Mohammad Who?

#262 by Urstruly on February 14, 2006 6:45am PT


“Could these protests by our first steps towards winning our freedom, finally; Freedom from Western aggression, an oppressive and corrupt ruling class, and proxy puppet dctatorial and fascist regimes????”


Yeah Einstein! Chill....

#262 by Urstruly on February 14, 2006 6:45am PT

Nope..it`s just another display of impotent rage that won`t amount to anything..

You`ll still have foreign powers bombing your citizens on your own soil while your armed forces stand and watch helplessly..

Could the response to these protests be our first steps towards winning our freedom, finally; Freedom from mullah aggression, an oppressive and corrupt clerical class, and proxy saudi puppets at the pulpit and fascist Jamaat-e-Islami- the true enemies of Pakistan and Islam????

I wonder.

The propaganda by the Christian churches in regard to their role during WWII in Fascist Italy, Yugoslavia, and Nazi Germany has so conditioned their believers that most of them believe that Christianity played an honorable role at best, and only a silent role at worst. Yet there seems little recognition that the very framework of the beliefs owned by the Fascists and Nazis came from their Christian upbringing from church, school, and Christian traditions. The entire anti-Jewish and racial sentiments came not from some new philosophy or unique ideology, but rather from centuries of Christian preaching against the Jews, gypsies, and heretics. This comes especially true for European countries, for the Christian practice of crusades, inquisitions and holy wars occurred in their own backyards. Moreover, the wars conducted by Providence, approved by God, appears so often in the Bible, and practiced by Christians throughout the centuries has disciplined Christians to believe that they could engage in offensive war honorably and even worse-- morally. One must remember that the Catholic raised and Protestant conditioned Hitler took his cause of war for an expanded Germany and his fight against the Jews, for Providence`s sake, and a fight for the Lord. He appealed to his fellow German Christians to put him in power and he achieved popular support. I find it unimaginable that Hitler, without this religious foundation, could have churches, politicians and citizens electing him into office, much less have acted against the Jews.

Could these protests by our first steps towards winning our freedom, finally; Freedom from Western aggression, an oppressive and corrupt ruling class, and proxy puppet dctatorial and fascist regimes????

Rioting for fun and prophet..

Protesters Storm Diplomatic Enclave


Tuesday February 14, 2006 1:46 PM

AP Photo ISL104

By ASIF SHAHZAD

Associated Press Writer

LAHORE, Pakistan (AP) - Thousands of protesters rampaged through two cities Tuesday, storming into a diplomatic district and torching Western businesses and a provincial assembly in Pakistan`s worst violence against the Prophet Muhammad drawings, officials said. At least two people were killed and 11 injured.

Security forces fired into the air as they struggled to contain the unrest in the eastern city of Lahore, where protesters burned down four buildings housing a hotel, two banks, a KFC restaurant and the office of a Norwegian cell phone company, Telenor.

U.S. and British embassy staffers were confined to their compounds until police dispersed the protesters, some of whom chanted, ``Death to America!``

Witnesses said rioters also damaged more than 200 cars, dozens of shops and a large portrait of President Gen. Pervez Musharraf. Vandals broke the windows of a Holiday Inn, Pizza Hut and McDonald`s.

Two movie theaters were torched, and clouds of tear gas and black smoke from burning vehicles drifted through streets in the city center.

A security guard shot and killed two protesters trying to force their way into a bank, Interior Minister Aftab Khan Sherpao said, adding that paramilitary forces were deployed to restore order.

Mohammed Tariq, a doctor at the state-run Mayo Hospital, said three people were being treated for serious bullet wounds, and eight more suffered injuries during clashes with police.

The protest was organized by a little-known religious group supported by local trade associations and one of the main Islamic schools in the city. Intelligence officials, however, suspected that members of outlawed Islamic radical groups may have incited the violence.

Raja Mohammed Basharat, law minister for Punjab province, of which Lahore is the capital, said the organizers promised Monday that the demonstration would be peaceful. No one has been arrested for the violence, but those responsible would be punished, he said.

The unrest began Tuesday in the nation`s capital, Islamabad, about 180 miles northwest of Lahore, when between 1,000 and 1,500 people, mostly students, marched into a fenced-off diplomatic enclave through the main gate, as about a dozen police looked on.

The stick-wielding crowd charged about a half-mile down the road to the British High Commission, or embassy, where the students rallied briefly until police fired tear gas.

Outside the enclave, protesters smashed street lights and burned tires while chanting ``Death to America!`` and other slogans. Police rounded up about 50 protesters and put them in pickup trucks.

Another protest in Islamabad drew about 4,000 people. Separately, about 50 lawmakers from religious and moderate parties marched from Parliament to the diplomatic enclave, where they stood silently for five minutes before dispersing.

