Muslims in Infidelistan: A Ready Reckoner
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#445 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 15, 2006 1:34:03 pm
#442, {``Hymens can also be torn by athletic activities. ``}
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And all this time we thought that you were an atheletic supporter.
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#444 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 15, 2006 1:17:39 pm
#442, Don`t you feminazis ever write anything that`s original? Why do you have to copy & paste everything. I refuse to read second-hand crap.
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#442 Posted by ZahraJ on March 15, 2006 1:03:46 pm
To reduce the curiosity of devious minds, I decided to post the following from my ilog. An old article, but reveals a despicable mindset of some muslim countries. That mindset is no different from what is exhibited on Chowk by bunch of imposters.
Restoring Virginity Becomes Risky Business
31 May 2005,
From: Women`s eNews [mailto:womensenewstoday@womensenews.org]
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 4:12 AM
HEALTH & ENVIRONMENT
Restoring Virginity Becomes Risky Business
By Sandy Kobrin - WeNews correspondent
LOS ANGELES (WOMENSENEWS)--Some doctors perform these specialized surgeries on women late at night when there`s no one else in the waiting room.
The patients are most often women of Middle Eastern descent, some with
origins from countries such as Iran and Saudi Arabia. They frequently give false names and pay in cash. They arrive alone, faces hidden, under
elaborate hats, wigs, scarves and sunglasses and, afraid, say doctors.
They are there for hymenoplasties, or the repair of hymens, which, when
intact, are widely recognized as evidence of virginity. The surgeries could save their lives, noted the physicians who perform them, because, according to some interpretations of Islamic law, if a male relative suspects them of having premarital sex, the woman is a criminal. In some countries, such as Saudi Arabia and Nigeria, the penalty could be death.
Although for the most part, many of the women who seek these surgeries live in the U.S. with family members or to attend school, many return to their home countries when its time to look for a husband.
Doctors say that while there are no official statistics, they have seen an increase in requests for more hymen repair surgeries in recent years. In addition, more doctors are receiving threats.
``While we have no concrete numbers, doctors have reported growth in the
number of hymenoplasties,`` Dr. V. Leroy Young, chair of the emerging trends task force of the Arlington Heights, Ill., American Society of Plastic Surgeons, told Women`s eNews.
``Yes, there has been a degree of danger to doctors from fundamentalist
groups who believe you are violating a law or culture. You can get in bit of trouble.``
Young also said that it`s not just women with Middle Eastern backgrounds
seeking the surgeries. There has also been an increase in the number of
women requesting hymen repair from both the Orthodox Jewish and Christian fundamentalist communities, as well as from women of all nationalities who want the surgery as a sexual enhancement.
``Within the fundamentalist Christian population as well there has been an apparent recent movement towards `traditional family values` and there is pressure put on women to be virgins,`` Young said.
The hymen is the thin, fleshy membrane found at the opening to the vagina, long treated as a sign of virginity because it is usually torn by the first experience of sexual intercourse. Hymens can also be torn by athletic activities.
Typical hymen repair surgery involves stitching the remnants of a torn hymen together and inserting a gelatin capsule that contains a blood-mimicking substance. After the hymen has been surgically repaired, a woman will bleed the fake blood the next time she has sexual intercourse. The surgery, which costs from $2,500 to $4,500, is performed on an outpatient basis. Healing can take from a few days to a few weeks.
Doctors Get Death Threats
The women who undergo the procedures are not the only ones who fear for
their lives or well-being. A number of U.S. physicians who perform these
surgeries have received death threats by some who identify themselves as
Muslims.
Young said that some doctors have received e-mails and phone calls
threatening them or their staff with physical harm.
The threats to the doctors shadow the greater danger faced by women who
undergo the surgery. Many live in fear of violence or honor killing, a
practice in which a woman is murdered by her family members for supposedly shaming or tarnishing the family name with ``unchaste`` behavior. The practice occurs in traditional communities around the world, including the United States and Europe.
A report on honor killings by the Los Angeles-based Muslim Women`s League says that while sexual relationships outside of marriage are prohibited, honor killings are not a part of Islam.
``The problem of `honor killings` is not a problem of morality or of ensuring that women maintain their own personal virtue; rather, it is a problem of domination, power and hatred of women who, in these instances, are viewed as nothing more than servants to the family, both physically and symbolically,`` the report said.
The Islamic law of chastity before marriage does not distinguish between men and women. But women are often uniformly singled out for punishment of sexual crimes.
