Athar Osama February 13, 2006
#76 Posted by SR on February 19, 2006 6:06:56 pm
addendum to 75
Forgot to add this link at the end of the last message...
http://zfacts.com/p/461.html
God bless America
...SR
Forgot to add this link at the end of the last message...
http://zfacts.com/p/461.html
God bless America
...SR
#75 Posted by SR on February 19, 2006 6:46:26 am
Re: # 74 ... There are many unheard voices that decry the great evils of the empire that is destroying peace and prosperity in the world.
Dr. Ron Paul, a Republican congressman from Texas, made a speech on the floor of the US House two days ago. I`ve appended the text hereunder and am embedding the link here.
Please go to this site and click on the box at the upper right hand above the text of the speech. You CAN WATCH the speech in whole on your computer. PLEASE WATCH it...
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul303.html
Before the US House of Representatives, February 15, 2006
A hundred years ago it was called “dollar diplomacy.” After World War II, and especially after the fall of the Soviet Union in 1989, that policy evolved into “dollar hegemony.” But after all these many years of great success, our dollar dominance is coming to an end.
It has been said, rightly, that he who holds the gold makes the rules. In earlier times it was readily accepted that fair and honest trade required an exchange for something of real value.
First it was simply barter of goods. Then it was discovered that gold held a universal attraction, and was a convenient substitute for more cumbersome barter transactions. Not only did gold facilitate exchange of goods and services, it served as a store of value for those who wanted to save for a rainy day.
Though money developed naturally in the marketplace, as governments grew in power they assumed monopoly control over money. Sometimes governments succeeded in guaranteeing the quality and purity of gold, but in time governments learned to outspend their revenues. New or higher taxes always incurred the disapproval of the people, so it wasn’t long before Kings and Caesars learned how to inflate their currencies by reducing the amount of gold in each coin – always hoping their subjects wouldn’t discover the fraud. But the people always did, and they strenuously objected.
This helped pressure leaders to seek more gold by conquering other nations. The people became accustomed to living beyond their means, and enjoyed the circuses and bread. Financing extravagances by conquering foreign lands seemed a logical alternative to working harder and producing more. Besides, conquering nations not only brought home gold, they brought home slaves as well. Taxing the people in conquered territories also provided an incentive to build empires. This system of government worked well for a while, but the moral decline of the people led to an unwillingness to produce for themselves.
There was a limit to the number of countries that could be sacked for their wealth, and this always brought empires to an end. When gold no longer could be obtained, their military might crumbled. In those days those who held the gold truly wrote the rules and lived well.
That general rule has held fast throughout the ages. When gold was used, and the rules protected honest commerce, productive nations thrived. Whenever wealthy nations – those with powerful armies and gold – strived only for empire and easy fortunes to support welfare at home, those nations failed.
Today the principles are the same, but the process is quite different. Gold no longer is the currency of the realm; paper is. The truth now is: “He who prints the money makes the rules” – at least for the time being. Although gold is not used, the goals are the same: compel foreign countries to produce and subsidize the country with military superiority and control over the monetary printing presses.
Since printing paper money is nothing short of counterfeiting, the issuer of the international currency must always be the country with the military might to guarantee control over the system. This magnificent scheme seems the perfect system for obtaining perpetual wealth for the country that issues the de facto world currency. The one problem, however, is that such a system destroys the character of the counterfeiting nation’s people – just as was the case when gold was the currency and it was obtained by conquering other nations. And this destroys the incentive to save and produce, while encouraging debt and runaway welfare.
The pressure at home to inflate the currency comes from the corporate welfare recipients, as well as those who demand handouts as compensation for their needs and perceived injuries by others. In both cases personal responsibility for one’s actions is rejected.
When paper money is rejected, or when gold runs out, wealth and political stability are lost. The country then must go from living beyond its means to living beneath its means, until the economic and political systems adjust to the new rules – rules no longer written by those who ran the now defunct printing press.
“Dollar Diplomacy,” a policy instituted by William Howard Taft and his Secretary of State Philander C. Knox, was designed to enhance U.S. commercial investments in Latin America and the Far East. McKinley concocted a war against Spain in 1898, and (Teddy) Roosevelt’s corollary to the Monroe Doctrine preceded Taft’s aggressive approach to using the U.S. dollar and diplomatic influence to secure U.S. investments abroad. This earned the popular title of “Dollar Diplomacy.” The significance of Roosevelt’s change was that our intervention now could be justified by the mere “appearance” that a country of interest to us was politically or fiscally vulnerable to European control. Not only did we claim a right, but even an official U.S. government “obligation” to protect our commercial interests from Europeans.
This new policy came on the heels of the “gunboat” diplomacy of the late 19th century, and it meant we could buy influence before resorting to the threat of force. By the time the “dollar diplomacy” of William Howard Taft was clearly articulated, the seeds of American empire were planted. And they were destined to grow in the fertile political soil of a country that lost its love and respect for the republic bequeathed to us by the authors of the Constitution. And indeed they did. It wasn’t too long before dollar “diplomacy” became dollar “hegemony” in the second half of the 20th century.
This transition only could have occurred with a dramatic change in monetary policy and the nature of the dollar itself.
Congress created the Federal Reserve System in 1913. Between then and 1971 the principle of sound money was systematically undermined. Between 1913 and 1971, the Federal Reserve found it much easier to expand the money supply at will for financing war or manipulating the economy with little resistance from Congress – while benefiting the special interests that influence government.
Dollar dominance got a huge boost after World War II. We were spared the destruction that so many other nations suffered, and our coffers were filled with the world’s gold. But the world chose not to return to the discipline of the gold standard, and the politicians applauded. Printing money to pay the bills was a lot more popular than taxing or restraining unnecessary spending. In spite of the short-term benefits, imbalances were institutionalized for decades to come.
The 1944 Bretton Woods agreement solidified the dollar as the preeminent world reserve currency, replacing the British pound. Due to our political and military muscle, and because we had a huge amount of physical gold, the world readily accepted our dollar (defined as 1/35th of an ounce of gold) as the world’s reserve currency. The dollar was said to be “as good as gold,” and convertible to all foreign central banks at that rate. For American citizens, however, it remained illegal to own. This was a gold-exchange standard that from inception was doomed to fail.
The U.S. did exactly what many predicted she would do. She printed more dollars for which there was no gold backing. But the world was content to accept those dollars for more than 25 years with little question – until the French and others in the late 1960s demanded we fulfill our promise to pay one ounce of gold for each $35 they delivered to the U.S. Treasury. This resulted in a huge gold drain that brought an end to a very poorly devised pseudo-gold standard.
It all ended on August 15, 1971, when Nixon closed the gold window and refused to pay out any of our remaining 280 million ounces of gold. In essence, we declared our insolvency and everyone recognized some other monetary system had to be devised in order to bring stability to the markets.
Amazingly, a new system was devised which allowed the U.S. to operate the printing presses for the world reserve currency with no restraints placed on it – not even a pretense of gold convertibility, none whatsoever! Though the new policy was even more deeply flawed, it nevertheless opened the door for dollar hegemony to spread.
Realizing the world was embarking on something new and mind-boggling, elite money managers, with especially strong support from U.S. authorities, struck an agreement with OPEC to price oil in U.S. dollars exclusively for all worldwide transactions. This gave the dollar a special place among world currencies and in essence “backed” the dollar with oil.
In return, the U.S. promised to protect the various oil-rich kingdoms in the Persian Gulf against threat of invasion or domestic coup. This arrangement helped ignite the radical Islamic movement among those who resented our influence in the region. The arrangement gave the dollar artificial strength, with tremendous financial benefits for the United States. It allowed us to export our monetary inflation by buying oil and other goods at a great discount as dollar influence flourished.
This post-Bretton Woods system was much more fragile than the system that existed between 1945 and 1971. Though the dollar/oil arrangement was helpful, it was not nearly as stable as the pseudo–gold standard under Bretton Woods. It certainly was less stable than the gold standard of the late 19th century.
During the 1970s the dollar nearly collapsed, as oil prices surged and gold skyrocketed to $800 an ounce. By 1979 interest rates of 21% were required to rescue the system. The pressure on the dollar in the 1970s, in spite of the benefits accrued to it, reflected reckless budget deficits and monetary inflation during the 1960s. The markets were not fooled by LBJ’s claim that we could afford both “guns and butter.”
Once again the dollar was rescued, and this ushered in the age of true dollar hegemony lasting from the early 1980s to the present. With tremendous cooperation coming from the central banks and international commercial banks, the dollar was accepted as if it were gold.
Fed Chair Alan Greenspan, on several occasions before the House Banking Committee, answered my challenges to him about his previously held favorable views on gold by claiming that he and other central bankers had gotten paper money – i.e. the dollar system – to respond as if it were gold. Each time I strongly disagreed, and pointed out that if they had achieved such a feat they would have defied centuries of economic history regarding the need for money to be something of real value. He smugly and confidently concurred with this.
In recent years central banks and various financial institutions, all with vested interests in maintaining a workable fiat dollar standard, were not secretive about selling and loaning large amounts of gold to the market even while decreasing gold prices raised serious questions about the wisdom of such a policy. They never admitted to gold price fixing, but the evidence is abundant that they believed if the gold price fell it would convey a sense of confidence to the market, confidence that they indeed had achieved amazing success in turning paper into gold.
Increasing gold prices historically are viewed as an indicator of distrust in paper currency. This recent effort was not a whole lot different than the U.S. Treasury selling gold at $35 an ounce in the 1960s, in an attempt to convince the world the dollar was sound and as good as gold. Even during the Depression, one of Roosevelt’s first acts was to remove free market gold pricing as an indication of a flawed monetary system by making it illegal for American citizens to own gold. Economic law eventually limited that effort, as it did in the early 1970s when our Treasury and the IMF tried to fix the price of gold by dumping tons into the market to dampen the enthusiasm of those seeking a safe haven for a falling dollar after gold ownership was re-legalized.
Once again the effort between 1980 and 2000 to fool the market as to the true value of the dollar proved unsuccessful. In the past 5 years the dollar has been devalued in terms of gold by more than 50%. You just can’t fool all the people all the time, even with the power of the mighty printing press and money creating system of the Federal Reserve.
Even with all the shortcomings of the fiat monetary system, dollar influence thrived. The results seemed beneficial, but gross distortions built into the system remained. And true to form, Washington politicians are only too anxious to solve the problems cropping up with window dressing, while failing to understand and deal with the underlying flawed policy.
Protectionism, fixing exchange rates, punitive tariffs, politically motivated sanctions, corporate subsidies, international trade management, price controls, interest rate and wage controls, super-nationalist sentiments, threats of force, and even war are resorted to – all to solve the problems artificially created by deeply flawed monetary and economic systems.
In the short run, the issuer of a fiat reserve currency can accrue great economic benefits.
In the long run, it poses a threat to the country issuing the world currency. In this case that’s the United States. As long as foreign countries take our dollars in return for real goods, we come out ahead. This is a benefit many in Congress fail to recognize, as they bash China for maintaining a positive trade balance with us. But this leads to a loss of manufacturing jobs to overseas markets, as we become more dependent on others and less self-sufficient. Foreign countries accumulate our dollars due to their high savings rates, and graciously loan them back to us at low interest rates to finance our excessive consumption.
It sounds like a great deal for everyone, except the time will come when our dollars – due to their depreciation – will be received less enthusiastically or even be rejected by foreign countries. That could create a whole new ballgame and force us to pay a price for living beyond our means and our production. The shift in sentiment regarding the dollar has already started, but the worst is yet to come.
The agreement with OPEC in the 1970s to price oil in dollars has provided tremendous artificial strength to the dollar as the preeminent reserve currency. This has created a universal demand for the dollar, and soaks up the huge number of new dollars generated each year. Last year alone M3 increased over $700 billion.
The artificial demand for our dollar, along with our military might, places us in the unique position to “rule” the world without productive work or savings, and without limits on consumer spending or deficits. The problem is, it can’t last.
Price inflation is raising its ugly head, and the NASDAQ bubble – generated by easy money – has burst. The housing bubble likewise created is deflating. Gold prices have doubled, and federal spending is out of sight with zero political will to rein it in. The trade deficit last year was over $728 billion. A $2 trillion war is raging, and plans are being laid to expand the war into Iran and possibly Syria. The only restraining force will be the world’s rejection of the dollar. It’s bound to come and create conditions worse than 1979–1980, which required 21% interest rates to correct. But everything possible will be done to protect the dollar in the meantime. We have a shared interest with those who hold our dollars to keep the whole charade going.
Greenspan, in his first speech after leaving the Fed, said that gold prices were up because of concern about terrorism, and not because of monetary concerns or because he created too many dollars during his tenure. Gold has to be discredited and the dollar propped up. Even when the dollar comes under serious attack by market forces, the central banks and the IMF surely will do everything conceivable to soak up the dollars in hope of restoring stability. Eventually they will fail.
Most importantly, the dollar/oil relationship has to be maintained to keep the dollar as a preeminent currency. Any attack on this relationship will be forcefully challenged – as it already has been.
In November 2000 Saddam Hussein demanded Euros for his oil. His arrogance was a threat to the dollar; his lack of any military might was never a threat. At the first cabinet meeting with the new administration in 2001, as reported by Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill, the major topic was how we would get rid of Saddam Hussein – though there was no evidence whatsoever he posed a threat to us. This deep concern for Saddam Hussein surprised and shocked O’Neill.
