Love Ya, Dubya

I have already said about the nuclear deal - its probably good for India.

Osama - even Bush has said he is nt searching for him - because hes `hiding`. And the reason Bush wants the man? Because he is a Saudi dissident, and conflicts with ARAMCO etc.


What about Guantaenamo - do you think Bush is doing the right thing in this era - torturing 100`s of people because of their beliefs - some over 4 years?


China? How does China affect this debate? Is Bush visiting China? ALL THOSE ON THIS BOARD WHO IGNORE THIS REPORT ARE HYPOCRITES.

heres why Bush is unwelcome in peace loving India :


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/16_02_06_un_guantanamo.pdf

parthaab:


Does it mean that chinese premier is also not welcomed in india,

did the leftist and the jihadis protest at that time too???


``China: Political Prisoner Exposes Brutality in Police-Run Mental Hospital
Eyewitness Testimonies from Notorious Ankang Asylum
(New York, November 2, 2005)—After 13 years in a Chinese police-run mental asylum, dissident Wang Wanxing has been freed, Human Rights Watch said today. Wang had been forcibly held in a Beijing asylum for the criminally insane after staging a brief, one-man pro-democracy demonstration in Tiananmen Square on the eve of the third anniversary of the June 4, 1989 crackdown.

On August 16, Wang, 56, was discharged from the Beijing Public Security Bureau`s Ankang Hospital for the Custody and Treatment of Mentally Ill Offenders, was driven under heavy police escort directly to Beijing Airport, and was put on a flight to Frankfurt, Germany, where his wife and daughter have been living as political refugees for the past few years. Wang Wanxing`s unexpected release from the police-run mental asylum and his enforced exile to Germany took place shortly before an official visit to Beijing by Louise Arbour, the U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights. The U.N.`s Special Rapporteur on Torture, Manfred Nowak, is also due to visit China later this month.

Wang Wanxing is the first known released inmate of China`s notorious Ankang system, out of an estimated 3,000 or more political detainees held in police-run psychiatric custody since the early 1980s, to have left China and be in a position to speak out about his experiences. However, according to Wang, the last thing one of the Beijing Ankang officials said to him before he boarded his flight to Germany was, “If you ever speak out about your experiences at our hospital, we`ll come and bring you back here again.”

“Wang`s release is welcome news, but it highlights the fate of hundreds of other political detainees forced into psychiatric care in China for no good medical reason,” said Brad Adams, Asia director at Human Rights Watch. “It is time for China’s leaders to decide that their ‘modernization’ drive should include an end to barbaric practices such as using psychiatric facilities and medically unnecessary drugs to punish those with different political views.”

Wang told Human Rights Watch about the general conditions of his confinement at the Beijing Ankang asylum, and about how he and the other inmates were treated there. For the first seven years of his incarceration at the asylum, Wang was held in a general ward containing between 50 and 70 inmates. But during his final five years he was placed in a special ward containing similar numbers of severely psychotically-disturbed inmates, most of whom had committed murder. According to Wang, the extent of patient-on-patient violence in this ward was terrifying. He frequently had to force himself to stay awake all night to avoid sudden and unprovoked inmate attacks. In order to maintain his basic health and sanity, Wang used to take frequent brief catnaps throughout the day, and once a week or so, he would swallow several of the chlorpromazine tablets that he had saved in order to get at least one good night`s rest.


full article:

http://hrw.org/english/docs/2005/11/01/china11957.htm

Re: # 237

parthaab:

guatanamo prisoners should be prosecuted or set free, as it is applicable.

but you still havn`t replied to # 236:

what do you say about the nuclear deal ??

also,

why do indian muslims support osama???

parthaab:

What`s your idea of the Saudi king??.. and what do you think about the welcome given to Saudi king as the chief guest of the `Republic day` parade in a `secular/multi-religious/multi-ethnic` India??

#232 arjun_m writes <<< The point is: The US decides what it wants to do...Absent any power that can compel it to do otherwise, that`s just how it`s going to be. >>>

Good, then it should say that that is what it is doing instead of claiming the higher moral ground when it doesn`t possess any. Considering the disparity that exists in the ``power`` of the US military viz a viz other countries, the insurgency is giving them a run for their money. George Bush`s whim and policies do not determine if a person is a ``terrorist`` or not. As far as I am concerned, GWB is a bigger terrorist than all Gitmo people put together.