Dr. Laila Al-Marayati, communications director for the Muslim Women`s League and a gynecologist, says that women seek hymen-repair surgeries to cope with cultural pressures and not to comply with Islamic law, which does not stipulate a need to check a woman`s virginity.
``While Islam requires that both men and women be chaste before marriage; it doesn`t require women to prove it,`` she said. ``The need for surgery is because of the culture in some countries. Those same cultures do not require a man to prove his chasteness.``
``It is sad that doctors are being threatened because proving chastity is not part of Islam,`` she added.
Fear of Reprisal
Many doctors interviewed who have heard about the threats or have been
threatened themselves would only talk off the record to Women`s eNews for fear of reprisal. They did not want to advertise the fact that they perform the surgeries and said they like to keep a low profile on their work with hymen repair.
Dr. David Matlock, a Beverly Hills gynecologist, was an exception. Matlock, who pioneered laser vaginal rejuvenation, said he has been performing hymenoplasties on hundreds of women for over 21 years. Most, he said, were of Middle Eastern descent.
He said he recently received death threats in the mail and his office has received numerous calls from men, identifying themselves as Muslims, who threatened to kill him and his office workers if he did not stop performing hymen repair.
``They called my office numerous times and sent letters to my office with
pictures of dead and bloodied people,`` he said. ``It was unnerving to say the least. I can now better understand when these women come in and say to me: `I must do this. I`m going back to Iran and I could be killed.```
Southern California is home to a large number of people who have emigrated from Iran. Matlock noted that, while many of patients have lived in the U.S. for much of their lives, they still need to adhere to traditional practices and often undergo the surgery before looking for a husband.
Matlock said last year he contacted the FBI, who told him to keep a low
profile and to stop advertising the procedure in local papers such as the L.A. Weekly. He said he was told by the FBI that the notes were real and the people who sent them knew what they were doing.
The local Los Angeles FBI office declined to say whether it had received
calls from surgeons reporting death threats for similar reasons.
Dr. John Miklos has been performing hymenoplasties in Atlanta for the past five years on women ranging in age from 19 to 30. ``I have had many Middle Eastern women beg me to come in at night and then ask me to destroy the records. They say they could fall into the hands of family members and both of our lives could be in danger.``
More Cautious Now
Miklos says colleagues have told him about receiving threats and he has been warned by the women coming in for the procedure. In recent months, he says, he has become more cautious himself. He no longer advertises the procedure in local newspapers and he said most of his business comes from personal referral.
``These kind of threats are no different than doctors getting death threats from performing abortions,`` said Miklos. ``It`s insane that the women are so scared but it is shocking and a shame that doctors too have to be nervous.``
Dr. Bruce Allen, a prominent Toronto gynecologist, advertises hymen repair prominently on his Web site. When contacted by Women`s eNews, however, Allen said he does not do the procedure and refused to discuss his advertising and Web site.
Dr. Ronald Blatt of the Manhattan Center for Vaginal Surgery began doing
hymen repair about two years ago and reports a slight increase in the number of hymenoplasties. In the first year, the center performed two of the surgeries. Blatt could not be specific about which countries the women were from, but emphasized that the center works to be discreet about the procedure.
``We`ve only had about six and they were women who were born somewhere in the Middle East, but we try to keep a low profile. We only do it when asked.``
Sandy Kobrin is a writer based in Los Angeles who frequently writes about the plastic surgery industry.
For more information:
More Women Seek Vaginal Plastic Surgery: -
http://www.womensenews.org/article.cfm/dyn/aid/2067
For any comments about this and any other story, please send a letter to the editors at http://www.womensenews.org/letters/discus.pl
Restoring Virginity Becomes Risky Business
31 May 2005,
From: Women`s eNews [mailto:womensenewstoday@womensenews.org]
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 4:12 AM
HEALTH & ENVIRONMENT
Restoring Virginity Becomes Risky Business
By Sandy Kobrin - WeNews correspondent
LOS ANGELES (WOMENSENEWS)--Some doctors perform these specialized surgeries on women late at night when there`s no one else in the waiting room.
The patients are most often women of Middle Eastern descent, some with
origins from countries such as Iran and Saudi Arabia. They frequently give false names and pay in cash. They arrive alone, faces hidden, under
elaborate hats, wigs, scarves and sunglasses and, afraid, say doctors.
They are there for hymenoplasties, or the repair of hymens, which, when
intact, are widely recognized as evidence of virginity. The surgeries could save their lives, noted the physicians who perform them, because, according to some interpretations of Islamic law, if a male relative suspects them of having premarital sex, the woman is a criminal. In some countries, such as Saudi Arabia and Nigeria, the penalty could be death.