It now is common knowledge that the immediate reaction of the administration after 9/11 revolved around how they could connect Saddam Hussein to the attacks, to justify an invasion and overthrow of his government. Even with no evidence of any connection to 9/11, or evidence of weapons of mass destruction, public and congressional support was generated through distortions and flat out misrepresentation of the facts to justify overthrowing Saddam Hussein.
There was no public talk of removing Saddam Hussein because of his attack on the integrity of the dollar as a reserve currency by selling oil in Euros. Many believe this was the real reason for our obsession with Iraq. I doubt it was the only reason, but it may well have played a significant role in our motivation to wage war. Within a very short period after the military victory, all Iraqi oil sales were carried out in dollars. The Euro was abandoned.
In 2001, Venezuela’s ambassador to Russia spoke of Venezuela switching to the Euro for all their oil sales. Within a year there was a coup attempt against Chavez, reportedly with assistance from our CIA.
After these attempts to nudge the Euro toward replacing the dollar as the world’s reserve currency were met with resistance, the sharp fall of the dollar against the Euro was reversed. These events may well have played a significant role in maintaining dollar dominance.
It’s become clear the U.S. administration was sympathetic to those who plotted the overthrow of Chavez, and was embarrassed by its failure. The fact that Chavez was democratically elected had little influence on which side we supported.
Now, a new attempt is being made against the petrodollar system. Iran, another member of the “axis of evil,” has announced her plans to initiate an oil bourse in March of this year. Guess what, the oil sales will be priced Euros, not dollars.
Most Americans forget how our policies have systematically and needlessly antagonized the Iranians over the years. In 1953 the CIA helped overthrow a democratically elected president, Mohammed Mossadeqh, and install the authoritarian Shah, who was friendly to the U.S. The Iranians were still fuming over this when the hostages were seized in 1979.
Our alliance with Saddam Hussein in his invasion of Iran in the early 1980s did not help matters, and obviously did not do much for our relationship with Saddam Hussein. The administration announcement in 2001 that Iran was part of the axis of evil didn’t do much to improve the diplomatic relationship between our two countries. Recent threats over nuclear power, while ignoring the fact that they are surrounded by countries with nuclear weapons, doesn’t seem to register with those who continue to provoke Iran. With what most Muslims perceive as our war against Islam, and this recent history, there’s little wonder why Iran might choose to harm America by undermining the dollar. Iran, like Iraq, has zero capability to attack us. But that didn’t stop us from turning Saddam Hussein into a modern day Hitler ready to take over the world. Now Iran, especially since she’s made plans for pricing oil in Euros, has been on the receiving end of a propaganda war not unlike that waged against Iraq before our invasion.
It’s not likely that maintaining dollar supremacy was the only motivating factor for the war against Iraq, nor for agitating against Iran. Though the real reasons for going to war are complex, we now know the reasons given before the war started, like the presence of weapons of mass destruction and Saddam Hussein’s connection to 9/11, were false. The dollar’s importance is obvious, but this does not diminish the influence of the distinct plans laid out years ago by the neo-conservatives to remake the Middle East. Israel’s influence, as well as that of the Christian Zionists, likewise played a role in prosecuting this war. Protecting “our” oil supplies has influenced our Middle East policy for decades.
But the truth is that paying the bills for this aggressive intervention is impossible the old-fashioned way, with more taxes, more savings, and more production by the American people. Much of the expense of the Persian Gulf War in 1991 was shouldered by many of our willing allies. That’s not so today. Now, more than ever, the dollar hegemony – it’s dominance as the world reserve currency – is required to finance our huge war expenditures. This $2 trillion never-ending war must be paid for, one way or another. Dollar hegemony provides the vehicle to do just that.
For the most part the true victims aren’t aware of how they pay the bills. The license to create money out of thin air allows the bills to be paid through price inflation. American citizens, as well as average citizens of Japan, China, and other countries suffer from price inflation, which represents the “tax” that pays the bills for our military adventures. That is, until the fraud is discovered, and the foreign producers decide not to take dollars nor hold them very long in payment for their goods. Everything possible is done to prevent the fraud of the monetary system from being exposed to the masses who suffer from it. If oil markets replace dollars with Euros, it would in time curtail our ability to continue to print, without restraint, the world’s reserve currency.
It is an unbelievable benefit to us to import valuable goods and export depreciating dollars. The exporting countries have become addicted to our purchases for their economic growth. This dependency makes them allies in continuing the fraud, and their participation keeps the dollar’s value artificially high. If this system were workable long term, American citizens would never have to work again. We too could enjoy “bread and circuses” just as the Romans did, but their gold finally ran out and the inability of Rome to continue to plunder conquered nations brought an end to her empire.
The same thing will happen to us if we don’t change our ways. Though we don’t occupy foreign countries to directly plunder, we nevertheless have spread our troops across 130 nations of the world. Our intense effort to spread our power in the oil-rich Middle East is not a coincidence. But unlike the old days, we don’t declare direct ownership of the natural resources – we just insist that we can buy what we want and pay for it with our paper money. Any country that challenges our authority does so at great risk.
Once again Congress has bought into the war propaganda against Iran, just as it did against Iraq. Arguments are now made for attacking Iran economically, and militarily if necessary. These arguments are all based on the same false reasons given for the ill-fated and costly occupation of Iraq.
Our whole economic system depends on continuing the current monetary arrangement, which means recycling the dollar is crucial. Currently, we borrow over $700 billion every year from our gracious benefactors, who work hard and take our paper for their goods. Then we borrow all the money we need to secure the empire (DOD budget $450 billion) plus more. The military might we enjoy becomes the “backing” of our currency. There are no other countries that can challenge our military superiority, and therefore they have little choice but to accept the dollars we declare are today’s “gold.” This is why countries that challenge the system – like Iraq, Iran and Venezuela – become targets of our plans for regime change.
Ironically, dollar superiority depends on our strong military, and our strong military depends on the dollar. As long as foreign recipients take our dollars for real goods and are willing to finance our extravagant consumption and militarism, the status quo will continue regardless of how huge our foreign debt and current account deficit become.
But real threats come from our political adversaries who are incapable of confronting us militarily, yet are not bashful about confronting us economically. That’s why we see the new challenge from Iran being taken so seriously. The urgent arguments about Iran posing a military threat to the security of the United States are no more plausible than the false charges levied against Iraq. Yet there is no effort to resist this march to confrontation by those who grandstand for political reasons against the Iraq war.
It seems that the people and Congress are easily persuaded by the jingoism of the preemptive war promoters. It’s only after the cost in human life and dollars are tallied up that the people object to unwise militarism.
The strange thing is that the failure in Iraq is now apparent to a large majority of American people, yet they and Congress are acquiescing to the call for a needless and dangerous confrontation with Iran.
But then again, our failure to find Osama bin Laden and destroy his network did not dissuade us from taking on the Iraqis in a war totally unrelated to 9/11.
Concern for pricing oil only in dollars helps explain our willingness to drop everything and teach Saddam Hussein a lesson for his defiance in demanding Euros for oil.
And once again there’s this urgent call for sanctions and threats of force against Iran at the precise time Iran is opening a new oil exchange with all transactions in Euros.
Using force to compel people to accept money without real value can only work in the short run. It ultimately leads to economic dislocation, both domestic and international, and always ends with a price to be paid.
The economic law that honest exchange demands only things of real value as currency cannot be repealed. The chaos that one day will ensue from our 35-year experiment with worldwide fiat money will require a return to money of real value. We will know that day is approaching when oil-producing countries demand gold, or its equivalent, for their oil rather than dollars or Euros. The sooner the better.
February 17, 2006
Dr. Ron Paul is a Republican member of Congress from Texas.
Dr. Ron Paul, a Republican congressman from Texas, made a speech on the floor of the US House two days ago. I`ve appended the text hereunder and am embedding the link here.
Please go to this site and click on the box at the upper right hand above the text of the speech. You CAN WATCH the speech in whole on your computer. PLEASE WATCH it...
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul303.html
Before the US House of Representatives, February 15, 2006
A hundred years ago it was called “dollar diplomacy.” After World War II, and especially after the fall of the Soviet Union in 1989, that policy evolved into “dollar hegemony.” But after all these many years of great success, our dollar dominance is coming to an end.
It has been said, rightly, that he who holds the gold makes the rules. In earlier times it was readily accepted that fair and honest trade required an exchange for something of real value.
First it was simply barter of goods. Then it was discovered that gold held a universal attraction, and was a convenient substitute for more cumbersome barter transactions. Not only did gold facilitate exchange of goods and services, it served as a store of value for those who wanted to save for a rainy day.
Though money developed naturally in the marketplace, as governments grew in power they assumed monopoly control over money. Sometimes governments succeeded in guaranteeing the quality and purity of gold, but in time governments learned to outspend their revenues. New or higher taxes always incurred the disapproval of the people, so it wasn’t long before Kings and Caesars learned how to inflate their currencies by reducing the amount of gold in each coin – always hoping their subjects wouldn’t discover the fraud. But the people always did, and they strenuously objected.
This helped pressure leaders to seek more gold by conquering other nations. The people became accustomed to living beyond their means, and enjoyed the circuses and bread. Financing extravagances by conquering foreign lands seemed a logical alternative to working harder and producing more. Besides, conquering nations not only brought home gold, they brought home slaves as well. Taxing the people in conquered territories also provided an incentive to build empires. This system of government worked well for a while, but the moral decline of the people led to an unwillingness to produce for themselves.
There was a limit to the number of countries that could be sacked for their wealth, and this always brought empires to an end. When gold no longer could be obtained, their military might crumbled. In those days those who held the gold truly wrote the rules and lived well.
That general rule has held fast throughout the ages. When gold was used, and the rules protected honest commerce, productive nations thrived. Whenever wealthy nations – those with powerful armies and gold – strived only for empire and easy fortunes to support welfare at home, those nations failed.
Today the principles are the same, but the process is quite different. Gold no longer is the currency of the realm; paper is. The truth now is: “He who prints the money makes the rules” – at least for the time being. Although gold is not used, the goals are the same: compel foreign countries to produce and subsidize the country with military superiority and control over the monetary printing presses.
Since printing paper money is nothing short of counterfeiting, the issuer of the international currency must always be the country with the military might to guarantee control over the system. This magnificent scheme seems the perfect system for obtaining perpetual wealth for the country that issues the de facto world currency. The one problem, however, is that such a system destroys the character of the counterfeiting nation’s people – just as was the case when gold was the currency and it was obtained by conquering other nations. And this destroys the incentive to save and produce, while encouraging debt and runaway welfare.
The pressure at home to inflate the currency comes from the corporate welfare recipients, as well as those who demand handouts as compensation for their needs and perceived injuries by others. In both cases personal responsibility for one’s actions is rejected.
When paper money is rejected, or when gold runs out, wealth and political stability are lost. The country then must go from living beyond its means to living beneath its means, until the economic and political systems adjust to the new rules – rules no longer written by those who ran the now defunct printing press.
“Dollar Diplomacy,” a policy instituted by William Howard Taft and his Secretary of State Philander C. Knox, was designed to enhance U.S. commercial investments in Latin America and the Far East. McKinley concocted a war against Spain in 1898, and (Teddy) Roosevelt’s corollary to the Monroe Doctrine preceded Taft’s aggressive approach to using the U.S. dollar and diplomatic influence to secure U.S. investments abroad. This earned the popular title of “Dollar Diplomacy.” The significance of Roosevelt’s change was that our intervention now could be justified by the mere “appearance” that a country of interest to us was politically or fiscally vulnerable to European control. Not only did we claim a right, but even an official U.S. government “obligation” to protect our commercial interests from Europeans.
This new policy came on the heels of the “gunboat” diplomacy of the late 19th century, and it meant we could buy influence before resorting to the threat of force. By the time the “dollar diplomacy” of William Howard Taft was clearly articulated, the seeds of American empire were planted. And they were destined to grow in the fertile political soil of a country that lost its love and respect for the republic bequeathed to us by the authors of the Constitution. And indeed they did. It wasn’t too long before dollar “diplomacy” became dollar “hegemony” in the second half of the 20th century.
This transition only could have occurred with a dramatic change in monetary policy and the nature of the dollar itself.
Congress created the Federal Reserve System in 1913. Between then and 1971 the principle of sound money was systematically undermined. Between 1913 and 1971, the Federal Reserve found it much easier to expand the money supply at will for financing war or manipulating the economy with little resistance from Congress – while benefiting the special interests that influence government.
Dollar dominance got a huge boost after World War II. We were spared the destruction that so many other nations suffered, and our coffers were filled with the world’s gold. But the world chose not to return to the discipline of the gold standard, and the politicians applauded. Printing money to pay the bills was a lot more popular than taxing or restraining unnecessary spending. In spite of the short-term benefits, imbalances were institutionalized for decades to come.
The 1944 Bretton Woods agreement solidified the dollar as the preeminent world reserve currency, replacing the British pound. Due to our political and military muscle, and because we had a huge amount of physical gold, the world readily accepted our dollar (defined as 1/35th of an ounce of gold) as the world’s reserve currency. The dollar was said to be “as good as gold,” and convertible to all foreign central banks at that rate. For American citizens, however, it remained illegal to own. This was a gold-exchange standard that from inception was doomed to fail.
