Islam, Marathons and Choice

Urstruly...

Are you suggesting that you, an ignorant mullah of the Maududi kind, knew better than Jinnah who chose the man as his trusted lieutenant?

Zafrullah Chaudhry was an indefatigable crusader for Pakistan and then its status in the world... Arabs, especially Palestinians, worshipped him as the great voice of Arab world... the fact that you are so utterly and shamelessly bigoted and closedminded as to deny his role ... shows that people like you and your daddy General Zia ul Haq (the murderer of freedom fighters) are not just the enemies of Pakistan but enemies of all Muslims - despite your claims to the contrary... you are like Abdullah Bin Sabah... you are like the idiotic, ignorant and fanatical Deobandi Mullahs who stabbed us in the back... and don`t give me sh-it about you suffering under Zia-ul-Haq... you were probably on all fours... and that is not ``suffering``.

And your ignorance of history compares to your rather mediocre exposition in the English language...

``Sher-e-Bangla`` Maulvi Fazlul Haq and Sir Sikandar Hayat were naughty boys of Bengal and Punjab ... who had often broken ranks with the Muslim League... they both moved the resolution for your information... they did not ``author`` it.

As for Pakistani textbooks... I haven`t seen it being stated any other way.

Urstruly,

Even as Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) agreed to Hudabiyyah Treaty, he did not stop calling himself the Prophet of Allah. The point was that … if the Meccan enemy did not consider him a prophet of Allah, that was their choice.

Similarly, you can call us whatever you want … that’s your choice. Ahmadis consider themselves Muslims … and will continue to do so.

Fair enough?

Ahmadis are not looking to be accepted as “Muslims” by you. You’ve got it all wrong. We only wish that violence directed at Ahamdis … men, women, children … their homes and businesses … should be stopped.

Even after the Hudabiyyah treaty was agree to, Meccan enemy continued to engage in hostilities against the dear Prophet (pbuh) and his followers. Similarly, despite claiming that Islam is a religion of peace, your mullahs continue to engage in violence and fanaticism against Ahmadis.

Do you see the parallels? Now that’s the spirit …

Re: # 57

That`s the spirit. The spirit of reconcilliation, that is. Since you have invoked Hudaibiya Pact as an example for the price of peace, I suggest that you set an example by acting on it first. In the name of greater good of your people and others, one thing you can do is to stop calling yourselves as ``Muslims`` and just present yourselves as Quadiani. After all, in Hudaibiya Pact the first objection that Kuffar of Mecca had was that the the verbiage of the pact should be changed from ``This pact is between Meccans and Mohmmad (pbuh) The Prohet of God`` to just ``This pact is between Meccans and Mohammad (pbuh)``. Agreeing to this term was tentamount to accepting that Mohammad (pbuh) was not the Prophet of God. This sort of denied the whole 15 years of struggle by Prophet (pbuh) and the sacrifices that his companions made during that period. But for the greater good and peace Prophet (pbuh) accepted this condition despite vocal protest from his companions.

Similarly, I must re-iterate it for the thousandth time that Muslims in Pakistan and all around world have absolutely no problem with the Quadiani dogma, as long as they do not present it as Islam and do not call themselves Muslims. I don`t think it is that hard to understand - Islam is that religion which Allah has revealed to Muslims thru Prophet Mohammad (pbuh). Any other thing is a new religion.

Urstruly,

I glanced through the web-site the link to which you posted. I am not sure why you refer to it as a “quadiyani hate website”. It documents persecution of Ahmadis and provides some historic details in the context of partition of India … without being hateful or malicious. So I am not sure why it is ticking you off …

Ahmadis have adopted proper methods in dealing with persecution … and I say this as an Ahmadi-Muslim myself. They have placed their trust in Allah Almighty and the message of Quran … and have refused to counter violence with violence, hatred with hatred.

Worldwide Muslim population can learn from this. Dear Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) adopted similar methods when dealing with hatred and violent persecution at the hands of enemies. He migrated from Mecca (the holiest of all places) as was appropriate and did not hesitate to make peace with the enemy, even at most humiliating terms (Hudabiyyah Treaty). Through piety, patience, and dignity … and was able to win over the most bitter enemies of his time.