Although for the most part, many of the women who seek these surgeries live in the U.S. with family members or to attend school, many return to their home countries when its time to look for a husband.
Doctors say that while there are no official statistics, they have seen an increase in requests for more hymen repair surgeries in recent years. In addition, more doctors are receiving threats.
``While we have no concrete numbers, doctors have reported growth in the
number of hymenoplasties,`` Dr. V. Leroy Young, chair of the emerging trends task force of the Arlington Heights, Ill., American Society of Plastic Surgeons, told Women`s eNews.
``Yes, there has been a degree of danger to doctors from fundamentalist
groups who believe you are violating a law or culture. You can get in bit of trouble.``
Young also said that it`s not just women with Middle Eastern backgrounds
seeking the surgeries. There has also been an increase in the number of
women requesting hymen repair from both the Orthodox Jewish and Christian fundamentalist communities, as well as from women of all nationalities who want the surgery as a sexual enhancement.
``Within the fundamentalist Christian population as well there has been an apparent recent movement towards `traditional family values` and there is pressure put on women to be virgins,`` Young said.
The hymen is the thin, fleshy membrane found at the opening to the vagina, long treated as a sign of virginity because it is usually torn by the first experience of sexual intercourse. Hymens can also be torn by athletic activities.
Typical hymen repair surgery involves stitching the remnants of a torn hymen together and inserting a gelatin capsule that contains a blood-mimicking substance. After the hymen has been surgically repaired, a woman will bleed the fake blood the next time she has sexual intercourse. The surgery, which costs from $2,500 to $4,500, is performed on an outpatient basis. Healing can take from a few days to a few weeks.
Doctors Get Death Threats
The women who undergo the procedures are not the only ones who fear for
their lives or well-being. A number of U.S. physicians who perform these
surgeries have received death threats by some who identify themselves as
Muslims.
Young said that some doctors have received e-mails and phone calls
threatening them or their staff with physical harm.
The threats to the doctors shadow the greater danger faced by women who
undergo the surgery. Many live in fear of violence or honor killing, a
practice in which a woman is murdered by her family members for supposedly shaming or tarnishing the family name with ``unchaste`` behavior. The practice occurs in traditional communities around the world, including the United States and Europe.
A report on honor killings by the Los Angeles-based Muslim Women`s League says that while sexual relationships outside of marriage are prohibited, honor killings are not a part of Islam.
``The problem of `honor killings` is not a problem of morality or of ensuring that women maintain their own personal virtue; rather, it is a problem of domination, power and hatred of women who, in these instances, are viewed as nothing more than servants to the family, both physically and symbolically,`` the report said.
The Islamic law of chastity before marriage does not distinguish between men and women. But women are often uniformly singled out for punishment of sexual crimes.
Dr. Laila Al-Marayati, communications director for the Muslim Women`s League and a gynecologist, says that women seek hymen-repair surgeries to cope with cultural pressures and not to comply with Islamic law, which does not stipulate a need to check a woman`s virginity.
``While Islam requires that both men and women be chaste before marriage; it doesn`t require women to prove it,`` she said. ``The need for surgery is because of the culture in some countries. Those same cultures do not require a man to prove his chasteness.``
``It is sad that doctors are being threatened because proving chastity is not part of Islam,`` she added.
Fear of Reprisal
Many doctors interviewed who have heard about the threats or have been
threatened themselves would only talk off the record to Women`s eNews for fear of reprisal. They did not want to advertise the fact that they perform the surgeries and said they like to keep a low profile on their work with hymen repair.
Dr. David Matlock, a Beverly Hills gynecologist, was an exception. Matlock, who pioneered laser vaginal rejuvenation, said he has been performing hymenoplasties on hundreds of women for over 21 years. Most, he said, were of Middle Eastern descent.
He said he recently received death threats in the mail and his office has received numerous calls from men, identifying themselves as Muslims, who threatened to kill him and his office workers if he did not stop performing hymen repair.
``They called my office numerous times and sent letters to my office with
pictures of dead and bloodied people,`` he said. ``It was unnerving to say the least. I can now better understand when these women come in and say to me: `I must do this. I`m going back to Iran and I could be killed.```
Southern California is home to a large number of people who have emigrated from Iran. Matlock noted that, while many of patients have lived in the U.S. for much of their lives, they still need to adhere to traditional practices and often undergo the surgery before looking for a husband.
Matlock said last year he contacted the FBI, who told him to keep a low
profile and to stop advertising the procedure in local papers such as the L.A. Weekly. He said he was told by the FBI that the notes were real and the people who sent them knew what they were doing.