The U.S. did exactly what many predicted she would do. She printed more dollars for which there was no gold backing. But the world was content to accept those dollars for more than 25 years with little question – until the French and others in the late 1960s demanded we fulfill our promise to pay one ounce of gold for each $35 they delivered to the U.S. Treasury. This resulted in a huge gold drain that brought an end to a very poorly devised pseudo-gold standard.
It all ended on August 15, 1971, when Nixon closed the gold window and refused to pay out any of our remaining 280 million ounces of gold. In essence, we declared our insolvency and everyone recognized some other monetary system had to be devised in order to bring stability to the markets.
Amazingly, a new system was devised which allowed the U.S. to operate the printing presses for the world reserve currency with no restraints placed on it – not even a pretense of gold convertibility, none whatsoever! Though the new policy was even more deeply flawed, it nevertheless opened the door for dollar hegemony to spread.
Realizing the world was embarking on something new and mind-boggling, elite money managers, with especially strong support from U.S. authorities, struck an agreement with OPEC to price oil in U.S. dollars exclusively for all worldwide transactions. This gave the dollar a special place among world currencies and in essence “backed” the dollar with oil.
In return, the U.S. promised to protect the various oil-rich kingdoms in the Persian Gulf against threat of invasion or domestic coup. This arrangement helped ignite the radical Islamic movement among those who resented our influence in the region. The arrangement gave the dollar artificial strength, with tremendous financial benefits for the United States. It allowed us to export our monetary inflation by buying oil and other goods at a great discount as dollar influence flourished.
This post-Bretton Woods system was much more fragile than the system that existed between 1945 and 1971. Though the dollar/oil arrangement was helpful, it was not nearly as stable as the pseudo–gold standard under Bretton Woods. It certainly was less stable than the gold standard of the late 19th century.
During the 1970s the dollar nearly collapsed, as oil prices surged and gold skyrocketed to $800 an ounce. By 1979 interest rates of 21% were required to rescue the system. The pressure on the dollar in the 1970s, in spite of the benefits accrued to it, reflected reckless budget deficits and monetary inflation during the 1960s. The markets were not fooled by LBJ’s claim that we could afford both “guns and butter.”
Once again the dollar was rescued, and this ushered in the age of true dollar hegemony lasting from the early 1980s to the present. With tremendous cooperation coming from the central banks and international commercial banks, the dollar was accepted as if it were gold.
Fed Chair Alan Greenspan, on several occasions before the House Banking Committee, answered my challenges to him about his previously held favorable views on gold by claiming that he and other central bankers had gotten paper money – i.e. the dollar system – to respond as if it were gold. Each time I strongly disagreed, and pointed out that if they had achieved such a feat they would have defied centuries of economic history regarding the need for money to be something of real value. He smugly and confidently concurred with this.
In recent years central banks and various financial institutions, all with vested interests in maintaining a workable fiat dollar standard, were not secretive about selling and loaning large amounts of gold to the market even while decreasing gold prices raised serious questions about the wisdom of such a policy. They never admitted to gold price fixing, but the evidence is abundant that they believed if the gold price fell it would convey a sense of confidence to the market, confidence that they indeed had achieved amazing success in turning paper into gold.
Increasing gold prices historically are viewed as an indicator of distrust in paper currency. This recent effort was not a whole lot different than the U.S. Treasury selling gold at $35 an ounce in the 1960s, in an attempt to convince the world the dollar was sound and as good as gold. Even during the Depression, one of Roosevelt’s first acts was to remove free market gold pricing as an indication of a flawed monetary system by making it illegal for American citizens to own gold. Economic law eventually limited that effort, as it did in the early 1970s when our Treasury and the IMF tried to fix the price of gold by dumping tons into the market to dampen the enthusiasm of those seeking a safe haven for a falling dollar after gold ownership was re-legalized.
Once again the effort between 1980 and 2000 to fool the market as to the true value of the dollar proved unsuccessful. In the past 5 years the dollar has been devalued in terms of gold by more than 50%. You just can’t fool all the people all the time, even with the power of the mighty printing press and money creating system of the Federal Reserve.
Even with all the shortcomings of the fiat monetary system, dollar influence thrived. The results seemed beneficial, but gross distortions built into the system remained. And true to form, Washington politicians are only too anxious to solve the problems cropping up with window dressing, while failing to understand and deal with the underlying flawed policy.
Protectionism, fixing exchange rates, punitive tariffs, politically motivated sanctions, corporate subsidies, international trade management, price controls, interest rate and wage controls, super-nationalist sentiments, threats of force, and even war are resorted to – all to solve the problems artificially created by deeply flawed monetary and economic systems.
In the short run, the issuer of a fiat reserve currency can accrue great economic benefits.
In the long run, it poses a threat to the country issuing the world currency. In this case that’s the United States. As long as foreign countries take our dollars in return for real goods, we come out ahead. This is a benefit many in Congress fail to recognize, as they bash China for maintaining a positive trade balance with us. But this leads to a loss of manufacturing jobs to overseas markets, as we become more dependent on others and less self-sufficient. Foreign countries accumulate our dollars due to their high savings rates, and graciously loan them back to us at low interest rates to finance our excessive consumption.
It sounds like a great deal for everyone, except the time will come when our dollars – due to their depreciation – will be received less enthusiastically or even be rejected by foreign countries. That could create a whole new ballgame and force us to pay a price for living beyond our means and our production. The shift in sentiment regarding the dollar has already started, but the worst is yet to come.
The agreement with OPEC in the 1970s to price oil in dollars has provided tremendous artificial strength to the dollar as the preeminent reserve currency. This has created a universal demand for the dollar, and soaks up the huge number of new dollars generated each year. Last year alone M3 increased over $700 billion.
The artificial demand for our dollar, along with our military might, places us in the unique position to “rule” the world without productive work or savings, and without limits on consumer spending or deficits. The problem is, it can’t last.
Price inflation is raising its ugly head, and the NASDAQ bubble – generated by easy money – has burst. The housing bubble likewise created is deflating. Gold prices have doubled, and federal spending is out of sight with zero political will to rein it in. The trade deficit last year was over $728 billion. A $2 trillion war is raging, and plans are being laid to expand the war into Iran and possibly Syria. The only restraining force will be the world’s rejection of the dollar. It’s bound to come and create conditions worse than 1979–1980, which required 21% interest rates to correct. But everything possible will be done to protect the dollar in the meantime. We have a shared interest with those who hold our dollars to keep the whole charade going.
Greenspan, in his first speech after leaving the Fed, said that gold prices were up because of concern about terrorism, and not because of monetary concerns or because he created too many dollars during his tenure. Gold has to be discredited and the dollar propped up. Even when the dollar comes under serious attack by market forces, the central banks and the IMF surely will do everything conceivable to soak up the dollars in hope of restoring stability. Eventually they will fail.
Most importantly, the dollar/oil relationship has to be maintained to keep the dollar as a preeminent currency. Any attack on this relationship will be forcefully challenged – as it already has been.
In November 2000 Saddam Hussein demanded Euros for his oil. His arrogance was a threat to the dollar; his lack of any military might was never a threat. At the first cabinet meeting with the new administration in 2001, as reported by Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill, the major topic was how we would get rid of Saddam Hussein – though there was no evidence whatsoever he posed a threat to us. This deep concern for Saddam Hussein surprised and shocked O’Neill.
It now is common knowledge that the immediate reaction of the administration after 9/11 revolved around how they could connect Saddam Hussein to the attacks, to justify an invasion and overthrow of his government. Even with no evidence of any connection to 9/11, or evidence of weapons of mass destruction, public and congressional support was generated through distortions and flat out misrepresentation of the facts to justify overthrowing Saddam Hussein.
There was no public talk of removing Saddam Hussein because of his attack on the integrity of the dollar as a reserve currency by selling oil in Euros. Many believe this was the real reason for our obsession with Iraq. I doubt it was the only reason, but it may well have played a significant role in our motivation to wage war. Within a very short period after the military victory, all Iraqi oil sales were carried out in dollars. The Euro was abandoned.
In 2001, Venezuela’s ambassador to Russia spoke of Venezuela switching to the Euro for all their oil sales. Within a year there was a coup attempt against Chavez, reportedly with assistance from our CIA.
After these attempts to nudge the Euro toward replacing the dollar as the world’s reserve currency were met with resistance, the sharp fall of the dollar against the Euro was reversed. These events may well have played a significant role in maintaining dollar dominance.
It’s become clear the U.S. administration was sympathetic to those who plotted the overthrow of Chavez, and was embarrassed by its failure. The fact that Chavez was democratically elected had little influence on which side we supported.
Now, a new attempt is being made against the petrodollar system. Iran, another member of the “axis of evil,” has announced her plans to initiate an oil bourse in March of this year. Guess what, the oil sales will be priced Euros, not dollars.
Most Americans forget how our policies have systematically and needlessly antagonized the Iranians over the years. In 1953 the CIA helped overthrow a democratically elected president, Mohammed Mossadeqh, and install the authoritarian Shah, who was friendly to the U.S. The Iranians were still fuming over this when the hostages were seized in 1979.
Our alliance with Saddam Hussein in his invasion of Iran in the early 1980s did not help matters, and obviously did not do much for our relationship with Saddam Hussein. The administration announcement in 2001 that Iran was part of the axis of evil didn’t do much to improve the diplomatic relationship between our two countries. Recent threats over nuclear power, while ignoring the fact that they are surrounded by countries with nuclear weapons, doesn’t seem to register with those who continue to provoke Iran. With what most Muslims perceive as our war against Islam, and this recent history, there’s little wonder why Iran might choose to harm America by undermining the dollar. Iran, like Iraq, has zero capability to attack us. But that didn’t stop us from turning Saddam Hussein into a modern day Hitler ready to take over the world. Now Iran, especially since she’s made plans for pricing oil in Euros, has been on the receiving end of a propaganda war not unlike that waged against Iraq before our invasion.
It’s not likely that maintaining dollar supremacy was the only motivating factor for the war against Iraq, nor for agitating against Iran. Though the real reasons for going to war are complex, we now know the reasons given before the war started, like the presence of weapons of mass destruction and Saddam Hussein’s connection to 9/11, were false. The dollar’s importance is obvious, but this does not diminish the influence of the distinct plans laid out years ago by the neo-conservatives to remake the Middle East. Israel’s influence, as well as that of the Christian Zionists, likewise played a role in prosecuting this war. Protecting “our” oil supplies has influenced our Middle East policy for decades.
But the truth is that paying the bills for this aggressive intervention is impossible the old-fashioned way, with more taxes, more savings, and more production by the American people. Much of the expense of the Persian Gulf War in 1991 was shouldered by many of our willing allies. That’s not so today. Now, more than ever, the dollar hegemony – it’s dominance as the world reserve currency – is required to finance our huge war expenditures. This $2 trillion never-ending war must be paid for, one way or another. Dollar hegemony provides the vehicle to do just that.
For the most part the true victims aren’t aware of how they pay the bills. The license to create money out of thin air allows the bills to be paid through price inflation. American citizens, as well as average citizens of Japan, China, and other countries suffer from price inflation, which represents the “tax” that pays the bills for our military adventures. That is, until the fraud is discovered, and the foreign producers decide not to take dollars nor hold them very long in payment for their goods. Everything possible is done to prevent the fraud of the monetary system from being exposed to the masses who suffer from it. If oil markets replace dollars with Euros, it would in time curtail our ability to continue to print, without restraint, the world’s reserve currency.
It is an unbelievable benefit to us to import valuable goods and export depreciating dollars. The exporting countries have become addicted to our purchases for their economic growth. This dependency makes them allies in continuing the fraud, and their participation keeps the dollar’s value artificially high. If this system were workable long term, American citizens would never have to work again. We too could enjoy “bread and circuses” just as the Romans did, but their gold finally ran out and the inability of Rome to continue to plunder conquered nations brought an end to her empire.
The same thing will happen to us if we don’t change our ways. Though we don’t occupy foreign countries to directly plunder, we nevertheless have spread our troops across 130 nations of the world. Our intense effort to spread our power in the oil-rich Middle East is not a coincidence. But unlike the old days, we don’t declare direct ownership of the natural resources – we just insist that we can buy what we want and pay for it with our paper money. Any country that challenges our authority does so at great risk.
Once again Congress has bought into the war propaganda against Iran, just as it did against Iraq. Arguments are now made for attacking Iran economically, and militarily if necessary. These arguments are all based on the same false reasons given for the ill-fated and costly occupation of Iraq.
Our whole economic system depends on continuing the current monetary arrangement, which means recycling the dollar is crucial. Currently, we borrow over $700 billion every year from our gracious benefactors, who work hard and take our paper for their goods. Then we borrow all the money we need to secure the empire (DOD budget $450 billion) plus more. The military might we enjoy becomes the “backing” of our currency. There are no other countries that can challenge our military superiority, and therefore they have little choice but to accept the dollars we declare are today’s “gold.” This is why countries that challenge the system – like Iraq, Iran and Venezuela – become targets of our plans for regime change.