Worldwide Muslim community of this day has been wronged by other nations and political powers … I agree. But they have wronged themselves, first and foremost, due to internal conflicts, fanaticism, and corruption. The culture of hatred and fanaticism they have nourished over centuries has finally come full circle.

For someone with common sense and sincerity, it is easy to see why Islam (and all other religions) emphasize faith, peace, and perseverance over violence and fanaticism. I fail to see your point … and I guess you fail to see mine. But the difference is that ... while you want to throw me in prison for pretending to be a Muslim, I pray that you and others like you see the light. And this difference in the way we think separates us ...

This quadiyani hate website contends that Zafarullah khan was ONLY asked to look into the Lahore Resolution, assuming that he would opine due to his legal background.

http://www.thepersecution.org/50years/march23.html

I thought, sher-e-bangal Moulvi Fazl-e-Haq was the one who prepared the draft Lahore Resolution. I guess Pakistani text books have been feeding another lie to people of Pakistan since forever. Right?

sattar2..

Urstruly and his ilk are enemies of Pakistan ...

Sir Zafrullah Khan, god bless is soul, was the author of the Lahore Resolution.... infact the Jamaat-Ahmadiya was the first Muslim body in pre-partition India to conduct the geographical survey...

Jinnah trusted Zafrullah Khan more than anyone else in that cabinet... Zafrullah Khan alone understood the Quaid`s world view and effectively echoed it in the UN...

F Zamanov

life is about moderation

re: sattar # 47

49.5% and 50.5% with ahmedis counted as Muslims! The way we never hear the end of the Gurdaspur story and no child is left ignorant of the great injustice perpetrated by the British, one would have expected the Muslim population to be much closer to 90%.

Inshallah,

may your wish come true.

Brother Zamanov:

Girls from even conservative NWFP are taking to sports. The recent example is from women squash team.

Re #45 Bina....Shhhh you are not supposed to give out state secrets :) My presence here is linked via a complex web to the natural gas deal between the great states of Russia and Pakistan.
Amen to your prayer...I will give her every opportunity to fulfill any athletic ambitions....

InspirEx and Chauhan, thank you for your appreciation of what I was trying to say.

Manto, Sattar2,
Yes, the logic that the Mullahs have used with the Ahmedis is quite comical, only if the reality wasn`t so tragic. Thank you for validating the point. The reason I get so upset with the treatment given to Ahmedis is that one day, these Mullahs will do the same thing to others - Shias, Ismailis, yes even Hanafis. Finally, there will be two mullahs left and the one with the longer beard will win. :)

Yasser, Salim,

That’s a fine point regarding the Gurdaspur issue …

If I recall correctly, according to Munir Report population of Gurdaspur was split between Muslims and non-Muslims by a margin of 1%. This suggests that Muslims were 50.5% and non-Muslims were 49.5%. I was left with the impression that Ahamdis were counted as Muslims here.

Furthermore, Qadian was one of the 3 bigger towns in Gurdaspur. If Ahmadis are declared non-Muslims, Gurdaspur population-split very likely tilts in favor of non-Muslims.

Mullahs declare Ahmadis non-Muslims, but also claim that Gurdaspur should have been a part of Pakistan. Yes … heads - we win, tails - you lose.

Ironically, last time Urstruly weighed in on this debate, he claimed that population of Gurdaspur was 80% Muslim ... and that Zafrullah Khan conspired with the British to give Gurdaspur to India. When asked to validate his claim, he admitted to cooking up the 80% statistic.

Such is the sad state of mullahs of our times …

``Some of these Pakis are hilarious - ``Heads we win, tails you lose.`` Gurdaspur should have been part of Pakistan because the Qadianis were Muslims until 1974. :) Abdus Salaam was a Muslim when the discussion is about Nobel Prizes, but not a Muslim when it comes to his faith. I wonder if Pakistan would have returned Gurdaspur to India in 1974, after declaring the Ahmedis to be non-Muslims. LOL``

Excellent point... a point I have made several times.

yeah, zamanov, you russian, you!
LOL
Nice to see you up here. Hope your daughter is an Olympian athlete one day!