The local Los Angeles FBI office declined to say whether it had received
calls from surgeons reporting death threats for similar reasons.
Dr. John Miklos has been performing hymenoplasties in Atlanta for the past five years on women ranging in age from 19 to 30. ``I have had many Middle Eastern women beg me to come in at night and then ask me to destroy the records. They say they could fall into the hands of family members and both of our lives could be in danger.``
More Cautious Now
Miklos says colleagues have told him about receiving threats and he has been warned by the women coming in for the procedure. In recent months, he says, he has become more cautious himself. He no longer advertises the procedure in local newspapers and he said most of his business comes from personal referral.
``These kind of threats are no different than doctors getting death threats from performing abortions,`` said Miklos. ``It`s insane that the women are so scared but it is shocking and a shame that doctors too have to be nervous.``
Dr. Bruce Allen, a prominent Toronto gynecologist, advertises hymen repair prominently on his Web site. When contacted by Women`s eNews, however, Allen said he does not do the procedure and refused to discuss his advertising and Web site.
Dr. Ronald Blatt of the Manhattan Center for Vaginal Surgery began doing
hymen repair about two years ago and reports a slight increase in the number of hymenoplasties. In the first year, the center performed two of the surgeries. Blatt could not be specific about which countries the women were from, but emphasized that the center works to be discreet about the procedure.
``We`ve only had about six and they were women who were born somewhere in the Middle East, but we try to keep a low profile. We only do it when asked.``
Sandy Kobrin is a writer based in Los Angeles who frequently writes about the plastic surgery industry.
For more information:
More Women Seek Vaginal Plastic Surgery: -
http://www.womensenews.org/article.cfm/dyn/aid/2067
For any comments about this and any other story, please send a letter to the editors at http://www.womensenews.org/letters/discus.pl
#451 Posted by haider5 on March 16, 2006 2:23:48 am
Re: # 442 dear zahraj
``The surgeries could save their lives, noted the physicians who perform them, because, according to some interpretations of Islamic law, if a male relative suspects them of having premarital sex, the woman is a criminal. In some countries, such as Saudi Arabia and Nigeria, the penalty could be death``
zahraj you are a sensible women/girl but try to understand that on suspesion a crime cannot be proved anywhere in the world and specially as per islamic law the premarital sex is prohibited but if the relatives suspect of prmarital sex then the burden of proof is on the relatives and they will have to provide four eyewitnesses to attract the Hudood law for the capital punishment. it is also considered in determining the sentence whether the culprit was married or unmarried. if unmarried then the punishment is whipping but if married then the death sentence is ordered.
do you have any precedent of death for premarital sex in saudi arabia or any where just for the relatives suspected.
i dont want to be rude with you which is nowadays is a norm here but in the next time be carefull in relating anything to islam or islamic law because these are very sensitive issues and before mentioning anyhting such issues you need to study it well then should come to any conclusion. otherwise you will plague islam by your raw thinking and wrong conclusions. which has already done severe damage to islam.
ghulam haider
``The surgeries could save their lives, noted the physicians who perform them, because, according to some interpretations of Islamic law, if a male relative suspects them of having premarital sex, the woman is a criminal. In some countries, such as Saudi Arabia and Nigeria, the penalty could be death``
zahraj you are a sensible women/girl but try to understand that on suspesion a crime cannot be proved anywhere in the world and specially as per islamic law the premarital sex is prohibited but if the relatives suspect of prmarital sex then the burden of proof is on the relatives and they will have to provide four eyewitnesses to attract the Hudood law for the capital punishment. it is also considered in determining the sentence whether the culprit was married or unmarried. if unmarried then the punishment is whipping but if married then the death sentence is ordered.
do you have any precedent of death for premarital sex in saudi arabia or any where just for the relatives suspected.
i dont want to be rude with you which is nowadays is a norm here but in the next time be carefull in relating anything to islam or islamic law because these are very sensitive issues and before mentioning anyhting such issues you need to study it well then should come to any conclusion. otherwise you will plague islam by your raw thinking and wrong conclusions. which has already done severe damage to islam.
ghulam haider
#450 Posted by haider5 on March 16, 2006 2:23:10 am
Re: # 442 dear zahraj
``The surgeries could save their lives, noted the physicians who perform them, because, according to some interpretations of Islamic law, if a male relative suspects them of having premarital sex, the woman is a criminal. In some countries, such as Saudi Arabia and Nigeria, the penalty could be death``
zahraj you are a sensible women/girl but try to understand that on suspesion a crime cannot be proved anywhere in the world and specially as per islamic law the premarital sex is prohibited but if the relatives suspect of prmarital sex then the burden of proof is on the relatives and they will have to provide four eyewitnesses to attract the Hudood law for the capital punishment. it is also considered in determining the sentence whether the culprit was married or unmarried. if unmarried then the punishment is whipping but if married then the death sentence is ordered.