Ironically, dollar superiority depends on our strong military, and our strong military depends on the dollar. As long as foreign recipients take our dollars for real goods and are willing to finance our extravagant consumption and militarism, the status quo will continue regardless of how huge our foreign debt and current account deficit become.
But real threats come from our political adversaries who are incapable of confronting us militarily, yet are not bashful about confronting us economically. That’s why we see the new challenge from Iran being taken so seriously. The urgent arguments about Iran posing a military threat to the security of the United States are no more plausible than the false charges levied against Iraq. Yet there is no effort to resist this march to confrontation by those who grandstand for political reasons against the Iraq war.
It seems that the people and Congress are easily persuaded by the jingoism of the preemptive war promoters. It’s only after the cost in human life and dollars are tallied up that the people object to unwise militarism.
The strange thing is that the failure in Iraq is now apparent to a large majority of American people, yet they and Congress are acquiescing to the call for a needless and dangerous confrontation with Iran.
But then again, our failure to find Osama bin Laden and destroy his network did not dissuade us from taking on the Iraqis in a war totally unrelated to 9/11.
Concern for pricing oil only in dollars helps explain our willingness to drop everything and teach Saddam Hussein a lesson for his defiance in demanding Euros for oil.
And once again there’s this urgent call for sanctions and threats of force against Iran at the precise time Iran is opening a new oil exchange with all transactions in Euros.
Using force to compel people to accept money without real value can only work in the short run. It ultimately leads to economic dislocation, both domestic and international, and always ends with a price to be paid.
The economic law that honest exchange demands only things of real value as currency cannot be repealed. The chaos that one day will ensue from our 35-year experiment with worldwide fiat money will require a return to money of real value. We will know that day is approaching when oil-producing countries demand gold, or its equivalent, for their oil rather than dollars or Euros. The sooner the better.
February 17, 2006
Dr. Ron Paul is a Republican member of Congress from Texas.
#74 Posted by sattar2 on February 17, 2006 9:22:58 am
SR (#65) ...
Yours is an interesting, thought provoking viewpoint ... one that never occurred to me earlier. Thanks for taking the time to explain ...
#73 Posted by mohar11 on February 16, 2006 3:39:40 pm
72/par
I think india did offer troops/bases for Afganistan war against talibans[ thus inviting famous gyrating the hips quip from leftists m0r0ns :)] - but US declined defering to paki objections.....Even now india wouldn`t mind ``helping out`` in afganistan in terms of troops etc... But Iraq is a different story.... but then Iraq war cannot be consiedered war on terror....
In terms of troops - even Europe has provided support in Afganistan. Some european countries like Spain,Britain have supported Iraq war.....
And don`t worry about Kashmir - it has been ``taken care of``.....
I think india did offer troops/bases for Afganistan war against talibans[ thus inviting famous gyrating the hips quip from leftists m0r0ns :)] - but US declined defering to paki objections.....Even now india wouldn`t mind ``helping out`` in afganistan in terms of troops etc... But Iraq is a different story.... but then Iraq war cannot be consiedered war on terror....
In terms of troops - even Europe has provided support in Afganistan. Some european countries like Spain,Britain have supported Iraq war.....
And don`t worry about Kashmir - it has been ``taken care of``.....
#72 Posted by Pardesi on February 16, 2006 3:29:34 pm
# 70 Mohar
India and Japan did not provide any soldiers. I guess there were some Japanese peacekeepers in Afghanistan but no fighting force upfront. Indians support/appreciate it as long as they don’t have to contribute anything. Let`s just hope that they can take good care of Kashmir.
USA is the Gary Cooper of this “High Noon” drama.
#71 Posted by Pardesi on February 16, 2006 3:19:45 pm
# 69 SR
We are in agreement that America will have to go through a serious surgery and stay on diet, if the debt burden becomes unbearable. However, as you know, economic games are measured in relative terms and let’s see if other economic powers continue to perform as miraculously as we think they will.
9/11 however, is not seen by most of us here in terms of pure death count. It’s a pride issue too. From a superpower point of view, third rate folks coming from sand countries who are no competition in intellectual thought processes or technology have just gotten away with murder at the heart of our system. They need to be punished very hard and put to bed for good. Otherwise, every tom dick and harry will try to do this. It’s one thing to fight a conventional war with worthy and mighty competitors like Germans or Japanese but entirely different issue with this devious and conniving enemy that does not follow any conventional rules that were known before. Also, these folks derive support from folks who are otherwise normal and nice people but cannot be fully trusted whether they are leaders of countries or citizens of western nations.
Unfortunate part is that stakes for US and humanity are same as in WWII due to energy resources and to make matters worse many of our liberal friends do not have stomach for this gut wrenching slow but brutal war.
#70 Posted by mohar11 on February 16, 2006 2:08:09 pm
Re: # 68 par
[...who benefit (i.e., Japan, China, Europe, India) from our necessary actions - to keep the markets running - do not openly appreciate, and support, our efforts ...]
Wrong - atleast two [ India, Japan ] openly appreciate and support US actions on terror control..... In fact, India has been demanding such action long before 9/11 happened....
Europe has been reluctant - but they are slowly turning around.... China is a whole different story....
[...who benefit (i.e., Japan, China, Europe, India) from our necessary actions - to keep the markets running - do not openly appreciate, and support, our efforts ...]
Wrong - atleast two [ India, Japan ] openly appreciate and support US actions on terror control..... In fact, India has been demanding such action long before 9/11 happened....
Europe has been reluctant - but they are slowly turning around.... China is a whole different story....
#69 Posted by SR on February 16, 2006 11:50:24 am
Re: # 68 Pardesi {``...what can USA do NOW after 9/11 to stay solvent?...``}
``Americans are forcing even their friends into becoming their enemies. It is curious that the Americans, who calculate so carefully on the possibilities of military victory, do not realize that in the process they are incurring deep psychological and political defeat. The image of America will never again be the image of revolution, freedom and democracy, but the image of violence and militarism.``
Martin Luther King, Jr
Dr. King`s words of wisdom were as valid during the Vietnam era as they are today. Perhaps even more so today.
The American people have the talent and the capability to effect positive change both at home and globally. But it is the entrenched power structure and its strangle-hold over the federal governmant that is dragging the nation down with it. What is required is a Second American Revolution... nothing short of that is likely to straighten things out and we have a tragic case of Paradise Lost in front of us.
If one is to put things in their proper perspective, this whole 9/11 things is blown way out of proportion. There are far greater disasters that befall the nation on a regular basis. Take drunk driving auto-accident deaths, for instance. On an annual recurring basis that is a problem orders of magnitude greater than the >3,000 killed on 9/11... I am not saying that the 9/11 episode was nothing at all... no... it WAS a significant mile stone, but for crying out loud, lets be realistic and not loose perspective. It is a huge psychological dramma that is blown beyond its proportional scale.
A national policy that makes a determined effort (on the same scale as the national effort to put man on the moon was launched by JFK after Sputnik) to reduce reliance on fossil fuel by 75% over the next 15 years (to bring it in line with global norms) would go a long, long way and would have positive ramifications for enhancement of national security and betterment of foreign policy that no budgetry increase for Pentagon or Homeland Security could ever accomplish. That`s just one thought. I`m sure America is capable of lots and lots better. But first, the federal power has to be cut back. That greatest evil on earth has to be cut down to size.
...SR
``Americans are forcing even their friends into becoming their enemies. It is curious that the Americans, who calculate so carefully on the possibilities of military victory, do not realize that in the process they are incurring deep psychological and political defeat. The image of America will never again be the image of revolution, freedom and democracy, but the image of violence and militarism.``
Martin Luther King, Jr
Dr. King`s words of wisdom were as valid during the Vietnam era as they are today. Perhaps even more so today.
The American people have the talent and the capability to effect positive change both at home and globally. But it is the entrenched power structure and its strangle-hold over the federal governmant that is dragging the nation down with it. What is required is a Second American Revolution... nothing short of that is likely to straighten things out and we have a tragic case of Paradise Lost in front of us.
If one is to put things in their proper perspective, this whole 9/11 things is blown way out of proportion. There are far greater disasters that befall the nation on a regular basis. Take drunk driving auto-accident deaths, for instance. On an annual recurring basis that is a problem orders of magnitude greater than the >3,000 killed on 9/11... I am not saying that the 9/11 episode was nothing at all... no... it WAS a significant mile stone, but for crying out loud, lets be realistic and not loose perspective. It is a huge psychological dramma that is blown beyond its proportional scale.
A national policy that makes a determined effort (on the same scale as the national effort to put man on the moon was launched by JFK after Sputnik) to reduce reliance on fossil fuel by 75% over the next 15 years (to bring it in line with global norms) would go a long, long way and would have positive ramifications for enhancement of national security and betterment of foreign policy that no budgetry increase for Pentagon or Homeland Security could ever accomplish. That`s just one thought. I`m sure America is capable of lots and lots better. But first, the federal power has to be cut back. That greatest evil on earth has to be cut down to size.
...SR
#68 Posted by Pardesi on February 16, 2006 10:17:09 am
# 67 SR
For some reason I have soft corner for FDR. He did take some extreme measures to handle an extreme situation. On the other hand, LBJ just wanted to prove that he has overcome his southern biases and Nixon; well he was an egomaniac crook who had to finance Vietnam war. These leaders definitely helped in dissipating all that America had gained after WWII.
Real question is what can USA do NOW after 9/11 to stay solvent?
- Not pursue the terrorists where they come from? That may save money, but not a real solution for long-term smooth operation of global markets.
- Depend upon Europeans to take lead in this matter since they live closer to the devil and have started paying the price already anyway? I do not think Europeans, other than the UK, have the nuts to face their liberals or the enemy.
- Dump Israel and let jews fend for themselves? Not a bad idea except that the whole Middle East will be a disaster zone and “our oil fields” will be up in smoke.
Other than working on alternate energy sources, on a crash basis, I do not know what USA can do?
White man’s burden has become USA’s headache! Those who benefit (i.e., Japan, China, Europe, India) from our necessary actions - to keep the markets running - do not openly appreciate, and support, our efforts and those who suffer from our actions (i.e., ordinary innocent Arabs) are after our behind. I hope God is on our side :).
#67 Posted by SR on February 16, 2006 8:00:27 am
Re: # 66 by Pardesi {``...FDR only guilty of ... Social Security ... give him credit for pulling USA out of depression... federal work plans ... be forgiven.
Real culprit was LBJ ... open ended medicare... Time ... to reform it by ... controls... Republicans are more likely to do this dirty job...``}
FDR deserves as much credit in bringing an end to depression as Idi Amin Dada deserves for bringing an end to cannabalism... He was a sly fox who wasted public money in endless Big Government programs that probably ended up giving a tiny bit of benefit to the ``little man`` at catastrophic cost to posterity. Besides he was a thief, in the sense that it was under him that the gold convertibility of the dollar was ended for US citizens (presidential executive order 6102, on April 5, 1933). All gold was de-monitized and redeemed for $20.67 an oz ... shortly, thereafter, on January 31, 1934, gold was re-priced at $35 an oz. In other words, the US citizens were robbed. They were given $20.67 for something that FDR then turned around and re-priced at $35 as soon as they had parted with it... and we call Billy the Kid a bank rober???
As for LBJ, don`t even mention his name in decent company. He mortgaged America`s future for his cheap populist stunts. His actions were blatently destructive to America`s long term prosperity. And, of course, Nixon was an even bigger crook. He was unnecessarily blamed for the minor infringement of Watergate. While his real CRIME is hardly ever mentioned. He committed that ignoble crime on August 15, 1971. From that day on US federal government became a true neo-imperialist power and exploiter of the world. From that day on the US govt could simply run the printing press without any constraint and churn out an infinite amount of paper called DOLLARS and exchange them for whatsoever anywhere in the wolrd. Oil, iron, bananas, Sony TVs, Toyota cars, plastic toys etc, etc,... in other words all the things that require capital, land, labor, energy and enterprise to produce could simply be exchanged for intrinsically worthless paper that cost the US Fed virtually nothing to produce. The hard work and labor of the American people too was thus being paid for... and their savings would erode in value over time... thus the incentive to save was destroyed, debt was glorified and a perpetual inflationary cycle -- that had begun back in 1913 with the inaguration of the federal reserve -- was put in high gear.
And then of course, the crowning act came in 2000 whereafter Allah decided to finally intervene and do His work in mysterious ways... As a case in point: The most secular government (a dictatorship like all others) in the Middle East was toppled and an Islamic Theocracy of the Ayatullahs put in its place. ... subhaan-allah...
The technical insolvency of the empire has exceeded even absurd levels and passed into the realm of the surreal. The debt accummulated since 2000 is greater than ALL the debt from the Declaration of Independence to the day when Ronal Regan took office. And ``W`` has spent more and approved more pork than even LBJ, if that is possible to imagine. Who says Republicans are fiscially responsible. Now a days there are no Democrats or Republicans, there are only Republicrats.
Bizzare as it may sound Texas has become the new beacon of hope for Islamic Revival ...
