The Facticity in Fanaticism

arjun_m:
one more: Allah was on the side of afghan mujahideen AND against godless soviets.. not so long ago...

( not to mention mujahideen were on the side of white-crazy-capitalist-republicans...)

#38 by pmishra2 on February 21, 2006 5:13am PT

now all we have to do is show that the koran was against communism or that marx was against the koran...his head with explode with that contradiction..

Ugh, this whacko Masadi is now available for crackpot dissertations here as well.

I thought this guy restricted his ramblings to (1) perfection of the koran (2) greatness of stalin and mao (3) inevitability of dictatorship of the proletariat.

I guess he feels he can hold forth on any subject. But the result is always the same: shoonya.

Kindly restrict your comments to the topic without resorting to personal attacks or responding to them.

Thanks.

#34 ballukhan writes <<< you are a pathetic lier Mr Asadi........ >>>

All you can do is claim things and apply labels without any proof whatsoever. Fanatics, extremists, and bigots like you are immune to all truth. Your pathetic mind has lost all sense of reason, all you have are labels and made up claims and threats. I mock you and your miserable lies.

Even the UN hasn`t been able to properly define what terrorism is ....

you are a pathetic lier Mr Asadi........

now you are trying to put up with your

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LOOK WHAT HAVE I DONE!!!

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act before the gullible ummah!!!

#31, ballukhan writes <<< ??.......it is time you packed up you act and left to make a honest living in this modern world before you would seriously think of hurting yourself ................. >>>

Another threat from this dim wit extermist who cannot think worth two cents. I suggest that in order to protect Chowk from becoming a threat mongering site where damn fools like ballukhan resort to threats revealing their bigoted extremeism, the editors should tell him that he should quit misuing his privilage of posting here to lob threats at other members.

``Answering the above is not relevant to this thread. However, I will state the following, the answer was clear, using Popper`s methodology does not imply that you use his specifics, end of story. I was not using him as an ``authority`` on Islam or religion- about which he had no clue, merely his methodology``

You are exposed Mr. Asadi..........you cannot befool moderates who know the likes of you...........thousands of empty headed ``intellectuals`` like you have made career out of ``Islamic-this`` and ``Islamic-that``..........you though that why not an ``Islamic-GUTS.``...........Comeon............do you take us for some uneducated Abdul from your pureland who would fall for your crap??.......it is time you packed up you act and left to make a honest living in this modern world before you would seriously think of hurting yourself .................

`` Why are those who brandish Islam given exclusive copyright to the terms “fanatics, radicals, extremists, fundamentalists”? ``

Nobody has a copyright on those terms.

`` I consent there are extremists among Muslims, and they have to be discouraged and disparaged in every which way possible; but name one religion which does not hold such cantankerous elements –except Buddhism and Zoroastrianism. ``

The difference between Islam and other religions is the strength and stupidity of the extremist elements.

`` It is pertinent here to mention the drama series `The Book of Daniel` - which depicted a drug addict talking to a modern and entirely decent Jesus - taken down by NBC due to the threat of Christians to boycott its sponsors in January 2005. I guess if the drama series was about Mohammad, 30 different channels would have been screening it by now in the name of liberty. There are of course sordid paintings of Jesus and a crucifix in urine, but how many are recreated in mainstream print media? Yes, there is South Park, and I’m an ardent admirer of its satire, but they have presented Jesus as naive and confused in the modern socio-political environment; never carrying bombs in his head, and most certainly never selling whores in the name of religion. ``

People have a right to decide what they will buy or not buy. Most of the programs on American television are trash. I have a hard time watching anything decent most of the time.

`` Muslims belong to a separate theology, and have a distinct way of ideating. Every culture, every nation has their separate notions of the acceptable and the obnoxious. It is absolutely preposterous and condescending to expect them to conform to western ideas of liberty and civilization. ``

Fair enough. A simple question - why do not hordes of Muslims line up to migrate to the West legally and illegally ?

#28 ballukhan writes <<< Mr. Noora Pehalwan.......on your board you made an ass of yourself before the world.............you even failed to respond to the questions I had put to you regarding Popper and his Realism >>>

Answering the above is not relevant to this thread. However, I will state the following, the answer was clear, using Popper`s methodology does not imply that you use his specifics, end of story. I was not using him as an ``authority`` on Islam or religion- about which he had no clue, merely his methodology.

Next ballukhan writes <<< ..........you are infact an insult to the ummah who is secretly collaborating with the fanatics through his ``message``............... >>>

Since when did you become the ``ummah`s`` spokesperson? What ``messages`` are those. The ones that ET sent you when you were abducted by aliens for experimentation? Come up with some original fiction rather than repeat George Bush`s BS.

``Mr. Ballukhan was totally humiliated on the other thread whenever he came up with his one liners (supplemented by gaps and dots), so now he returns for more.``

Mr. Noora Pehalwan.......on your board you made an ass of yourself before the world.............you even failed to respond to the questions I had put to you regarding Popper and his Realism.........no doubt you think that (mis)quoting Popper would help you to fool the moderate muslims into thinking that even the great western thinkers some how support your theology.........no doubt the murderer of Theoder Van Gaugh quotied Thomas Kuhn and I know for sure that your GUTS theory would be quoted by the next gullible muslim before the western world who would behead the dutch cartoonists...................you are not a light of the ummah that you may think you are..........you are infact an insult to the ummah who is secretly collaborating with the fanatics through his ``message``...............

#25 ballukhan writes <<< you harp upon the linkages between the so called petty terrorism with the so called state terrorism where there are none >>>

Mr. Ballukhan was totally humiliated on the other thread whenever he came up with his one liners (supplemented by gaps and dots), so now he returns for more. He writes the above knowing full well that the ``higher terrorist`` GWB justified his illegal, barbaric invasion of Iraq using the pretext of 9/11, there is your linkage between the petty and the higher terrorism. He should also know well that Israel uses the excuse of petty terrorism to put the entire Palestinian people under lock and key through a maze of checkpoints, and outright invasions of civilan refugee camps. The lower is nourished by the higher and the higher feeds off the lower.

Then, this damn fool states <<< ...............you are liability to US.........it is time we ostracised guys like you and ensure that you are deported back to your `pure` lands for sure..................>

Having no intellectual arguments to counter mine and having been totally defeated he resorts to threats himself (revealing his terrorist personality). Your threats dont mean a damn thing to me, get that Mr. ballukhan.

Re:ballukhan#25

Very well said. The extreme elements in muslim societies get covert and sometime overt support from the so called intellegentsia in these societies. This allows them to become the nuisance that they have become. This is the biggest foundation for terror as well. UBL has a small gang of people but he gets covert support - both financial and ideological from many people in these societies.

``Why are those who brandish Islam given exclusive copyright to the terms “fanatics, radicals, extremists, fundamentalists”? ............``

``Once the higher terrorism is taken care of the petty is bound to vanish. ``


Because compradors like you provide the necessary ideological support for the fanatics to pursue their agendas.............................you harp upon the linkages between the so called petty terrorism with the so called state terrorism where there are none.......you pursue your agenda of demeaning democracies and liberal governance in order to try and sell your theocracy to the gullible ummah...............it is because of you that moderate muslims are having a harrowing time trying to spend our useful professional hours explaining about these `fringe` elements...............you are liability to US.........it is time we ostracised guys like you and ensure that you are deported back to your `pure` lands for sure..................so that you do not defile the liberal civilizations with your ``purity``....................