do you have any precedent of death for premarital sex in saudi arabia or any where just for the relatives suspected.
i dont want to be rude with you which is nowadays is a norm here but in the next time be carefull in relating anything to islam or islamic law because these are very sensitive issues and before mentioning anyhting such issues you need to study it well then should come to any conclusion. otherwise you will plague islam by your raw thinking and wrong conclusions. which has already done severe damage to islam.
``The surgeries could save their lives, noted the physicians who perform them, because, according to some interpretations of Islamic law, if a male relative suspects them of having premarital sex, the woman is a criminal. In some countries, such as Saudi Arabia and Nigeria, the penalty could be death``
zahraj you are a sensible women/girl but try to understand that on suspesion a crime cannot be proved anywhere in the world and specially as per islamic law the premarital sex is prohibited but if the relatives suspect of prmarital sex then the burden of proof is on the relatives and they will have to provide four eyewitnesses to attract the Hudood law for the capital punishment. it is also considered in determining the sentence whether the culprit was married or unmarried. if unmarried then the punishment is whipping but if married then the death sentence is ordered.
do you have any precedent of death for premarital sex in saudi arabia or any where just for the relatives suspected.
i dont want to be rude with you which is nowadays is a norm here but in the next time be carefull in relating anything to islam or islamic law because these are very sensitive issues and before mentioning anyhting such issues you need to study it well then should come to any conclusion. otherwise you will plague islam by your raw thinking and wrong conclusions. which has already done severe damage to islam.
#440 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 15, 2006 12:00:07 pm
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#439 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 15, 2006 10:16:55 am
#413, Saminasha, {``I have submitted at least three poems that werent predicated on maudling or sleazy descriptions of sex....not a word. Meanwhile, that same work has been well received by a literary awards group and two journals will be publishing it. But this work does not ``suit`` chowk.com`s purposes. Go figure.``}
Dear Lady,
It is quite possible that the poems you submitted were plagiarized from Temporal`s own vast collection of molested poetry. As for the stupidity and low standards of a literary awards group and two other journals, certainly, you cannot hold Chowk responsible for their willingness to accept bribes.
{``I don`t need my dap here-I am secure enough to know that my work is solid and appreciated in other south asian and american venues.``}
Now that`s more like it. Please take your solid waste and have it appreciated where it is valued. Oh yes, don`t let the door hit you where the good Lord split you. Bye.
Dear Lady,
It is quite possible that the poems you submitted were plagiarized from Temporal`s own vast collection of molested poetry. As for the stupidity and low standards of a literary awards group and two other journals, certainly, you cannot hold Chowk responsible for their willingness to accept bribes.
{``I don`t need my dap here-I am secure enough to know that my work is solid and appreciated in other south asian and american venues.``}
Now that`s more like it. Please take your solid waste and have it appreciated where it is valued. Oh yes, don`t let the door hit you where the good Lord split you. Bye.
#438 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 15, 2006 9:10:41 am
#416, Veeresh {``#415 by veeresh on March 13, 2006 9:34am PT
This was a reasonably funny article, but Mr. Salim in one of his previous avatars was funnier, I think it was in the pre-KKK/BaraChota days. ...
I do object, however, to the bait offered by way of comments on tipping habits vis-a-vis Indians, and refuse to fall for it. Let it be known that even the camel jockeys in Sam now regard domestic Indian tourists as bigger and better tippers than anybody else. ``}
Dear Veeresh,
I can see why you would object to the joke about Indians not tipping or buying drinks. I am not insinuating that your countrymen are Scots without skirts and pale hairy legs. Sir, you are a gleaming exception to the tipping habits of most Indian travelers. But then, the Indians I have observed have been mostly in the west, where dollars and euros rule the roost. At almost 45 Indian Rupees to a greenback, I can understand the hesitation to part with one. On the other hand, your generosity and lavishness in distributing Paki Rupee notes everywhere in northwestern Punjab is a tribute to your own philanthropic nature. Remember the one rupee (a Paki one at that), that you gave to the taxi driver in Lahore? It was heart melting to read about how you insisted that the poor man educate all of his six daughters, send them to medical schools, and buy new clothes for his wife, mother, and great aunt. Your generosity is well-established. Of course, and I don`t agree with it, but most Pakis will insist that you were merely carried away by the 30% premium of Indian rupees over Paki ones. That is plain old enmity and lack of gratitude on their part - I continue to respect your contributions to Pakistan. Thank you very much, sir.