...SR
Real culprit was LBJ ... open ended medicare... Time ... to reform it by ... controls... Republicans are more likely to do this dirty job...``}
FDR deserves as much credit in bringing an end to depression as Idi Amin Dada deserves for bringing an end to cannabalism... He was a sly fox who wasted public money in endless Big Government programs that probably ended up giving a tiny bit of benefit to the ``little man`` at catastrophic cost to posterity. Besides he was a thief, in the sense that it was under him that the gold convertibility of the dollar was ended for US citizens (presidential executive order 6102, on April 5, 1933). All gold was de-monitized and redeemed for $20.67 an oz ... shortly, thereafter, on January 31, 1934, gold was re-priced at $35 an oz. In other words, the US citizens were robbed. They were given $20.67 for something that FDR then turned around and re-priced at $35 as soon as they had parted with it... and we call Billy the Kid a bank rober???
As for LBJ, don`t even mention his name in decent company. He mortgaged America`s future for his cheap populist stunts. His actions were blatently destructive to America`s long term prosperity. And, of course, Nixon was an even bigger crook. He was unnecessarily blamed for the minor infringement of Watergate. While his real CRIME is hardly ever mentioned. He committed that ignoble crime on August 15, 1971. From that day on US federal government became a true neo-imperialist power and exploiter of the world. From that day on the US govt could simply run the printing press without any constraint and churn out an infinite amount of paper called DOLLARS and exchange them for whatsoever anywhere in the wolrd. Oil, iron, bananas, Sony TVs, Toyota cars, plastic toys etc, etc,... in other words all the things that require capital, land, labor, energy and enterprise to produce could simply be exchanged for intrinsically worthless paper that cost the US Fed virtually nothing to produce. The hard work and labor of the American people too was thus being paid for... and their savings would erode in value over time... thus the incentive to save was destroyed, debt was glorified and a perpetual inflationary cycle -- that had begun back in 1913 with the inaguration of the federal reserve -- was put in high gear.
And then of course, the crowning act came in 2000 whereafter Allah decided to finally intervene and do His work in mysterious ways... As a case in point: The most secular government (a dictatorship like all others) in the Middle East was toppled and an Islamic Theocracy of the Ayatullahs put in its place. ... subhaan-allah...
The technical insolvency of the empire has exceeded even absurd levels and passed into the realm of the surreal. The debt accummulated since 2000 is greater than ALL the debt from the Declaration of Independence to the day when Ronal Regan took office. And ``W`` has spent more and approved more pork than even LBJ, if that is possible to imagine. Who says Republicans are fiscially responsible. Now a days there are no Democrats or Republicans, there are only Republicrats.
Bizzare as it may sound Texas has become the new beacon of hope for Islamic Revival ...
...SR
#66 Posted by Pardesi on February 16, 2006 5:30:53 am
# 65 SR
FDR was only guilty of instituting Social Security system and who knew at the time that people will live way beyond 65. Also, you have to give him credit for pulling USA out of depression and therefore federal work plans etc can be forgiven.
Real culprit was LBJ with the open ended medicare system. Time has now come to reform it by putting some controls around it. Republicans are more likely to do this dirty job but then you don`t like our president and his party :).
#65 Posted by SR on February 16, 2006 4:48:20 am
Re: # 64 by sattar2 {``...What`s the fuss about FDR? ...``}
FDR was the one who, for the first time, decisively increased the power of the federal government. He was thus, in my humble view, the one responsible to have enabled the federal government`s machinery to where it could exercise imperial power.
One could go even further back and argue that, James Polk, Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt and Wilson are also to be held responsible. Polk for his ``manifest destiny`` and expansion of the western territory after Mexican war of 1846. Lincoln for strengthening the federal government. Teddy for the exploits of Spanish-American war that started foreign imperial adventurism in earnest. And lastly, Wilson, for butting his nose into European affairs and entring First World War despite having sworn to the contrary. However, I chose to begin with FDR because until then the US was arguably still a benevolent Great Power. Not thereafter.
America is a unique and great place. The ideals on which the nation was founded are the loftiest any civilization could aspire towards. The average people of America are amongst the most decent, kind, gentle, good hearted and generous of any people anywhere. This country could have been, and indeed should have been true paradise on earth. A Great Dream come true, if you will.
But the Great Dream has been eclipsed by the creation and dominance of a most evil force. That evil force is the greatest evil on planet earth today. That greatest of all evils is called the ``Federal Government of the United States.``
...SR
FDR was the one who, for the first time, decisively increased the power of the federal government. He was thus, in my humble view, the one responsible to have enabled the federal government`s machinery to where it could exercise imperial power.
One could go even further back and argue that, James Polk, Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt and Wilson are also to be held responsible. Polk for his ``manifest destiny`` and expansion of the western territory after Mexican war of 1846. Lincoln for strengthening the federal government. Teddy for the exploits of Spanish-American war that started foreign imperial adventurism in earnest. And lastly, Wilson, for butting his nose into European affairs and entring First World War despite having sworn to the contrary. However, I chose to begin with FDR because until then the US was arguably still a benevolent Great Power. Not thereafter.
America is a unique and great place. The ideals on which the nation was founded are the loftiest any civilization could aspire towards. The average people of America are amongst the most decent, kind, gentle, good hearted and generous of any people anywhere. This country could have been, and indeed should have been true paradise on earth. A Great Dream come true, if you will.
But the Great Dream has been eclipsed by the creation and dominance of a most evil force. That evil force is the greatest evil on planet earth today. That greatest of all evils is called the ``Federal Government of the United States.``
...SR
#64 Posted by sattar2 on February 15, 2006 4:31:47 pm
... ok SR (#63),
What`s the fuss about FDR?
I am curious ... please elaborate ...
thanks
#63 Posted by SR on February 15, 2006 12:07:14 pm
The American Dream might have had a fighting chance if assholes had not taken over... The First Real Asshole being FDR, followed by others and then the crowning asshole act came in 2000.
#62 Posted by Ahmadzai on February 15, 2006 11:53:26 am
Tahmed Re: # 60:
Yes, I think it was funny. I would just like to add that the American Andre Agassi is going great with German Steffi Graff, something he was not able to achieve with fellow American Brooke Shield or whoever.
:-)
Yes, I think it was funny. I would just like to add that the American Andre Agassi is going great with German Steffi Graff, something he was not able to achieve with fellow American Brooke Shield or whoever.
:-)
#61 Posted by tahmed32 on February 14, 2006 2:05:57 pm
hamidm #56 i see urstruly did make a token appearance to acknowledge his leading role in the play, but his response is no response. You get the gold!!
#60 Posted by tahmed32 on February 14, 2006 2:01:01 pm
ahmedzai #52 i have not followed this ``sub-thread`` between you, kulharee and maxwellcoffee but you have to admit that kulharee taking your list of ``Steffi Graff, Boris Becker, Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, Beckenbaur, etc. `` and turning them into guards at a nazi concentration camp was funny. :-)
#59 Posted by Kulharee on February 14, 2006 1:32:04 pm
Re # 58
If I am not mistaken they were the guards at Konzentrationslagers. Your turn will come one day, for now, eat your brotchen and jink your Pils and dream of the United States.
If I am not mistaken they were the guards at Konzentrationslagers. Your turn will come one day, for now, eat your brotchen and jink your Pils and dream of the United States.
#58 Posted by Jamesmaxwell on February 14, 2006 1:11:10 pm
Re: # 52
Well said Ahmadzai. But given the level of general knowledge in the US, I doubt that he has heard of these people.
Well said Ahmadzai. But given the level of general knowledge in the US, I doubt that he has heard of these people.
#57 Posted by Urstruly on February 14, 2006 12:04:02 pm
Re: # 56
stop putting ideas in my head with phrases like `` heifers in tight jeans``, you masihi choohay
stop putting ideas in my head with phrases like `` heifers in tight jeans``, you masihi choohay
#56 Posted by hamidm2 on February 14, 2006 11:27:36 am
Re: # 54
tahmed mian,
..... i hope maulana urstruly gets to read this - you know i have this long running love affair with him ! ......if he doesn`t show up on this board i`ll have to re-post it untill i get a response from him - i know it sounds perverse, but i do get a kick out of riling him !
tahmed mian,
..... i hope maulana urstruly gets to read this - you know i have this long running love affair with him ! ......if he doesn`t show up on this board i`ll have to re-post it untill i get a response from him - i know it sounds perverse, but i do get a kick out of riling him !
#55 Posted by tahmed32 on February 14, 2006 10:58:34 am
kulharee: actually it is not eurotrash that i am worried about. it is the muslimtrash who are right now are rampaging around in lahore. damn these ``muslims``.
#54 Posted by tahmed32 on February 14, 2006 10:56:15 am
enjoyed reading it, hamidm. but soon, it will be covered in a blanket of snow, i mean posts. Please submit it to Ms. Versey as an article. if you dont, i hereby threaten to send it to Ms. Versey Editor-in-Chief myself and demand it be published or else the entire muslim world will be up in arms burning buildings, making red danish flags and burning them, overturning cars, and holding their breath until they all turn blue!! That will teach the rest of the world a lesson on how you dont mess with the ``muslim`` world.
(note to love2love: in anticipation of your question, here is the answer: the above is tongue-in-cheek too. )
(note to love2love: in anticipation of your question, here is the answer: the above is tongue-in-cheek too. )
#53 Posted by hamidm2 on February 14, 2006 10:23:46 am
medina on my mind - a recent conversation with mullah urstruly of flint
(in a ramshackle old bar in the dilapidated city of flint in south east michigan, the mullah and the sage (that would be me) are sitting at a wobbly table on which years ago mary jo and bubba joe had carved out their names with his hunting knife – the same hunting knife that bubba had used to skin a deer that he had run over with his ford truck earlier in the day.............the mullah , his long face made longer by the scraggly moslem beard that covered his sallow cheeks , looks morose and down in the dumps as he sips on a shirley temple.......... the sage, as usual looks plump and happy clutching his gin and tonic, his chubby cheeks glowing in the flashing red and pink neon lights from the juke box playing “georgia on my mind “ )
sage : mullah ji, why the long face ? .............. i know that crystal gayle can make a grown man cry, but you are not from georgia ......... i would understand your dark mood if it had been the sabri brothers wailing about medina ........ peenay walo chalo, beyaban mein bahar aye hai .........ah ha !.......... gumbad-i-sabz par rehmat ki ghata ...........
mullah urstruly: shut up you fat kafir shaitan ..........sharam nahin aati – comparing medina to georgia and the love of our prophet - peace be upon him – with lust for some yokel in alabama .......... you know i hate it when brown people try to act white ............ who the heck is crystal gayle – yo mama ?
sage : no!.... you mama !........bhai meray, mat hi poocho, she had a face to die for and long dark hair would make you forget the seventy buxom houris that are neither here nor there ..........and, by the way, it is georgia and not alabama .........
mullah urstruly: it is all the same – this country stinks and if i had the gonads, or a million dollars in the bank, or a nickle’s worth of self respect, I would leave tomorrow ............ all their women are whores and the men are pimps who would sell their own mother for a gin and coke ..............
sage: mulla ji, you should get out of flint more often – even michael moore left this hell hole ................ and it is gin and tonic.............. gin and coke sounds disgusting and I don’t think it is a legitimate drink..........although, on second thought, I think it is rather bourgeois to make up silly rules like that ...... if a man wants to drink gin with coke, he should be able to ....... how much respect can you get for a nickel and why do you need a million – how about half a million ?
mullah urstruly: goddam these bastards !................ they have me trapped – my mortgage is half a million and i still owe on the cadillac and the big screen tv and the new granite tops in the kitchen and the riding lawn mower and ..........they are illegitimate bastards – most of them don’t even have a father as their lesbian mothers got their eggs impregnated in a Petri dish ..........
sage: i hope you didn’t give at the fertility clinic during last ramadhan – you don’t want your aulad running with the infidel, do you ?
mullah urstruly: oh, shut up .......you know that in-vitro is haram in islam and besides, I wouldn’t give these people the time of the day ........... they are killing our brothers and sisters in iraq and afghanistan and wana
sage: ( taking another sip and letting out a deep sigh) : wana ?....... i thought that moslems were killing other moslems in wana ..........and what is with this sister business – if every moslem woman is your sister then how do you get laid ?
mullah urstruly : nonsense !...... musharraf, the illegitimate son of nehru, , is an agent of these people – the zionists and ahmedis - and he is killing us .........and a sister is only a sister until she is not a sister – samjhay ?
sage: no, not really, but is musharrraf nehru’s son ? ......... another gin and tonic, and give my friend another shirley temple
mullah urstruly: ...... he was born in delhi, wasn’t he ? ……and just look at him, he has that peaked and hungry hindoo look – no noor on his face like a true momins’s ...........are you sure there is nothing in this drink – i wouldn’t put it past you to try and slip me that poison .....
sage: mullah ji, i don’t understand what you have against drinking and women ........ if the holy book promises you wine and houris in jannah – why can’t we have it here ? ........and what is that big black mark on your forhead – someone hit you with a two by four ?
mullah urstruly : jahil !....... it is the mark of a pious man who spends his life with his head bowed before his maker ..........
sage: but you do realize that at the same time, your butt is pointed at him too ?
mullah urstruly: la holay wala quwat ..........
sage: but really, how much self respect can you get for a nickel ?
mullah urstruly: look, stop messing with my head – it is bad enough working for the white man designing motor mount brackets for the hummer and paying taxes .......
sage (slurring) : but at least you don’t pay the jizzaya surcharge
mullah urstruly (smiling) : thank god for small blessings .......... hey, you know i refinanced at a fixed 4.75 % rate – what a deal !
