Heidi Fleiss and Shahrukh Khan – Spot the Difference!

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By opening up a male brothel, Heidi stood up against male discrimination in sex workers profession. Now, male sex workers can equally enjoy their careers with as much dedication as their female counterparts do!!!!

Hahahaaaaaaa

#14 by bjkumar

Beej,

I am aware of your impotent rage on many issues and I know how quickly you lose the handle. However, I will try and reason with you disregarding the fact that reason never stops in your village and passes by you quickly.

I am not generalizing anything. I have used words like plenty not “all”, I have used “whole bunch” not “everyone”, and I have used “not uncommon” and not “Common”. I am not generalizing. Since you are stuck in your head about preserving the ``sanctity`` of the Indian village, you make assumptions that are ridiculous.

I am merely pointing out that these things exist. I am not saying that every woman in an Indian village has sex outside of marriage but many do. Since when poverty stopped people from having sex? No, it is not on a catastrophic level but it is there. Loot nahin machi hoi phir bhi kaafi drama hai there.

You need to read my post with the article in mind. I am making a point that things do happen in the rural areas and Shahrukh khan did have a point. There is no mystery in that. It is clearly some thing that a society needs to accept instead of covering it up.

Women have desires and needs as much as men do. In the Indian society, they have been treated so badly for centuries that they have developed a defensive mechanism. (Indian society =Pak-India both). That mechanism allows them to deflect confrontation. When a woman ends up on the wrong side of the society she pays a heavy price for sharing the emotions with a man in private.

You and Farzana are arguing the same thing. She thinks women should be treated like a sati savatri. Her camouflage is women’s lib and yours is the “pious village”. Women should be treated like the way you treat yourself. Nothing more or nothing less.


“there always exists a certain level of extra-marital hanky-panky. Your implicit assumption that it is any higher in remote Indian villages compared to the suburbia Americana is so ludicrous that it’s not even worth commenting.”

And where did I imply that? implicit? ridiculeous!

Now understand this: what is hanky–panky in your perverted little head in an Indian village is a perfectly normal behavior in suburbia or exurbia the US.

There is nothing hanky-panky in a woman having sex, whether she lives in an Indian village or in Peoria, IL. Marriage or not, It is her choice.

There is no crime in having sex outside of marriage; there is no crime in woman having sex with a man on her free will. She has every right to pursue a man if she feels like it. All these things are not your decision but a woman’s choice. A woman having sex outside of marriage should never be the society’s problem. It should only be the husband’s problem. I guess this is a hard concept for you to follow.

“Your wholesale generalization of the American womanhood”

I would only say that you don’t know…live outside of your daal roti life and you will find out how things work. You will rarely find a woman(barring south asian) in this country, who will hesitate to make the first move…Now obviously that is something you don’t know as no one would approach you. Your dilemma is pronounced.….

“Men and women NEVER pay the same price for pleasure – in ANY part of the world. Nature saw to that – anatomically.”

As usual you are being ridiculous. Learn about anatomy too. The source is the same; just inverted.

But the issue of price was in terms of sexual gratification and I have yet to see a woman paying less for the same services. Not in the good ole USofA.

Btw, those who hold the “bag” pay the price for the mistake not pleasure….

Calling pregnancy a ``bag`` is the grossest thing I have heard in a long time.

what, Farzana, I thought you had a scoop, Shahrukh khan in heidi,s stud farm and a pic where we get to spot the difference bet shahrukh and one of her studs.
In Paheli the ghost is also shown to take care of the woman`s emotional needs also and not just lusting after her.

I am waiting to see when does this degenirate into Pak vs Indian, Kashmir, RSS etc

In the meantime I really enjoyed this take on Heidi (and yes, you did sucker us in to read it) and Salim, do you post articles on chowk. You should your gift for the gab is fantastic (and stay away f rom that creep)

#17 HP

First HP, I am going to disregard all the inflammatory words which you drop like droppings everywhere you care to park your interact. (Call it a new year’s resolution, if you will.) Such words reveal a lot more of you and reflect very little on me or the topic.

(And you should go back and read some your own posts to appreciate how full of generalizations they are – and when somebody points them out to you, you fall back into the Bill Clinton mode of having used “not uncommon” and not “common” – talk about abusing words! Well, it does not wash – it’s too much weasel-like – and everyone can see through them!)

It is a downright criminal act, or ought to be, to take my words “drudgery and toil” and then state with a straight face that Indian village life is being depicted as “pious village” life. How dishonest can one get!

Also, kindly refrain from lecturing me about suburbia America – I happen to know a thing or two about it from close range – and I have no special regard for the depth of some of your pronouncements on the same. And it never ceases to amuse me to see individuals so enamored with the superficial shell of isolated instances to glibly draw sweeping generalizations regarding the whole country – such people can NEVER appreciate the strong moral core running through this country, which allows this country to survive and thrive in spite of the aberrations which such individuals think are the norms.

(I have already clearly stated what I think of Mr. Shah Rukh Khan and there is no need to repeat those thoughts again.)