This was a reasonably funny article, but Mr. Salim in one of his previous avatars was funnier, I think it was in the pre-KKK/BaraChota days. ...
I do object, however, to the bait offered by way of comments on tipping habits vis-a-vis Indians, and refuse to fall for it. Let it be known that even the camel jockeys in Sam now regard domestic Indian tourists as bigger and better tippers than anybody else. ``}
Dear Veeresh,
I can see why you would object to the joke about Indians not tipping or buying drinks. I am not insinuating that your countrymen are Scots without skirts and pale hairy legs. Sir, you are a gleaming exception to the tipping habits of most Indian travelers. But then, the Indians I have observed have been mostly in the west, where dollars and euros rule the roost. At almost 45 Indian Rupees to a greenback, I can understand the hesitation to part with one. On the other hand, your generosity and lavishness in distributing Paki Rupee notes everywhere in northwestern Punjab is a tribute to your own philanthropic nature. Remember the one rupee (a Paki one at that), that you gave to the taxi driver in Lahore? It was heart melting to read about how you insisted that the poor man educate all of his six daughters, send them to medical schools, and buy new clothes for his wife, mother, and great aunt. Your generosity is well-established. Of course, and I don`t agree with it, but most Pakis will insist that you were merely carried away by the 30% premium of Indian rupees over Paki ones. That is plain old enmity and lack of gratitude on their part - I continue to respect your contributions to Pakistan. Thank you very much, sir.
#437 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 15, 2006 8:50:29 am
#434, Subhasjoshi Salim I think it`s rather too late for this comment here (after all the skirmishes and 400+interacts), but I find your article extremely hilarious. Thank you brother.
BTW, I have been reading your posts and sometimes your ilogs for quite some time. I enjoy your witty jokes, deep sense of humour and your style.
UThaye rakho (keep it up).
This is my first ever post on chowk. So, ba birahman alla-alla, ba mussalmaN ram-ram (or whatever is appropriate).``}
Subhash Bhai,
I liked that ``Uthaye rakho`` comment. Somehow I never heard it used before - LOL. Thank you for your kind comments and I appreciate your feedback about the humor. If you laughed, my brother, then I feel rewarded. Congratulations on your first ever post on Chowk - I hope there are many many more. Anything said in love and humor is always appropriate. I thank you again for the encouragement. Khuda Hafiz and Ram-Ram, bhayya.
BTW, I have been reading your posts and sometimes your ilogs for quite some time. I enjoy your witty jokes, deep sense of humour and your style.
UThaye rakho (keep it up).
This is my first ever post on chowk. So, ba birahman alla-alla, ba mussalmaN ram-ram (or whatever is appropriate).``}
Subhash Bhai,
I liked that ``Uthaye rakho`` comment. Somehow I never heard it used before - LOL. Thank you for your kind comments and I appreciate your feedback about the humor. If you laughed, my brother, then I feel rewarded. Congratulations on your first ever post on Chowk - I hope there are many many more. Anything said in love and humor is always appropriate. I thank you again for the encouragement. Khuda Hafiz and Ram-Ram, bhayya.
#436 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 15, 2006 8:46:21 am
#435, Haider Bhai,
LOL. That is exactly the point. Very good anecdote about the plight of being a normal Pakistani in the West - thanks to Osama and his buddies. I resent the irresponsible actions of whichever Paki government that sponsored this murderous lot.
As for pretending to be Indian to avoid grief and worse - Hey, it`s about time Pakis got some benefit out of looking like their neighbors.
LOL. That is exactly the point. Very good anecdote about the plight of being a normal Pakistani in the West - thanks to Osama and his buddies. I resent the irresponsible actions of whichever Paki government that sponsored this murderous lot.
As for pretending to be Indian to avoid grief and worse - Hey, it`s about time Pakis got some benefit out of looking like their neighbors.
#435 Posted by haider5 on March 15, 2006 3:45:05 am
chauhaan bhai
include it in your ready reckoner:
A man was taking a walk in Central park in New York. Suddenly he saw a little girl being attacked by a pit bull dog . He ran over and started fighting with the dog. He succeeded in killing the dog and saving the girl`s life.
A policeman who was watching the scene walks over and says: ``You are a hero, tomorrow you can read it in all the newspapers: ``Brave New Yorker saves the life of little girl``
The man said: - ``But I am not a New Yorker!``
``Oh then it will say in newspapers in the morning: ``Brave American saveslife of little girl`` - the policeman answered.