sage (slurring more): but i thought interest was haram ?
mullah urstruly (animated) : it is only haram when doing business with other muslims – if these foolish infidels want to throw away their money, we must help them ........bastards !
sage (slurring even more) : this is a great country , isn’t it?....... you remember your blonde girlfriend from saginaw – now that was some babe !
mullah urstruly (agitated): astagfirullah !......... praise be to allah, those days are behind me – i have seen the folly of my ways ........
sage (spilling his glass on the table) : but are you getting laid ? ...........
mullah urstruly: imbecile !......... masihi choohay !
sage (gets up to go to the john and stumbles ): christian rat ? ......... i thought hindoos worshiped rats – i saw it on the discovery channel .......but then some hindoos eat rats ......talk about being confused - those guys are really messed up !
mullah urstruly : i thought the horrible hindoos are your friends ..........
sage (reaching out to hug the mullah) : everyone is my friend, but all my friends are fucked up .......... i love you .........
mullah urstruly (wiping a tear from his eye) : i love you too ............ and inshallah we will go out and do dawa together this sunday .............
sage ( looking at two corn-fed heifers in tight jeans ) : why wait till sunday – we should go and talk to those sisters over there – they would look cute in hijabs and god knows they should cover up in extra large abayas .............
mullah urstruly (with a twinkle in his eye): gumbad-i-sabz per, rehmat ki ghata chayee hai; peenay walo chalo, beyaban mein bahar ayee hai ........... allah allah, ghulaman-i-muhammad key leya, sehra mein bahar uttar aye hai ............
sage (with his arm around the mullah’s shoulders) :
melodies bring memories
that linger in my heart
make me think of georgia
why did we ever part?
some sweet day when blossoms fall
and all the world`s a song ..........
i`ll go back to georgia
`cause that`s where I belong
#52 Posted by Ahmadzai on February 14, 2006 10:20:12 am
James:
I think Kulharee’s Kobe Bryant should be compared with Steffi Graff, Boris Becker, Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, Beckenbaur, etc.
Also, imho, Kulharee is only good for discussing thrash metal music. Generally, he is upset with the world. Hence, his aggressive attitude. I would ignore him for any non-music discussion.
:-)
I think Kulharee’s Kobe Bryant should be compared with Steffi Graff, Boris Becker, Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, Beckenbaur, etc.
Also, imho, Kulharee is only good for discussing thrash metal music. Generally, he is upset with the world. Hence, his aggressive attitude. I would ignore him for any non-music discussion.
:-)
#51 Posted by arjun_m on February 14, 2006 10:15:07 am
#49 by jamesmaxwell on February 14, 2006 8:25am PT
So Pakistani Muslims are burning their own cities to protest caricatures of Muhammed in a Danish newspaper!
They`re protesting the depiction of ol`mo as a violent nut..that`s like a million irony points..
So Pakistani Muslims are burning their own cities to protest caricatures of Muhammed in a Danish newspaper!
They`re protesting the depiction of ol`mo as a violent nut..that`s like a million irony points..
#50 Posted by Ajeet on February 14, 2006 9:47:37 am
Re # 48
I hope the Dunkin Donuts suvived.
Manto let us know it is so.
I hope the Dunkin Donuts suvived.
Manto let us know it is so.
#49 Posted by Jamesmaxwell on February 14, 2006 8:25:32 am
Re: # 48
Thanks for the (unsolicited) advice. I get news from all sources and make up my own mind.
So Pakistani Muslims are burning their own cities to protest caricatures of Muhammed in a Danish newspaper! If there was a Nobel Prize for idiocy, Muslims would win it hands down!
Thanks for the (unsolicited) advice. I get news from all sources and make up my own mind.
So Pakistani Muslims are burning their own cities to protest caricatures of Muhammed in a Danish newspaper! If there was a Nobel Prize for idiocy, Muslims would win it hands down!
#48 Posted by Kulharee on February 14, 2006 8:05:45 am
T Saab.. just a few minutes ago, Lahoris in their unmatched love of the Prophet Mohammad Salamwalam, etc. burnt down KFC, Pizza Huts, Holiday Inn, and anything remotely “American”, and American newspapers didn’t even print the cartoons. What do you have to say to that? What do you think that Americans should do?
What Europeans need is a couple more riots of the French magnitude, a few more trains bombings, some more killings (excuse me, slaying) of the Artists, some more cartoons. They are on the right track. Europe is the asshole of humanity, with its capital in Brussels.
James, I admire your not feeling the need to prove your loyalty to your whatever country and it will be equally appreciated if you didn’t read Eurotrash to learn about the United States. Watch Fox news. It’s the best.
Auf Wiedersehen
What Europeans need is a couple more riots of the French magnitude, a few more trains bombings, some more killings (excuse me, slaying) of the Artists, some more cartoons. They are on the right track. Europe is the asshole of humanity, with its capital in Brussels.
James, I admire your not feeling the need to prove your loyalty to your whatever country and it will be equally appreciated if you didn’t read Eurotrash to learn about the United States. Watch Fox news. It’s the best.
Auf Wiedersehen
#47 Posted by tahmed32 on February 14, 2006 7:22:39 am
actually, europe is now lagging behind the US bigtime - the per capta income is 25% below the US, and falling.
the big question is: why is the US on the upswing while europe and japan, the traditional rich countries, are on the downswing?
Kulharee knows everything - so kulharee what is the reason?? 300 million europeans are waiting for your answer.
the big question is: why is the US on the upswing while europe and japan, the traditional rich countries, are on the downswing?
Kulharee knows everything - so kulharee what is the reason?? 300 million europeans are waiting for your answer.
#46 Posted by Jamesmaxwell on February 14, 2006 7:21:05 am
Re: # 43
Seeing some of your posts here, I have no doubt you can crank it up several notches, not just one notch. In any case, I think this is a futile debate. If you love America and believe in the American dream, good luck to you. As for me, I have never felt the need to prove my loyalty to my country to anyone. (By the way, I am not German).
Seeing some of your posts here, I have no doubt you can crank it up several notches, not just one notch. In any case, I think this is a futile debate. If you love America and believe in the American dream, good luck to you. As for me, I have never felt the need to prove my loyalty to my country to anyone. (By the way, I am not German).
#45 Posted by tahmed32 on February 14, 2006 7:15:52 am
aslam: i guess the boys from jhelum care more about jobs then about political correctness. :-)
#44 Posted by tahmed32 on February 14, 2006 7:14:15 am
gotterdamerung!! was ist die problem, mein Herr??
the german comeback kulharee wanted :-)
the german comeback kulharee wanted :-)
#43 Posted by Kulharee on February 14, 2006 7:09:40 am
James, I think I am being politely aggressive, unless you want me to kick it up a notch. Now let`s hear your German comeback.
#42 Posted by Jamesmaxwell on February 14, 2006 6:59:03 am
Re: # 41
Why are you so aggressive, Kulharee? Don`t you know how to have an exchange of ideas in a polite manner? What is it to me if you don`t like Germany or the German chancellor?!
Why are you so aggressive, Kulharee? Don`t you know how to have an exchange of ideas in a polite manner? What is it to me if you don`t like Germany or the German chancellor?!
#41 Posted by Kulharee on February 14, 2006 6:47:04 am
Re: # 37
James..what’s the biggest export of Germany? Lemme guess: industrial ovens and chemicals. For crying out loud, Kobe Bryant is known more around the world than your Chancellor, whatsername Merkel?
Re: # 40
Marshakala,, a good question. You should also ask why the world is fascinated with the US? Here we have Germans comparing themselves with the US..haha. and not to mention the Frogs. We don’t think that we are defending the “American Dream” we are just informing the misinformed because Europeans in general are the biggest hypocrites, while they talk about equality on one hand, and don’t allow headscarf to be worn by Muslims on the other. In Badden Wottenburg Germany, it is unlawful for teachers to wear headscarves in the school premises. And this guy James is lecturing us on the German exports. Where do you think his head is?
James..what’s the biggest export of Germany? Lemme guess: industrial ovens and chemicals. For crying out loud, Kobe Bryant is known more around the world than your Chancellor, whatsername Merkel?
Re: # 40
Marshakala,, a good question. You should also ask why the world is fascinated with the US? Here we have Germans comparing themselves with the US..haha. and not to mention the Frogs. We don’t think that we are defending the “American Dream” we are just informing the misinformed because Europeans in general are the biggest hypocrites, while they talk about equality on one hand, and don’t allow headscarf to be worn by Muslims on the other. In Badden Wottenburg Germany, it is unlawful for teachers to wear headscarves in the school premises. And this guy James is lecturing us on the German exports. Where do you think his head is?
#40 Posted by marshakala on February 14, 2006 6:16:29 am
Just wondering: If the American dream is alive and strong, why then do so many people here and elsewhere feel they have to defend it vehemently and even aggressively? Is the US a religion?
#39 Posted by aslam644 on February 14, 2006 5:42:41 am
tahmed
what is it with jehlum, gujrat, sialkot, there is a massive exodus of young men from there into europe.
what is it with jehlum, gujrat, sialkot, there is a massive exodus of young men from there into europe.
#38 Posted by tahmed32 on February 14, 2006 4:48:06 am
#35 your wish indeed had come true
as you made your chowk debut!!
love2love on valentines day
appropriate nick, by the way
as you made your chowk debut!!
love2love on valentines day
appropriate nick, by the way
#37 Posted by Jamesmaxwell on February 14, 2006 1:02:09 am
Re: # 17
First, some corrections to my original post. Western Germany has pumped 1.2 trillion euros into the former East Germany, not 600 billion euros as I had mentioned. Secondly, Germany is the world`s largest exporter, not the second-largest exporter.
It is simplistic to compare race relations in Europe with race relations in the US. The history and causes of immigration to the US and immigration to Europe are completely different. On average, the Arabs of France are doing as good or as bad as the blacks living in ghettoes in the US.
For a different look into the American dream, and how immigrants fare in the US compared to in Europe, read this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/4159974.stm
First, some corrections to my original post. Western Germany has pumped 1.2 trillion euros into the former East Germany, not 600 billion euros as I had mentioned. Secondly, Germany is the world`s largest exporter, not the second-largest exporter.
It is simplistic to compare race relations in Europe with race relations in the US. The history and causes of immigration to the US and immigration to Europe are completely different. On average, the Arabs of France are doing as good or as bad as the blacks living in ghettoes in the US.
For a different look into the American dream, and how immigrants fare in the US compared to in Europe, read this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/4159974.stm
#36 Posted by qusman1 on February 13, 2006 11:36:04 pm
IMO, there is a layer on American that a lot of people find really hard to crack, and that is Protestant Guilt.
It results in a finicky, obsessive, self-improving culture that is particualrly good at examining itself for deficiencies (cf. Shining India).
A lot of the present hype regarding science & math is a part of the same phenomenon.
The US trains engineers far better than China or India. But its National Academies deliberately exaggerate figures to create a different impression.
Anyway, all of this does create a certain aura for us brown skins.
It results in a finicky, obsessive, self-improving culture that is particualrly good at examining itself for deficiencies (cf. Shining India).
A lot of the present hype regarding science & math is a part of the same phenomenon.
The US trains engineers far better than China or India. But its National Academies deliberately exaggerate figures to create a different impression.
Anyway, all of this does create a certain aura for us brown skins.
#35 Posted by Love2love on February 13, 2006 8:31:48 pm
Re: # 34
I sincrealy wish you are being tongue-in-cheek and which is a tad different than being ironic.
I sincrealy wish you are being tongue-in-cheek and which is a tad different than being ironic.
#34 Posted by tahmed32 on February 13, 2006 8:19:22 pm
one way to avoid racism is to stay in pakistan and not go to europe. you can then walk around in the land of the pure, where people are so much more superior to europeans morally speaking.
#33 Posted by tahmed32 on February 13, 2006 8:16:50 pm
bjkumar: what is this index you are talking about??
as for ``insulting the author``, I am sorry if that sounds insulting to you. but am i wrong in saying that the whole article is an exercise in unintended irony?? which is basically what i am saying in #29.
as for ``insulting the author``, I am sorry if that sounds insulting to you. but am i wrong in saying that the whole article is an exercise in unintended irony?? which is basically what i am saying in #29.
#32 Posted by malik99 on February 13, 2006 8:10:42 pm
hamdim # 7 is right on the mark in regards to racism.
Americans indeed have made tremendous progress in scaling down racism from work place and american culture. That is not to say that racism at many levels does not exist in american society today. It surely does and the blacks would be the first one to say so. However, the mainstream society recognizes it as a problem and has frameworks in place to deal with it.
This is not the same in europe, which has historically kept the immigrants at bay and the non-white immigrants on the sidelines. The second generation of Pakistani americans consider US to be their home, something I dont see in second generation of european pakistanis. Japan, China and Middle East also suffer from the same desease, although to a bit lesser degree than Australians and East Europeans - who are by far the most racist people (in general).
So lets give the credit where it is due - countering racism in our societies is one area where the US could serve as a role model for the entire world.
Americans indeed have made tremendous progress in scaling down racism from work place and american culture. That is not to say that racism at many levels does not exist in american society today. It surely does and the blacks would be the first one to say so. However, the mainstream society recognizes it as a problem and has frameworks in place to deal with it.
