Islam, Marathons and Choice

re: sattar # 47

49.5% and 50.5% with ahmedis counted as Muslims! The way we never hear the end of the Gurdaspur story and no child is left ignorant of the great injustice perpetrated by the British, one would have expected the Muslim population to be much closer to 90%.

Inshallah,

may your wish come true.

Brother Zamanov:

Girls from even conservative NWFP are taking to sports. The recent example is from women squash team.

Re #45 Bina....Shhhh you are not supposed to give out state secrets :) My presence here is linked via a complex web to the natural gas deal between the great states of Russia and Pakistan.
Amen to your prayer...I will give her every opportunity to fulfill any athletic ambitions....

InspirEx and Chauhan, thank you for your appreciation of what I was trying to say.

Manto, Sattar2,
Yes, the logic that the Mullahs have used with the Ahmedis is quite comical, only if the reality wasn`t so tragic. Thank you for validating the point. The reason I get so upset with the treatment given to Ahmedis is that one day, these Mullahs will do the same thing to others - Shias, Ismailis, yes even Hanafis. Finally, there will be two mullahs left and the one with the longer beard will win. :)

Yasser, Salim,

That’s a fine point regarding the Gurdaspur issue …

If I recall correctly, according to Munir Report population of Gurdaspur was split between Muslims and non-Muslims by a margin of 1%. This suggests that Muslims were 50.5% and non-Muslims were 49.5%. I was left with the impression that Ahamdis were counted as Muslims here.

Furthermore, Qadian was one of the 3 bigger towns in Gurdaspur. If Ahmadis are declared non-Muslims, Gurdaspur population-split very likely tilts in favor of non-Muslims.

Mullahs declare Ahmadis non-Muslims, but also claim that Gurdaspur should have been a part of Pakistan. Yes … heads - we win, tails - you lose.

Ironically, last time Urstruly weighed in on this debate, he claimed that population of Gurdaspur was 80% Muslim ... and that Zafrullah Khan conspired with the British to give Gurdaspur to India. When asked to validate his claim, he admitted to cooking up the 80% statistic.

Such is the sad state of mullahs of our times …

``Some of these Pakis are hilarious - ``Heads we win, tails you lose.`` Gurdaspur should have been part of Pakistan because the Qadianis were Muslims until 1974. :) Abdus Salaam was a Muslim when the discussion is about Nobel Prizes, but not a Muslim when it comes to his faith. I wonder if Pakistan would have returned Gurdaspur to India in 1974, after declaring the Ahmedis to be non-Muslims. LOL``

Excellent point... a point I have made several times.

yeah, zamanov, you russian, you!
LOL
Nice to see you up here. Hope your daughter is an Olympian athlete one day!

Zamanov:
Great article.

I just wish people in this country stop playing the roles of the custodians of everyones faith and do bear in mind that eventually, one is responsible for his/her own actions.

The other day i ran into a rickshaw driver who who was apparently reciting verses on a rosary, but behind his rickshaw, he had the traffic held up.

lost in his worship, the gentleman picked a fight with an individual asked him to move his rickshaw.

Whither patience, whiter understanding people troubles, whither the spirit of helping people.

All in the name of Islam, these and many more continue to forget that the ones around us, have been declared as beings of ``greater importance`` in the eyes of Allah Himself, in the Holy Qur`an.

What good is prayer when you keep people in pain while observing it?
What good is preaching (tabligh) when your only justifications are to denigrate the members of other religions and / or sects?

There is so much more to say...

...those who are making a big deal out of women running a marathon, i have only one thing to say, Get a Life people!!

Zamanov,
Wonderful article. I think that the fanatics would say that there is nothing wrong with females running a marathon as long as they are appropriately dressed and covered up. To them, the appropriate dress would be a ``shuttle cock`` burqa with vents for effective air-cooling. The more moderate extremists (LOL) may accede to a hijab-clad female with loose sweat pants and heavy shirt that can trap enough air to launch the poor athelete into the air. If Muslim women have to overcome such hurdles, they are bound to become the toughest competitors in every sport. It`s similar to the batter in baseball practicing with two bats in the circle and then using only one while in the batter`s box. I think the more important task is to remove the cotton hijabs from the Mullah`s ears first and pump some grey matter into the empty space.

Hamzad #1 {``Yes, we had a Qadyaani agent-scientist named Abdus Salaam who won the Olympic medal in Physics. We told him either its Pakistan or Qaadiyaan? He said Qaadiyaan. We told him to take a hike and take his Olympic medal with him. He died and lives in Jehannum now.``}

Kaka,
Some of these Pakis are hilarious - ``Heads we win, tails you lose.`` Gurdaspur should have been part of Pakistan because the Qadianis were Muslims until 1974. :) Abdus Salaam was a Muslim when the discussion is about Nobel Prizes, but not a Muslim when it comes to his faith. I wonder if Pakistan would have returned Gurdaspur to India in 1974, after declaring the Ahmedis to be non-Muslims. LOL

#14 atif2, {``Please admit yourself ASAP in some Reasoning 101 followed by Tolerance 101 class. Perhaps you can have some qadiyanis join that Tolerance class with you as well. Islam and the people of Pakistan can wait. We will be right here waiting for our ``reformer`` to come liberate us, once he has liberated himself of the hatred fed to him all through his life.``}

Atif2,
You are confirming your status as the Mad Sunni Mullah of Chowk. Also, with the above nonsense singling out Qadianis and a personal attack on Yasser`s esteemed father, you have demonstrated that you flunked BOTH Reasoning 101 and Tolerance 101. If only we could excommunicate the damned Wahabbis like you. :)

#16, Veeresh, {``Some top clerics of Pakistan are overjoyed to see the increasing numbers of veiled women spectators during the current Pakistan India cricket series and have called on all the female cricket fans to wear hijabs (veil covering the face except eyes) while watching next fixtures in the series. ``}

Veeresh,
If the Paki team ever plays as poorly as the Indian team, we Paki men will also wear hijabs at cricket matches. Until then, would you like to borrow some paper bags for your side?

Brother Zamanov,

Choice is always curtailed in public. Society always dictates a public morality. The question is, is the morality of a few being applied above and beyond the actual norms?

Note, this works either way.

Re: #32

ahsan8211, the Krgyz example was exactly to prove my point that you cannot single out Islam for what some people, who call themselves Muslims, do. There are `Muslims` in Pakistan who practice, Vani, karo-kari, nikah to Quran, and other such abhorrent acts and have their own justifications for them...The point is that such actions of a few people does not mean that everyone else should follow it. We need to oppose these acts because they are physically harmful for women and/or take away their basic human right of `CHOICE` in leading their lives.