``But I am not an American!`` - said the man.
``Oh, what are you then? ``
The man said: - ``I am a Pakistani!``
The next day the newspaper said: ``Islamic extremist kills innocent
American dog``.
it is advised if in next time you kill a mosquitoe and if a policeman asks you who you are never say you are pakistani say you are an indian.
ghulam haider
include it in your ready reckoner:
A man was taking a walk in Central park in New York. Suddenly he saw a little girl being attacked by a pit bull dog . He ran over and started fighting with the dog. He succeeded in killing the dog and saving the girl`s life.
A policeman who was watching the scene walks over and says: ``You are a hero, tomorrow you can read it in all the newspapers: ``Brave New Yorker saves the life of little girl``
The man said: - ``But I am not a New Yorker!``
``Oh then it will say in newspapers in the morning: ``Brave American saveslife of little girl`` - the policeman answered.
``But I am not an American!`` - said the man.
``Oh, what are you then? ``
The man said: - ``I am a Pakistani!``
The next day the newspaper said: ``Islamic extremist kills innocent
American dog``.
it is advised if in next time you kill a mosquitoe and if a policeman asks you who you are never say you are pakistani say you are an indian.
ghulam haider
#434 Posted by subhashjoshi on March 14, 2006 2:10:54 pm
Salim I think it`s rather too late for this comment here (after all the skirmishes and 400+interacts), but I find your article extremely hilarious. Thank you brother.
BTW, I have been reading your posts and sometimes your ilogs for quite some time. I enjoy your witty jokes, deep sense of humour and your style.
UThaye rakho (keep it up).
This is my first ever post on chowk. So, ba birahman alla-alla, ba mussalmaN ram-ram (or whatever is appropriate).
BTW, I have been reading your posts and sometimes your ilogs for quite some time. I enjoy your witty jokes, deep sense of humour and your style.
UThaye rakho (keep it up).
This is my first ever post on chowk. So, ba birahman alla-alla, ba mussalmaN ram-ram (or whatever is appropriate).
#432 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 14, 2006 8:38:11 am
I resent the usurpation of all things feminine by the self-proclaimed feminazis of Chowk. The women in my life - family members, neighbors, professional associates, and friends are very different. They are warm, intelligent, compassionate, sincere, polite, and friendly. I love, honor, and respect them and thank God for their presence and support. Most men, barring a few, are naturally and genuinely supportive of women and appreciate them as full partners in making this temporary life on earth as pleasant as possible. Just as my friends and I cannot speak for the men in these hysterical maniacs` lives, I emphasize that they have no role in the interest of women in our lives. The women I know reject the false, myopic, useless, and selfish pursuits of the feminazis. It is interesting to note that while these drum-beaters of feminine rights become hysterical at the mention of the word ``female`` by men, they have no problem with abusing the females, even dead grandmothers and pregnant wives, of their male opponents. It appears that their contempt for ``female abuse`` is quite selective, because they themselves are the biggest abusers of females. Just notice how several of them are treating Chowk`s own sweet and energetic long-distance champion, Zeena. Case closed.
#431 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 14, 2006 8:23:39 am
Haider5 #428, {``i am reading your article for last two days reason is that you have so much feedback for this article. i am a paki and it is our habit that we get involved ourselves in things where so many people are involved just to see why they are involved? but reading your article i am so much impressed by your sense of humour that i feel that you are a travel agent. and specially it made me laugh (though i laughed on the whole article) ...after reading it i beleive only once you visited the Greece or Athens (was abused?) ...chauhaan bhai i am really thanfull to you that you said there are 97.6% terrorist are muslims and did not say that there are 97.6% muslims are terrorist. it would be the obvious reason to attack the whole muslim world for America. yaar i am afraid of american wrath....the time is against muslims without saying inshaalah the time will come when the day would be in our favour till then subterfuge, masquerade, and camouflage will be our salvation as per our most humorous and witty article writer slim chauhaan.
chauhaan bhai why have you been so touchy and serious about muslims at the end of your article and forged a salvation programme. it shows your senserity to muslim community. you are great paa ji and i am your fan in true sense and not ceiling fan, hoping to read more and more articles of such level.
ghulam haider ``}
Haider Sahib, mere bhai,
What a wonderful name you have. I have always liked the name ``Haider,`` especially because it has to do with Imam Ali, the brave and decent human being, who was a true follower of The Holy Prophet (PBUH). The only problem is that in the west, there is a girl`s name, Heather, that could cause some issues for little boys named ``Haider`` in school. Sir, thank you very much for laughing and enjoying - as I have said many times, that is what makes my day. To bring laughter, while making a point, and then to benefit from more laughter in return is what human interaction is all about.