Hard-line cleric Hafiz Hussain Ahmad, senior leader of an opposition coalition of six religious parties, said, ``We have come to the doors of the embassies to take our voice to the ambassadors. There is anger in the Islamic world. If they do not listen, their problems will increase.``

People in this conservative Muslim nation have been enraged by the publications of the drawings, which first appeared in a Danish newspaper in September. Papers in other countries, mostly Europe but including some in the United States, reprinted them.

One of the caricatures depicts Muhammad wearing a turban shaped as a bomb with an ignited detonator string.

Islam widely holds that representations of Muhammad are banned for fear they could lead to idolatry.

There have been a series of mostly peaceful protests across Pakistan against the cartoons, and last week Parliament adopted resolutions condemning the drawing. Lawmakers also called for a nationwide strike on March 3.

But Aitzaz Ahsan, a lawmaker with the opposition Pakistan Peoples Party, said he will propose that the government call off the March 3 protest strike because of the prospect of further violence.

``It`s really gotten out of hand,`` Ahsan said. ``The violence is spiraling out of control.``

#259 by Mantolives on February 14, 2006 5:40am PT



Blaze at Punjab Assembly building amid cartoons protest

(Updated at 1610 PST)
LAHORE: Protest intensified against publication of sacrilegious cartoons in Lahore as demonstrators hurled a cracker landed in Punjab Assembly building, causing eruption of fire in a part of the premises.

Lahore on Tuesday observing complete shutter down to protest against sacrilegious cartoons published in European media.

Over 400 markets and business centers observing total strike called by business community. Trade representatives said that the entire business community taking part in the strike regardless of their differences. People belonged to Muslim League (Q), Muslim League (N), Peoples Party and Jaamat-i-Islami and other political parties join hands in the strike to convey the world that no comprise being possible on Thafuz Namoos-i-Risaalat.

They had crackers at a protest? And a cracker set the building on fire?

In Lahore the mobs attacked the Punjab legislature and set it on fire. It is plain ridiculous.

Two dead in Pakistan rioting
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LAHORE, Pakistan (AP) -- More than 1,000 protesters stormed into Islamabad`s diplomatic district while thousands vandalized Western businesses and torched a government building in another city Tuesday, in Pakistan`s worst wave of violence against the Prophet Mohammed cartoons, officials said.

At least two people were killed.



Whether Islam is ``Quran only`` or ``Quran + hadiths``, it looks like these people need to be educated.. Why should Pakistanis torch Pakistani buildings/businesses (I believe owned by Pakistanis) for a cartoon drawn in a distant land?..

Anyhow, ``Quran only`` Islam is a good improvement.. After a few years, it should become ``Quran - few verses`` etc..etc.. That`s the right evolution for islam to be in the market..

:-))

Harish hyd,

``you weren`t``

Its ironic that the time of my post here is right after my post there and hours before any of your posts there and here. But then again logic was never your cup of tea.

Re: # 243 Raw Dust & # 245 zeemax

This article came up in an earler discussion on Cowk.com and the interact discussion that followed was perhaps one of the most mature and thoughtful discussions on the subject til that time and perhaps even to date.

I urge you to look it up

...SR

#253 states <<< the same set of politics went into the compilation and standardization of the TEXTUAL FORM of the revelations >>>

Not at all. The Bible is very different to the Quran, and it consists of books by different authors that were canonized by Church counsel out of a morass of books, and are not associated with any single era or any single person. All kinds of traditions and nonsense entered the books of the Bible, you can view that when you read only the gospels and textual scholars say that other ancient authorities add, delete or insert other things. This is not the case with the Quran that was kept exculsively seperate from all other narration, thus we have a whole industry evolving over the hadith, that resemble the gospels and the Bible and their compilation, NOT SO THE QURAN. The Bible within its text does not identify itself as a ``book``, thus the number of books that form part of the canon of the Catholics are different to those that form part of the canon of the protestants. etc

Ballukhan needs to get an education before making broad generalizations that have no relation to the facts.

#251 writes <<< Yes. Only a damn fool would never have heard of Wahb Ibn Munabbih >>>

Yes, you are that damn fool who has no clue that things attributed to your hero above, survive in secondary documents that date from OVER 200 years after the prophet, and the historiographer Ibn Khaldun declared your above hero a liar by name.

Re: # 249

Some serious discussion have already been made on the chowk on the politics behind compilation of the TEXTUAL FORM of the revelations..................whether it was the Bible or the holy Quran ...............the same set of politics went into the compilation and standardization of the TEXTUAL FORM of the revelations.............including the burning and destruction of the `heretic` versions...........almost like writing of the PAk Studies and Indian History Text Books........

I think Masadi Saheb needs to go thorugh these discussions on the Chowk and then REWRITE his ENTIRE THESIS.............................