This is not the same in europe, which has historically kept the immigrants at bay and the non-white immigrants on the sidelines. The second generation of Pakistani americans consider US to be their home, something I dont see in second generation of european pakistanis. Japan, China and Middle East also suffer from the same desease, although to a bit lesser degree than Australians and East Europeans - who are by far the most racist people (in general).
So lets give the credit where it is due - countering racism in our societies is one area where the US could serve as a role model for the entire world.
#31 Posted by Layman on February 13, 2006 8:09:10 pm
I am a bit of a pessimist. If you look back in history, all progress and development of some has come at the expense of others. The Industrial Revolution was funded by the colonies of India and the US. The Dutch, French, Portugueuse, Spanish and other European countries became developed nations by exploiting the colonies in Asia, Africa and Latin America. Even the Americans (or European immigrants to America) displaced the native population through what can only be termed as genocide, in order to get access to a resource rich land and become developed. If you look at the under-developed countries, the rich amongst them got that way only by exploiting the poor who had to suffer bonded labour and famines. Almost all great constructions - be it the Pyramids or the Taj Mahal came by exploiting slave labour - I very much doubt the kings of past would have been able to afford these magnificent constructions if they had to pay minimum wage and health benefits.
My point is that if India and other developing nations of today have to develop, who do they exploit? There are no remote colonies any longer, and it is increasingly becoming difficult to exploit your own, what with human rights and one-man-one-vote putting a crimp on things. There is not going to be an Utopia where the developing nations of today join the developed world. There will always be a small bunch of developed nations and a large mass of under-developed ones, though some countries may move from one group to another.
My point is that if India and other developing nations of today have to develop, who do they exploit? There are no remote colonies any longer, and it is increasingly becoming difficult to exploit your own, what with human rights and one-man-one-vote putting a crimp on things. There is not going to be an Utopia where the developing nations of today join the developed world. There will always be a small bunch of developed nations and a large mass of under-developed ones, though some countries may move from one group to another.
#30 Posted by bjkumar on February 13, 2006 8:07:51 pm
#29 Tahmed32
Tauheed saheb, whatever the shortcomings of the article, it is written in a polite tone and so there is at least SOME lesson there for all of us.
Deliberately insulting the author probably runs counter to SOME chowk guideline - or does it?
(PS: Can you fork over to me 1.0 from your interactor index so we can both be even at 2.0 each? I believe it would be only fair.)
#29 Posted by tahmed32 on February 13, 2006 7:51:46 pm
I find it ironic that an article titled ``Can Asians think`` and ending with talk of america`s ``intellectual hegemony`` has nothing in-between other than excerpts from some book.
I dont know about asians, but you - and pakistani babus like you - are obviously incapable of thinking for yourself, mr. athar osama. and when you try to do that - all that comes out is hot air about ``intellectual hegemony``.
I dont know about asians, but you - and pakistani babus like you - are obviously incapable of thinking for yourself, mr. athar osama. and when you try to do that - all that comes out is hot air about ``intellectual hegemony``.
#28 Posted by bjkumar on February 13, 2006 7:48:25 pm
#22 by chaltahai
[...And I have no qualms about the ``specialness`` of being an American being equated to exclusivity. The folks beating down the American embassy doors around the world are proof of that.]
I must politely disagree with you. The day Americans start thinking themselves as ``exclusive``, we take the first step on the road to perdition (luckily, in my view, we are not there yet). And if there are people who are beating down US embassy doors because of economic hardship where they are located - that is a cause for feeling sad that such hardships exist in this world - our world - it should not be force-formed into a celebration of ``exclusivity``.
Let me put this quote from the ``father`` of this country (George Washington) as some food for thought (for everyone):
``Let your heart feel for the afflictions and distress of everyone, and let your hand give in proportion to your purse.``
Also, perhaps we don`t need to discount this article so much - since it may have made up through generating the interacts what it may have lacked in its main body - and perhaps that`s why the editor(s) decided to put it up. Those scoundrels!
#27 Posted by Behram1 on February 13, 2006 7:05:24 pm
Re:#23:
nasah:
{after Bush anomaly is gone } as usual you are playing to the peanut gallery and do not understand America. It seems that you just want some cheap at-a-boys from your comrades by your anti-Bush comments.
Read my post #26, and understand completely before going on your stupid thoughts that somehow Democrats live in a different America. Well, they don`t. And if they want to win back the White House or the Congress again, they better start talking about America first. All these internationalist rubbish agendas are going to the dustbin.
Actually, Bill Clinton was an anomaly in the US.
Respectfully submitted,
#26 Posted by Behram1 on February 13, 2006 6:50:07 pm
More and more Americans want to be isolated and insulated from the rest of the world.
http://economist.com/world/na/displaystory.cfm?story_id=5499501
The public mood
The isolationist temptation
Feb 9th 2006 | WASHINGTON, DC
From The Economist print edition
A growing number of Americans would like fewer entanglements with foreigners
FOR many Americans, it`s a mad, mad, mad, mad world out there, and getting worse. During the Salman Rushdie affair 17 years ago, angry Muslims were content merely to call for the death of the allegedly blasphemous author and his publishers. This week, they were calling for the death not only of some allegedly blasphemous cartoonists but also their compatriots. And people from neighbouring countries. And Jews. And, inevitably, Americans.
What`s the point, some Americans grumble, of engaging with such people? We gave the Iraqis freedom, runs the argument, and they repaid us with roadside bombs. Palestinians got the vote and used it to elect terrorists. And dealing with the rest of the world is scarcely more rewarding: old Europe sneers at us, the Chinese steal our jobs and Mexicans are quietly re-conquering the south-western United States. Wouldn`t it be simpler to build a fence around our vast, rich, sane nation and let the rest of the world go hang?
It is a sign of the appeal of such sentiments that George Bush devoted much of his state-of-the-union speech to them.
“The road of isolationism and protectionism may seem broad and inviting—yet it ends in danger and decline...America rejects the false comfort of isolationism...Isolationism would not only tie our hands in fighting enemies, it would keep us from helping our friends in desperate need...American leaders—from Roosevelt to Truman to Kennedy to Reagan—rejected isolation and retreat, because they knew that America is always more secure when freedom is on the march.”
Mr Bush oversimplified, using one word—isolationist—for several disparate opponents. But he is right to worry. Partly in reaction to the president`s hyperactive foreign entanglements, various forms of isolationist sentiment are indeed on the rise. A Pew poll in October found 42% of Americans agreeing that the United States “should mind its own business internationally and let other countries get along the best they can on their own.” That figure had jumped by 12 points in three years to its highest level since the mid-1970s (after the humiliation of Vietnam).
Although Mr Bush was hardly fair when he described all advocates of a less muscular foreign policy as “isolationist”, he has correctly identified one of the strongest currents against which he must swim. Many Americans wish to disengage from the world in one or more of four ways: by fighting fewer wars, by trading less freely, by allowing fewer foreigners into their country or by giving less foreign aid.
The purest isolationists, ironically, are to be found in the president`s own party. Since Mr Bush came to office promising a “humble” foreign policy, they feel betrayed that he has practised the opposite. “Why would a president use his state of the union to lash out at a school of foreign policy thought that has had zero influence in his administration?” fumes Pat Buchanan, a former presidential aspirant and voice of the GOP`s nativist wing. The answer: “His foreign policy is visibly failing, and his critics have been proven right.”
Iraq never attacked America, argues Mr Buchanan, so America did not have to attack it. As for the idea that America`s security depends on ending foreign tyranny, that is “noble-sounding nonsense”, writes Mr Buchanan. “Our security rests on US power and will, and not on whether Zimbabwe, Sudan, Syria, Cuba or even China is ruled by tyrants. Our forefathers lived secure in a world of tyrannies by staying out of wars that were none of America`s business.” Mr Buchanan thinks foreign aid is “the looting of America for the construction of the New World Order”. He is proudly protectionist and he fears that Hispanic immigration threatens not only America`s survival as one nation but also Republican dominance of American politics, since Latinos usually vote Democrat.
Mr Buchanan has been singing this song for some time: it was part of his pitchfork rebellion against Mr Bush`s father in the Republican primaries in 1992. But in damning the Iraq war and the use of force to spread democracy, Mr Buchanan is part of a much broader (and potentially more potent) movement.
On the right, there are two main groups: small-government conservatives and foreign-policy realists. The former point to the huge cost to the taxpayer of the Iraq war and the Pentagon (see article). The latter, typified by Brent Scowcroft, the first President Bush`s national-security adviser, think that the old policy of propping up Arab strongmen brought “50 years of peace” to the Middle East.
For different reasons, almost everyone on the left opposes the war. The people who have enough spare time to go on marches and listen to Cindy Sheehan tend to think “BusHitler” invaded Iraq to enrich Halliburton. A larger, quieter group thinks the administration launched an avoidable war and botched it. Overall, the proportion of Americans who think the Iraq war worth fighting has fallen from 70% in April 2003 to about 45% now.
They take our jobs
Opposition to Mr Bush`s trade policies comes mostly from the Democrats. The Central American Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA) squeaked through the House last year by 217 votes to 215. Only 15 Democrats backed it—and unions promptly vowed to punish the “CAFTA 15”.
Democratic presidents are usually more supportive of free trade than their party, perhaps because a president represents the whole nation, not just a district with a steel mill that might close because of imports. Hillary Clinton, the Democratic frontrunner for 2008, is a free trader. But it is not impossible that the party`s increasingly angry base could nominate a protectionist in 2008. The party`s vice-presidential candidate in 2004, Senator John Edwards, voted against cheap textile imports and then made stump speeches about a 10-year-old American girl who, he said, couldn`t afford a winter coat. According to Gallup, the proportion of Americans who see foreign trade more as an opportunity for growth than as a threat to the domestic economy fell from 56% in 2000 to 45% last year.
While many Democrats want to curb the inflow of foreign goods, many Republicans want to curb that of foreigners. Mr Bush says the American economy “could not function without” immigrants. Tom Tancredo, a Republican congressman from Colorado, disagrees. He argues that the costs of immigration outweigh the benefits: immigrants` children must be schooled at taxpayers` expense, and their willingness to work for a pittance drags down the wages of unskilled Americans.
He thinks that America`s borders could be secured “relatively easily” and at “minimal cost” by building hundreds of miles of fences and deploying troops to patrol them (which would be good training, he says), and by punishing firms that employ illegals. He thinks the House would back 50-60% of his agenda—a tough anti-immigration bill passed late last year and is now in the Senate—and he hopes to make immigration an issue in the November mid-term elections.
It will be. Many non-Hispanic Americans see illegal immigration as not merely an economic threat, but also a cultural one. In a recent poll, only 8% of respondents thought the problem “not very serious”, while 63% thought it “very” or “extremely” serious. The final “isolationist” issue, foreign aid, is not yet electorally significant, though polls show Americans tend to think their country is too generous.
One reason to ignore the growth in isolationism in the short term is Mr Bush. He has made it clear he has no plans to change course. Iraq will be his legacy, so he has to see it through as best he can. He has compromised on free trade before, and may do so again, but few doubt where his preferences lie. On immigration, he seems sincerely liberal and convinced that Republicans can woo the swelling Hispanic vote. And on foreign aid, who`ll notice a few odd billions in a budget of $2.77 trillion?
Optimists point out that America has always had a vocal isolationist minority. And surely globalisation—more travel, ever deeper economic integration, common threats (such as global warming and terrorism)—mean that America cannot go it alone. Francis Fukuyama, a famously optimistic professor at Johns Hopkins University, even thinks the Muhammad cartoon row could pull America and Europe closer together, as Europeans realise they have more in common even with Texans than with Islamists.
So the most likely outcome is surely that the current isolationist surge will fade away. But consider two things. First, greater integration and the war on terror have hardly brought the two sides of the Atlantic together. Meanwhile, despite his proud words in the state of the union, isolationism, broadly defined, has already tempered Mr Bush`s policy. The public`s exhaustion with Iraq makes it harder for the president to tackle Iran. He will also have to retreat on immigration if he is going to get something through.
A lot depends on leadership. For the moment none of the leading candidates for the presidency in 2008 is an isolationist and the favourite in some polls, John McCain, is even more of an interventionist than Mr Bush. But with so many voters angry about the mad world beyond their borders, America might yet end up with both a more protectionist Congress and a president who is more reluctant to throw America`s weight around.
#25 Posted by arjun_m on February 13, 2006 5:36:51 pm
Caution over German jobless rise
German unemployment has unexpectedly risen above the five million mark again but experts have said the latest figures must be treated with caution.
The headline jobless rate rose 408,000 to 5.012 million in January, according to official figures, equivalent to 12.1% of the working age population.
However, analysts said the data was skewed by the unusually cold winter and forthcoming changes to benefit rules.
Government officials said the long-term unemployment trend was falling.
Seasonal lay-offs
In other troubling news for the German economy, data also released on Tuesday showed a 1.4% fall in retail sales in December.
The figures reinforced recent concerns that Germany`s fledgling economic recovery could be held back by weak domestic demand.
Separately, France reported a drop in unemployment in December from 9.6% to 9.5% and a rise in consumer confidence last month.
German unemployment has unexpectedly risen above the five million mark again but experts have said the latest figures must be treated with caution.
