Husain, Hinduism, Hindustan: Testing Tolerance

#411 Ajeya/Ramanujan

What is YOUR solution? How does one get there?

Re: #356 by Dost-Mitter

[Tell me! What prevents Mulayam Yadav from firing this Qureshi Minister? What prevented the NDA govt. from ending the haj subsidy? Why did the BJP not push for a uniform civil code when in power? It is your Hindu politicians who cater to the obscurantists instead of the progressives. This is my point. ]


I`ll tell you.

No, it`s not the answer your left-of-JNU heart was hoping for.

It IS the fault of the Muslim population, NOT the Hindu politicians.

WHY?

Politicians know that the moment they enact laws that the MAJORITY of Muslims don`t like, they will be voted OUT of office.

Why should they sacrifice their career for enacting laws that the MAJORITY of Muslims don`t wan`t anyway?

How come, when the MAJORITY of Muslims don`t want the laws changed, it is somehow the Hindu politicians that are to blame? They have more important work to do, like (hopefully) trying to uplift the Indian economy rather than falling on their swords for the tiny minority of muslims that want reforms but usually ALWAYS side with their ummah otherwise. And who knows which bearded nutjob/Islamic ``spiritual`` leader will put a fatwa on his head and the good minister will be dead because someone ``misinterpreted`` the most peaceful of religions.


And another thing - how about the Muslim politicians? Are they killing themselves over this? Why didn`t you name them also?

Freudian slip? Eh?


I know. You have NO answer for this. Take your left-wing pseudo-intellectual arguments somewhere else.

``you guys can take out rallies demanding firing of Qureishi and UCC and other good stuff- right?....What prevents you guys to be proactive towards what is good for you?.....``

mohar -- the last time they did in case of Shah Bano case -- people like Khawaja Ahmed Abbas celebrated Urdu writer and progressive led the Jaloos to protest the Sha Bano case leading thousabnds of educated Muslim, Hindu, Sikh, Christian women and men -- but to no avail -- the establishment listened to Imam Bokhari and Muslim Personal Law Board than the educated emancipated Muslim females.......

there is no reason why the Rule of Law shouldn`t apply EQUALLY to a Muslim female she is no inferior to a Hindu female......:)

btw Qureshi is a criminal -- if Mulayem keeps him in the cabinet Mulayem is a criminal too......

re:#391 by Mantolives
Jinnah papers would be appropriate. After all, the guy spent his lifetime with papers and a typewriter and even managed to get a large real estate (called Pakistan) with that.
As far your allegation that Friedman is an Indian agent, it is totally ridiculous but ofcourse you Pakis are good at spinning webs of theories on everything. You guys even think 9/11 was due to a jewish plot! So, i am not surprised at your allegation.
Anyway, in that ariticle i posted, Friedman quoted Prof Hoodhbhoy. Perhaps, the latter is also an Indian agent!
Sridhar

#407 Arjun

Let me understand. You wished Farzana had written an article on the absolute influence that people in positions of power exert? Isn`t that a world-wide phenomenon?

Otherwise, what is the relevance to the current topic?

(PS: Have you considered writing yourself? That way, perhaps you can give individuals like FV a run for their money.)

while FV whines about her pet Islamist peeves and plays apologist to the taliban/OBL, this is the editorial/article that should have been posted and discussed..

Filthy underbelly of Delhi`s high society, low culture

Kanchan Gupta

Picture this. It`s a winter night in Delhi. The date: January 10, 1999. An inebriated chap with powerful parents and a well-connected arms dealer for grandfather, is out on the streets, taking a spin in his BMW with his buddies, both of them sons of wealthy businessmen and also drunk to their gills.



The chap at the wheel, high on the heady cocktail of adrenalin and alcohol, hits the accelerator for extra speed. He loses control over the car - any drunk would - and runs it over pavement dwellers huddled in rags against the biting cold. Three of them are killed on the spot; two suffer serious injuries.

Our chap couldn`t give a toss. He shifts gear, races the engine, rams the car into a nearby police picket and kills three policemen. A bit bothered about the mess on the car - blood, flesh - he drives to his friend`s home. There, the friend`s dad tells his servants to hose down the BMW.

Unfortunately, for all the washing it gets, the car is traced because it has leaked oil. Our chap and his two friends are taken to the police station. They are still flying high on booze and the thrill of recklessly driving.

The rich and wealthy parents of these louts, who represent the happening crowd that keeps Delhi`s Page 3 high society and low culture alive and going, hire a battery of lawyers - the best money can buy - one of whom is a leading light of the Congress. Predictably, the case collapses as witnesses turn `hostile`.

Such is the power of lucre that Manoj Malik, who barely survived the speeding drunk`s fun-and-games, says in court that it was a truck and not a car that ran over him and his mates. Another witness disappears. Our chap`s friends are soon out on bail while he is allowed to fly out of the country.

Six men are run over and killed. But their alleged killer, Sanjeev Nanda, grandson of Chief of Naval Staff-turned-arms dealer Admiral SL Nanda, is neither held guilty nor punished. Sanjeev Nanda and his pals, Manik Kapoor and Siddharth Gupta, are back to where they belong - Delhi`s happening crowd.

On another winter day, this time on January 23, 1996, Priyadarshini Mattoo, a third year student of law, is brutally raped and murdered in her apartment in Delhi`s Vasant Kunj housing colony. The alleged rapist and murderer, Santosh Kumar Singh, son of an IPS officer, JP Singh, taunts the police to try and prove him guilty.

After a desultory prosecution, Santosh Kumar Singh walks free. This despite the judge saying, ``Though I know he is the man who committed the crime I acquit him, giving him benefit of doubt.`` Santosh Kumar Singh`s father JP Singh goes on to become Joint Commissioner of Delhi Police.