There is one part of your statements that must be immediately staked (as one would stake a vampire). Anybody who thinks that women treat sex with the same casualness as men is the one who is fully unaware of the facts of life. Men and women ARE different and my reference to anatomy should not be hostage to YOUR limited imagination which appears to confine itself to sexual organs. There are significant hormonal differences, there are different ways of looking at things, and there IS a difference in how things get perceived – by the two sexes. By and large, women attach more significance to little gestures and are more sentimental and can only be intimate at a deeper level – never like men – men can be more casual about it – after all, they are the original inventors of the term “one night stand”.

The same applies to the reference to baggage – it was not a reference to the birth of babies, which is truly a miracle of nature – it referred to the emotional baggage that women are saddled with in a broken relationship while men carry on as “no big deal”. Again, dear HP, your responses reveal a lot more about yourself than my original terms.

You see HP, it is a lot easier for men to simply “pull out”!

Re:HP#17

[...You will rarely find a woman(barring south asian) in this country, who will hesitate to make the first move…Now obviously that is something you don’t know as no one would approach you. Your dilemma is pronounced.…. ]

HPji, How are you so sure that no one approaches us desi guys? Its all a funciton of the almighty dollar. Pure economics (except for college, where it is hormones)!!

Just show the moolah, and any american girl, chinese girl, desi girl or whatever, will come to you. Especially american girls who are crazy about money. And you know us desis have boatloads of the almighty dollar these days. You drive a BMW and work as a VP in a company, you can pretty much do anything, as long as you are in reasonable physical shape.

#20 by bjkumar
Beej! Beej!!

Here you go again like the 700 Gandhi pictures….

“such people can NEVER appreciate the strong moral core running through this country, which allows this country to survive and thrive in spite of the aberrations which such individuals think are the norms.”

God! you do sound like a right wing Jesus freak. Thing that passes by you time and time again is very simple. Having sex is not immoral. There is nothing immoral about it.

So woman having sex negates the moral core running through this country. You are just totally out of it… so full of it...Get a handle man!



#21 ranjit,

Ranjit,

“How are you so sure that no one approaches us desi guys?”

Maybe a couple but Beej is not one of them :)

“Especially american girls who are crazy about money. And you know us desis have boatloads of the almighty dollar these days. You drive a BMW and work as a VP in a company, you can pretty much do anything, as long as you are in reasonable physical shape.”

Mostly true but money is of no use to desis…BMW is of no help. they just don’t get picked…sorry! Bad rep…size matters! :)

Re:HP#22

[...Mostly true but money is of no use to desis…BMW is of no help. they just don’t get picked…sorry! Bad rep…size matters! :) ...]

Ha ha!! You may have a point there.

I had a sikh friend who was a topper at IIT Delhi. The guy had made it pretty big in Silicon Valley at a young age. One night he was parked outside a nightclub in his BMW. One of those, total ``randi`` type goris walked out and came near his car and looked in. Then she said,``Oh, its just an Indian!!`` and walked away :-). My friend was so pissed for months after that!!

Anyway, he got is revenge. He did manage to bag a gori eventually. Got married to her and settled down happily.

#22 Dear HP

I am fully aware of your attempts to provoke me – but that trick is too old and it’s not going to work! Your devious designs are doomed. So, let me patiently explain again.

Of course, having sex is not immoral – but the vast majority in this country does not approve of CASUAL sex – and the number of women who take sex casually is even smaller. A lot of that thinking is grounded in a strong moral foundation – it runs throughout this country – and makes it strong, in my view.

But the dipsomaniac in you won’t understand it, anyway!

Returning to this issue of differences between men and women, let me quote the following excerpts from an article by Mary V. Seeman, MD, from the book “Women`s Health: Hormones, Emotions, and Behavior” edited by Regina C. Casper – the book is intended for clinicians and trainees in psychiatry, internal medicine, and primary care.

“Although the physiology and psychology of women and men are almost identical, the small differences, attributable mainly to sex hormones, influence mood and behavior and lead to differential responses on the part of others. Most cultures, throughout history, have institutionalized these differences and encouraged the evolution of two separately elaborated social roles, one for women and one for men. This has resulted in many inequities, notably unequal opportunities in the workplace, which have had further effects on the consequences of sex on the individual. At this stage of cultural evolution, it is almost impossible to disentangle the role of hormonal difference from the many layers of social attributions that have magnified and complicated this difference. From a health viewpoint, however, it is important, when it comes to sex, to try to sweep away the elaborate and enticing cobwebs of role expectations and biased perceptions and carefully to examine what makes men and women hormonally different and how this difference influences emotion, behavior, prevention of illness, psychiatric morbidity, optimal treatment strategies, and, ultimately, outcome of illness….”

#24 Beej,


``but the vast majority in this country does not approve of CASUAL sex – and the number of women who take sex casually is even smaller. ``

Are you posting from India?

I am not sure we are talking about the same country....Even mormans are having fun nowdays. Where are you stuck? Even S.Carolina is doing well!

Ranjit,
There are some good jokes about small out there...some other time....

beej, chill pill is the need of the hour!

Farzana has writen a gem of a peice..she is turning out to be the master stroke of the chowk-staff

she has single handedly turned this place around and saved us all from the clutches of boring old english language teachers who wannabe intellectuals