The headline jobless rate rose 408,000 to 5.012 million in January, according to official figures, equivalent to 12.1% of the working age population.
However, analysts said the data was skewed by the unusually cold winter and forthcoming changes to benefit rules.
Government officials said the long-term unemployment trend was falling.
Seasonal lay-offs
In other troubling news for the German economy, data also released on Tuesday showed a 1.4% fall in retail sales in December.
The figures reinforced recent concerns that Germany`s fledgling economic recovery could be held back by weak domestic demand.
Separately, France reported a drop in unemployment in December from 9.6% to 9.5% and a rise in consumer confidence last month.
#24 Posted by chaltahai on February 13, 2006 5:36:03 pm
Nasah, in a world of limited resources and ever increasing consumers, this has been a battle humanity has tried through for eons..this is not some novel concept you are railing against. Even under the Mughals, the Indians controlled a 1/4 of world trade. That didn;t mean Indians were rich..it meant the Mughals were. Fancies of Taj Mahal didn`t have to be vetted through public discourse on appropriations of funds. Bush or no Bush.... All this doomsday bullsiht I hear about the demise of America is more wishful thinking and sour grapes than reality. I agree with you on all else.
#23 Posted by nasah on February 13, 2006 5:20:54 pm
the problem with OUR pursuit of happiness -- RIGHT NOW -- is that it is somebody else`s NIGHTMARE....for no fault of theirs......
after Bush anomaly is gone -- things will return to Jeffersonian norms...don`t worry....this is not a frozen land .....it is one of most sagacious self-correcting self-renovating self-regenerating mercurial countries in the world.....that spirit is not going to die......
the rumors of the death or demise of American dream in Mark Twain`s words -- are highly exaggerated...
after Bush anomaly is gone -- things will return to Jeffersonian norms...don`t worry....this is not a frozen land .....it is one of most sagacious self-correcting self-renovating self-regenerating mercurial countries in the world.....that spirit is not going to die......
the rumors of the death or demise of American dream in Mark Twain`s words -- are highly exaggerated...
#22 Posted by chaltahai on February 13, 2006 4:25:55 pm
BJ, we are saying the same thing. It is amazing to me that the principles set forth in the declaration of independence still ring true today..the evolution of the concept of ``pursuit of happiness`` is what I am reflecting on. For Jefferson and Madison, it might have very well meant landed gentry, but for me it means a level playing field where I can achieve happiness through whatever means get me there. And I have no qualms about the ``specialness`` of being an American being equated to exclusivity. The folks beating down the American embassy doors around the world are proof of that.
Sometimes I think, if the esteemed writer of this trite garbage disguised as an article, actually worked for a living, spoke to the first and second generation immigrants from S Asia, Latin America, Heck go farther back..jews and Italians..he/she might understand what the ``American Dream`` truly means. Maybe a refresher on Horatio ALger to set the mood before diving into some real HARD CORE journalism..speaking to those ``home-work-supermarket-to back home again`` unenlightened folks who just might be realizing their American dream.
Friggin hacks!!!
Sometimes I think, if the esteemed writer of this trite garbage disguised as an article, actually worked for a living, spoke to the first and second generation immigrants from S Asia, Latin America, Heck go farther back..jews and Italians..he/she might understand what the ``American Dream`` truly means. Maybe a refresher on Horatio ALger to set the mood before diving into some real HARD CORE journalism..speaking to those ``home-work-supermarket-to back home again`` unenlightened folks who just might be realizing their American dream.
Friggin hacks!!!
#21 Posted by nasah on February 13, 2006 4:04:40 pm
dear Osama -- the American dream is NOT dead -- by any means...
it is alive, well, kicking and invading -- happily beating, torturing, bombing, maiming, killing men women, children -- destroying their properties -- for building our dream -- all over the impoverished third world -- people who can hardly defend themselves -- either at the dead of the night or in broad day light....
.....all in pursuit of happiness...
The American Dream....it will never die......the Dream may go in Chapter Eleven -- but we can always reorganize -- by cutting our cost and cutting personnel -- so far we have cut almost three thousand personnel permanently giving them pink slips for life -- and another 17 thousand out of commission....
.....if push comes to shove we can always borrow from our friends the democratic Chinese (and let them steal our high tech).......and the progressive Saudis (who thanks to our president`s push for women`s rights will allow the women to drive) ...
....and then we`ll continue invading -- in pursuit of happiness...
it is alive, well, kicking and invading -- happily beating, torturing, bombing, maiming, killing men women, children -- destroying their properties -- for building our dream -- all over the impoverished third world -- people who can hardly defend themselves -- either at the dead of the night or in broad day light....
.....all in pursuit of happiness...
The American Dream....it will never die......the Dream may go in Chapter Eleven -- but we can always reorganize -- by cutting our cost and cutting personnel -- so far we have cut almost three thousand personnel permanently giving them pink slips for life -- and another 17 thousand out of commission....
.....if push comes to shove we can always borrow from our friends the democratic Chinese (and let them steal our high tech).......and the progressive Saudis (who thanks to our president`s push for women`s rights will allow the women to drive) ...
....and then we`ll continue invading -- in pursuit of happiness...
#20 Posted by bjkumar on February 13, 2006 2:18:05 pm
#19 Chaltahai
I think you make good observations related to economics. But I must comment on your last paragraph.
It is a myth to talk about the Declaration of Independence and claim clauses therein as the basis for feeling “special” – in fact I object to the very term “special” – that term usually implies a certain degree of exclusivity and I know that most people here do not (and certainly this interactor does not) feel there is any exclusivity to being (or becoming) American – in many ways, it is merely what I feel is a stage of evolution (for the lack of a better way to describe it, from my perspective).
In my humble opinion, it is typical desi mentality that writing something in a book (or even a Book) or putting in a dictat or codifying something on paper makes it HAPPEN! It never does until those for who it is believe in it from heart BEFORE they put it in and continue to believe in it afterwards with enough stength of conviction to carry them through those trying times which would make it VERY difficult to continue to believe in it.
May I also remind you that the passages that you refer to in the Declaration of Independence were written BEFORE there was an America (as we know it).
May I also remind you that people who put in those passages had a very different vision from what we carry today in our own mind! Think back of the phrase “all men are created equal” and reconcile that with the drudgery that the slaves went through in those same times! And even otherwise, if you believe that this country has not in the past indulged in “protectionist” policies (and perhaps in some areas still does) I would beg to differ (even though it is not my area of expertise).
In my view, it’s simply the openness of the thought-process that counts – the thought that evolves –otherwise it’s merely dead thought – and it would be as dead as the parchment on which it gets captured – and those who are stuck on dead thoughts and are captives of dead parchment are the ultimate of the captives!
One can only be as American as one feels in his or her heart!
#19 Posted by chaltahai on February 13, 2006 1:23:40 pm
Firstly, the anticipated American decline. Let`s assume globalization is here to stay (which it is). How do you figure the decline of a ccountry, vis-a-vis Eu which outspends the latter ion R&D, outperforms the latter on productivity, outshines the latter on capital markets vestment for it`s citizens. This is one aspect. If the EU and the US are to go their separate ways, i.e. become competitive/combative, the social safety net in Europe, that US has subsidized by providing a protective umbrella to the EU as far as defense goes,...will fall flat if defense spending in the Eu was to match the US. The very paradigm of Europian compassionate capitalism i.e. socialistic leanings will be testing gravely.
kulharee mentioned the unemployment, social issues re: identity, assimilation etc..are all indications of a failed multiculturalist policy coming to bite Europe in their proverbial ass.
On to Asia and the US. It is silly to lump in Pakistan,Malaysia with INdia and China. The globalization train is an express train that makes limited stops...malaysia and Pakistan can benefit as stations but not regional hubs or catalysts of growth or the fuel for this train. Countries like INdia and CHina are not bound by the same limitations as Pakistan and Malaysia. CHinese have a deplorable capital markets system and India poor infrastructure. (both of which are opportunities that provide jobs, raise income levels for the citizenry and funds for the gov`t) What INdia and CHina are trying to do, has to be taking into account by viewing them in their own paradigm, not in comparison to the US. The momentum driven growth within these two countries took almost 50% less time to the reach the same level of wealth creation for the citizenry as it did in the US. Economies that are this large are the bell weather for global health. When US sneezes, the whole world catches a cold, when INdia will sneeze in 2 decades, EU will get pneumonia.
I will agree with one thing, the concept of why us Americans feel special. It is written in our declaration of independence. No other country in the world offers an individual the ``pursuit of happiness``..it is an intangible and totally subjective concept..yet no other document in the history of mankind lays out the individuals right to happiness. This is the American dream. This country will emain the most special because America places an emphasis on the individual. Indian and China can produce as many scientists as they want...but only this country offiers the ability for a talented individual to achieve what he feels will make him happy by gauranteeing happiness. That can be in form of patent rights protection, if you are an inventor, capital if you are an entrepreneur, forum to speak your mind no matter how crude your dissertation is..and lastly..no restraints on yourself to assume risk personal or financial to achieve your happiness.
kulharee mentioned the unemployment, social issues re: identity, assimilation etc..are all indications of a failed multiculturalist policy coming to bite Europe in their proverbial ass.
On to Asia and the US. It is silly to lump in Pakistan,Malaysia with INdia and China. The globalization train is an express train that makes limited stops...malaysia and Pakistan can benefit as stations but not regional hubs or catalysts of growth or the fuel for this train. Countries like INdia and CHina are not bound by the same limitations as Pakistan and Malaysia. CHinese have a deplorable capital markets system and India poor infrastructure. (both of which are opportunities that provide jobs, raise income levels for the citizenry and funds for the gov`t) What INdia and CHina are trying to do, has to be taking into account by viewing them in their own paradigm, not in comparison to the US. The momentum driven growth within these two countries took almost 50% less time to the reach the same level of wealth creation for the citizenry as it did in the US. Economies that are this large are the bell weather for global health. When US sneezes, the whole world catches a cold, when INdia will sneeze in 2 decades, EU will get pneumonia.
I will agree with one thing, the concept of why us Americans feel special. It is written in our declaration of independence. No other country in the world offers an individual the ``pursuit of happiness``..it is an intangible and totally subjective concept..yet no other document in the history of mankind lays out the individuals right to happiness. This is the American dream. This country will emain the most special because America places an emphasis on the individual. Indian and China can produce as many scientists as they want...but only this country offiers the ability for a talented individual to achieve what he feels will make him happy by gauranteeing happiness. That can be in form of patent rights protection, if you are an inventor, capital if you are an entrepreneur, forum to speak your mind no matter how crude your dissertation is..and lastly..no restraints on yourself to assume risk personal or financial to achieve your happiness.
#18 Posted by mohar11 on February 13, 2006 10:31:24 am
Re: # 14 james
All I have is second-hand information - I have never lived in europe - I just transit thru the airports....:)
But - there have been revealing reports in wake of riots in france..... in some european countries - they don`t allow citizenships to childrens of the immigrants - i think it was germany..... so all in all - it looks pretty bad....
All I have is second-hand information - I have never lived in europe - I just transit thru the airports....:)
But - there have been revealing reports in wake of riots in france..... in some european countries - they don`t allow citizenships to childrens of the immigrants - i think it was germany..... so all in all - it looks pretty bad....
#17 Posted by Kulharee on February 13, 2006 10:11:49 am
James. Race relations in Europe are less than appalling. The unemployment among North African youth (2nd and 3rd generation migrants) is 7 times the national average in France. In Germany, the Turks, who have lived since the early 60s, still have little to none presence in Politics (and a minute in academia, arts, or culture). It is the case pretty much all over Europe. For the most part, migrants there work only in secondary labor market. In the Netherlands, where Muslims makeup 5.5 % of the country’s population, over 60% battered women in halfway houses are “Muslim” migrants. Yes, they have been abused by their brothers/fathers for “dishonoring” the family by dating a “white” guy (that tells you how integrated they are there). Immigrants (Muslims in particular) are living on the fringes of the society in Europe. They are disfranchised and are not part of the mainstream Europe. Being disenfranchised is worse than experiencing racism or bigotry, because one cannot fight it from the outside.
I am sure you must have heard what happened in France not long ago (I am assuming that you get the Fox news in Europe).
And yeah, Germany’s unemployment rate in January 06 is 12.1%. It has gotten a tad bit better in the last quarter of 05. Germans are slowly waking up from their social dream (call it their American Dream) and have raised their retirement age to 68.
I am sure you must have heard what happened in France not long ago (I am assuming that you get the Fox news in Europe).
And yeah, Germany’s unemployment rate in January 06 is 12.1%. It has gotten a tad bit better in the last quarter of 05. Germans are slowly waking up from their social dream (call it their American Dream) and have raised their retirement age to 68.
#16 Posted by hamidm2 on February 13, 2006 9:55:12 am
Re: # 13
mohar main,
...... i hate to say this but it is true - people will say strange things after a few drinks ....... and even though this type of overt racism is rare, you can sense it in many other ways specially when they speak in english and use terms like ``these people`` for the turks or you see the almost total absence of turks and north africans in the
mohar main,
...... i hate to say this but it is true - people will say strange things after a few drinks ....... and even though this type of overt racism is rare, you can sense it in many other ways specially when they speak in english and use terms like ``these people`` for the turks or you see the almost total absence of turks and north africans in the








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