I laughed so hard about your insinuation that my advice about not performing Sijda in Greece is based on personal experience. Yes, I have been to several places in Greece and while I did not perform Sijda there, I did worry about what to do if I dropped some money on the ground. Thank God I did not drop any such funds. My advice to people traveling to Greece is not to drop any money. If you do, under no circumstances should you bend over to pick it up, especially if it`s some coins, a dollar bill, or even a $5 dollar bill. Any amount of $20 or more is well worth the risk. No, I am not a travel agent, but in my next life, I would love to come back as an airline pilot - just for the travel aspect.
Thank you for noting the difference between 97.6% of terrorists being Muslim and the unacceptable charge of 97.6% of Muslims being terrorists. A few bad apples are making rotten applesauce for the rest of us. I am working on an article that you will find quite interesting.
My point about ``subterfuge, masquerade, and camouflage`` was a satire about the West`s inability to distinguish between normal every-day decent Musims and those who are bent upon killing themselves and everyone else. Living in Pakistan, you must appreciate the dangers to society posed by these suicidal maniacs. I am convinced that one day, Inshallah, the true spirit of Islam represented by peace, compassion, equality, justice, unity, tolerance, and forgiveness will prevail.
I found several comments that you made quite witty and humorous. It is fun receiving such encouraging and funny feedback.
Thank you very much and have a great evening.
Salim Ahmed Chauhan
chauhaan bhai why have you been so touchy and serious about muslims at the end of your article and forged a salvation programme. it shows your senserity to muslim community. you are great paa ji and i am your fan in true sense and not ceiling fan, hoping to read more and more articles of such level.
ghulam haider ``}
Haider Sahib, mere bhai,
What a wonderful name you have. I have always liked the name ``Haider,`` especially because it has to do with Imam Ali, the brave and decent human being, who was a true follower of The Holy Prophet (PBUH). The only problem is that in the west, there is a girl`s name, Heather, that could cause some issues for little boys named ``Haider`` in school. Sir, thank you very much for laughing and enjoying - as I have said many times, that is what makes my day. To bring laughter, while making a point, and then to benefit from more laughter in return is what human interaction is all about.
I laughed so hard about your insinuation that my advice about not performing Sijda in Greece is based on personal experience. Yes, I have been to several places in Greece and while I did not perform Sijda there, I did worry about what to do if I dropped some money on the ground. Thank God I did not drop any such funds. My advice to people traveling to Greece is not to drop any money. If you do, under no circumstances should you bend over to pick it up, especially if it`s some coins, a dollar bill, or even a $5 dollar bill. Any amount of $20 or more is well worth the risk. No, I am not a travel agent, but in my next life, I would love to come back as an airline pilot - just for the travel aspect.
Thank you for noting the difference between 97.6% of terrorists being Muslim and the unacceptable charge of 97.6% of Muslims being terrorists. A few bad apples are making rotten applesauce for the rest of us. I am working on an article that you will find quite interesting.
My point about ``subterfuge, masquerade, and camouflage`` was a satire about the West`s inability to distinguish between normal every-day decent Musims and those who are bent upon killing themselves and everyone else. Living in Pakistan, you must appreciate the dangers to society posed by these suicidal maniacs. I am convinced that one day, Inshallah, the true spirit of Islam represented by peace, compassion, equality, justice, unity, tolerance, and forgiveness will prevail.
I found several comments that you made quite witty and humorous. It is fun receiving such encouraging and funny feedback.
Thank you very much and have a great evening.
Salim Ahmed Chauhan
#430 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 14, 2006 8:05:38 am
#426, ZaharJ {`` re #414, delhiwala - This ain`t Delhi. Only speak for yourself. Don`t you dare to speak for others!``}
Dear Lady,
Mr. Dillidost is a good friend of mine and has many supporters on either side of the border. He has addressed me as a cousin and has been a source of encouragement and solid advice for me. He has every right to speak for me and I appreciate his kind words. People like Dillidost and Kaura are fine representatives of the Sikh faith. Too bad that you couldn`t be the same for Islam.
Dear Lady,
Mr. Dillidost is a good friend of mine and has many supporters on either side of the border. He has addressed me as a cousin and has been a source of encouragement and solid advice for me. He has every right to speak for me and I appreciate his kind words. People like Dillidost and Kaura are fine representatives of the Sikh faith. Too bad that you couldn`t be the same for Islam.
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