feel compelled to advocate her reasons for refusal here? Laura Bush`s invitation is not same as say invitation from an Art organization that gets federal dollars for promotion of arts in USA under some federal program that may be in place when Bush was still in diapers. It does not make sense for AR to go to a recital invitation offered by RSS chief or Sonia Gandhi...or even Manmohan Singh`s wife.
You fail to acknowledge the difference between:
Government and Country
and further berween country and its institutions.
In democracies public interest institutions come into existence with government money. over time they build credibility and earn respect of their people.
You fail to acknowledge the difference between:
Government and Country
and further berween country and its institutions.
In democracies public interest institutions come into existence with government money. over time they build credibility and earn respect of their people.
#138 Posted by Saminasha on January 25, 2006 1:55:38 pm
dullah,
you continue to evade my points, so I really don`t see the point in continuing this conversation with you.
you continue to evade my points, so I really don`t see the point in continuing this conversation with you.
#139 Posted by iron_mask on January 25, 2006 2:00:26 pm
har har har. All it needed was a small peeble and the interacts roll on.
Have saminasha, farzana kissed and made up. They seem to be having a good old one-two going on here. and #138 is the classic opt out by DOLE. declare herself a winner when cornered and disappear from the scene for a while.
Have saminasha, farzana kissed and made up. They seem to be having a good old one-two going on here. and #138 is the classic opt out by DOLE. declare herself a winner when cornered and disappear from the scene for a while.
#140 Posted by sadna on January 25, 2006 2:10:27 pm
Saminasha #128
``I am struck by the rancour that has greeted Roy`s decision.``
Again, as posters keep repeating, the rancour is not about her refusal, it is about her mischaracterisation of the Akademi and its award which is a national award given by fellow literary figures, not a government award.
Those who respect the Sahitya Akademi are going to get angry when simply because it is Roy speaking, a national institution gets painted black in a rather mindless manner. Being female and dissident doesn`t confer infallibility on a person, you know.
``I am struck by the rancour that has greeted Roy`s decision.``
Again, as posters keep repeating, the rancour is not about her refusal, it is about her mischaracterisation of the Akademi and its award which is a national award given by fellow literary figures, not a government award.
Those who respect the Sahitya Akademi are going to get angry when simply because it is Roy speaking, a national institution gets painted black in a rather mindless manner. Being female and dissident doesn`t confer infallibility on a person, you know.
#141 Posted by sadna on January 25, 2006 2:26:05 pm
While you wait for math wizards, peoples, kindly understand what are metaphors. When you write `anatomy of a riot` you don`t actually talk of heart, intestines and kidneys of a riot.
Similarly if you write algebra of xyz, you don`t necessarily intend it to be pure math published with equations, you want to say xyz is an aggregation of factors a,b,c. In this case `infinite justice` is obviously a satirical reference to the US`s name for their Afghanistan war and what actually were the factors resulting in this war
Similarly if you write algebra of xyz, you don`t necessarily intend it to be pure math published with equations, you want to say xyz is an aggregation of factors a,b,c. In this case `infinite justice` is obviously a satirical reference to the US`s name for their Afghanistan war and what actually were the factors resulting in this war
#142 Posted by Saminasha on January 25, 2006 2:30:45 pm
Sadna,
Are you saying that there is just one truth, or only one interpretation of the Sahitya organization or what their award means?
You aren`t, and I understand your position. This understanding, however, does not prevent me from understanding Roy`s position.
Are you saying that there is just one truth, or only one interpretation of the Sahitya organization or what their award means?
You aren`t, and I understand your position. This understanding, however, does not prevent me from understanding Roy`s position.
#143 Posted by sadna on January 25, 2006 2:41:36 pm
Saminasha #142
Yes, in this case there is only one truth, which is that Arundhati Roy has unnecessarily painted the Sahitya Akademi with the black which she paints government and its policies. She has also painted black her fellow literary figures who are associated with the Akademi and all the work it does on behalf of the nation.
She need not have accepted the reward, but she should not have tried to paint the Akademi with the same brush she paints the government. Her self-righteousness wrt the government doesn`t hurt her credibility as much as her self-righteousness wrt the Akademi which just doesn`t work.
Yes, in this case there is only one truth, which is that Arundhati Roy has unnecessarily painted the Sahitya Akademi with the black which she paints government and its policies. She has also painted black her fellow literary figures who are associated with the Akademi and all the work it does on behalf of the nation.
She need not have accepted the reward, but she should not have tried to paint the Akademi with the same brush she paints the government. Her self-righteousness wrt the government doesn`t hurt her credibility as much as her self-righteousness wrt the Akademi which just doesn`t work.
#144 Posted by sadna on January 25, 2006 2:42:33 pm
Correction:She need not have accepted the award, but she should not have tried to paint the Akademi with the same brush she paints the government.
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