The outrageous verdict in the Jessica Lal murder case - this vivacious girl was shot dead in front of hundreds of people on April 29, 1999, none of whom has had the courage to identify the killer - has understandably upset those who still believe in the rule of law. But this is not the first time that the rich and the powerful, the beautiful people whom media features regularly partying late into the night in designer finery, have got away with murder by manipulating our justice system.

And, let there be no doubt. We shall never ever put the Manu Sharmas of Delhi on a shame-and-shun list. Because deep within, we aspire to be a part of the crowd to which Bina Ramani and Malini Ramani belong. That`s Delhi`s filthy underbelly for you.

I mean - if muslims vociferously ask for UCC and other good stuff - don`t you think hindu politicians would be pressured to give them that?....Don`t you think the society at large would gladly give them all the support for that?.....After all, the resistance for UCC, Haj subsidy etc comes from muslims themselves - ain`t it?.....

See - that`s the problem with you and DM and other bunch of old c00ts - you guys don`t even know when to blame hindus, which stick to beat them with..... in case of implementing UCC, dropping Haj subsidy, firing Qurieshi - hinuds would gladly do it, given half a chance.....they are the ones demanding it, while the beneficiaries are actually resisting it....

Re: # 398 nasah

It`s plain old hindu conspiracy - didn` the virtuous editor tell you already.... That`s the reason BJP didn`t push for unifrom civil code, ``maulana`` mulayam didn`t fire Qurishi and NDA didn`t scrap haj subsidy..... because, if all these thing have happened - then muslims would have lived happily after and these vile politicians would have been out of business....

So that`s no secret - We all know what prevents hindu politicians from doing these good things.... But then what prevents you muslims yourselves asking for it? I mean - you guys can take out rallies demanding firing of Qureishi and UCC and other good stuff- right?....What prevents you guys to be proactive towards what is good for you?.....

Sadna

(I got to rush so it will be short.)

Needless to say, I share the negative assessment of Jinnah. Perhaps some day the enlightenment will dawn on the masses. My best hope is from the future generations - this web site is in no way representative.

More later (perhaps).

bjkumar
It isn`t about me it is the dynamics of public discourse decreed by Islam in danger politics of many decades.

For example, when in 1937-38 the Congress said that the common Muslim cares more about daal-bhaat issues than religion, then the highly secular Jinnah said it is a cunning ruse to destroy Islam in India to say that the common Muslim cares more about daal-bhaat issues than religion; that on the contrary the common Muslim cares very deeply about the threat to his religion and his rights from Hindu parties like the Congress competing with Muslim parties like Muslim League in seeking the ordinary Muslim`s votes and hence Congress organising a Muslim mass contact program with ordinary Muslims meant Islam was in grave danger.

After 1/2 million dead and 3 million displaced at Independence the Congress seems to have bought this `secular` argument, as the Indian state first had to come into existence and then remain in existence as a viable state w/o perpetual internal communal strife before the ordinary Indian Muslim`s transition to modernity and economic concerns could be attended to.

#401 by sadna

I am unaware who declares whom what – but how does it matter – if in one’s heart one knows the reality?

Most real individuals can not be neatly categorized.

I am surprised that after spending so many years here, you sound so discouraged. I can understand some of it but still feel that one must always have one’s voice heard – irrespective of what others say, or whether they agree or not.

It is the same way with political parties – there are all kinds of individuals in every one of them. The bottom-line is what the grass-root – the basic voter – thinks and what issues are important to THAT PERSON.

Every little voice helps that adds to that level of awareness – but there are no dramatic or fool-proof or quick-and-easy solutions.

Also, this web-site is not representative of the real world – far from it!

I hold Indian politicians responsible too. But when to merely disagree with a Muslim(even the most `liberal` ones) is to be declared anti-Muslim on a discussion board, what the heck do you expect from career politicians taking a stand in public life against obscurantists who resort to raising hysteria, to commit political suicide? When the debate from the start made dishonest in that way, there are only two choices for them - to submit to everything (as the Cong does) or to oppose everything by wearing the anti-Muslim tag on the sleeve. If chowk.com is any indication, no middle way is allowable by most vocal Muslims themselves.

YLH belongs to an elite club of why no joos were killed in WTC. friedman sounds like a name belonging hinud-yahud alliance..its one explanation.

irrespective of if friedman ``admitted`` to be on indian payroll (answer is in YLHs Jinnah Hat), he raises an interesting point. in the new world, a lot of folks are going to be on indian payroll indirectly (i.e. their economics interest aligning with well-being of india) .. like nawaz sharif wanted to trade sugar e.g. so, yes, a lot of folks are likely to be on the proverbial payroll.

#393 by dost-mittar on February 24, 2006 8:49am PT


Did he?


No he didn`t....But, according to the paki worldview, he HAS to be...you see..he reported on the Indian muslim billionaire Azim PRemji but didn`t write anything about the Paki billionaire...you know..the one pakis tell us exists but refuse to name...

Friedman is biased against Pakistan
Reality is biased against Pakistan...

``Tell me! What prevents Mulayam Yadav from firing this Qureshi Minister? What prevented the NDA govt. from ending the haj subsidy? Why did the BJP not push for a uniform civil code when in power? It is your Hindu politicians who cater to the obscurantists instead of the progressives. This is my point.``(dost-mitter)

AGREE 100%

YLH

if you can ``advise`` Ballu on his plan to secularize Indian Muslims - why can`t BJ ``advise`` you on your plan to secularize paki muslims?.... even though, in your case, the whole plan is futile and will most likely end up in loss of your limb, life, property or all of them.....