#234 hypocrite parthaab

How many millions of people have been tortured by the communist dictatorship of China? How many thousand of tibetans are in chinese jails being tortured TODAY? How many Falun Gong activists have been murdered by Chinese govt in the last year?

HAVE YOU EVER SAID A WORD ABOUT THEM??


NO. NO. NO.

You are stinking left-wing hypocrite whose selective indignation shows how badly you have been brainwashed.

Netizen, heres why Bush is unwelcome in peace loving India :


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/16_02_06_un_guantanamo.pdf

parthaab:

what do you say about the nuclear deal ??

also,

why do indian muslims support osama???

Farzana,

[quote]
If a few `worship` them as deities, they are holding on to some Red Book, like clutching on to some scripture/holy text to identify themselves. You do have national leaders claiming to admire Hitler.
There is no comparison between Modi and Karat; Karat has not been behind the murders of his own people or of anyone.
[quote]

You are a hypocrite. You use one standard for Prakash Karat and a different one for others. Prakash Karat subscribes to an extremist ideology that has killed 10s of thousands of indians and millions elsewhere. As I have taken a vow not to rant at women interactors, I have nothing more to say to you.

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Meanwhile, certain indians use violence to further their political views. I think after these extreme protests we will see a resurgence of right-wing ``hindu`` political forces soon.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060303/ap_on_re_as/india_bush_protest_3

[quote]
Violence erupted in the city of Lucknow when dozens of armed Muslims tried to force Hindu shop owners to shut their stores to protest Bush`s visit, said Senior Superintendent of Police Ashutosh Pandey. The two sides argued, exchanged blows, and finally shot at each other, killing a Muslim teenager, Pandey said.
[quote]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060303/ap_on_re_as/india_bush_protest_3

Arjun, if you are not Hindu, you must be a christian or `non` practising` religious fanatic.

Torture is crude and inhumane. Let us not dwelve into the `merits` of torture. It is not only disgusting, but degrading the debate.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4603346.stm

Three Killed at Indian Anti-Bush Protests

By NIRMALA GEORGE
Associated Press Writer

HYDERABAD, India

Anger at President Bush swept through parts of India on Friday as protesters burned his effigy and carried posters of Osama bin Laden. Three people were killed in clashes, and 18 were injured.

While most Indians look favorably upon the United States, and though the protests have not been as large as expected, anti-Bush demonstrations have been held in various Indian cities by communists and Muslim groups during his visit.

Violence erupted in the city of Lucknow when dozens of armed Muslims tried to force Hindu shop owners to shut their stores to protest Bush`s visit, said Senior Superintendent of Police Ashutosh Pandey. The two sides argued, exchanged blows, and finally shot at each other, killing a Muslim teenager, Pandey said.

Television stations showed shrieking people carrying the injured on fruit carts through narrow streets choked with protesters.

#230 by dost-mittar on March 3, 2006 8:25am PT

I`ll trust the judgement of the boys from Langley..If they think torture works, they should use it...If they think barbara streisand songs do the trick, they should be free to use that..

The point is: The US decides what it wants to do...Absent any power that can compel it to do otherwise, that`s just how it`s going to be.

I didn`t see comrade masadi and his homies protest saddam`s use of torture..and they were ok with the US bombing Serbia without UN approval..

#212 by harimau

“I am thinking of buying a cell phone for my dog.”

I am glad, despite being utterly poor; you take care of your brother…
How about the bit-ch…would she get any?

arjun_m#226:

Even if you ignore the issues of legality and morality, where did you learn that torture provides good information? Making the victim spit out whatever you want to hear is not always good intelligence.

#227 by masadi on March 3, 2006 7:46am PT


When were the trials held and convictions handed out?


Is there a world court that judges countries and can send the world police or the world military to enforce it`s writ? No? Then the only trial that matters is the one we had here in November 2004...and Dubya, and his gitmo policies, won that trial.


George Bush`s whim does not count as a court of law.


Absent a power that can challenge the US and force it to change it`s policies, Dubya`s policies are what count..unless the US congress or the US supreme court say other wise..


Fill me in


I`ll clue you in...It`s called sovereignty..The US has a right to decide what it wants to do with the terrorists it`s captured at gitmo....Only the US government acting on the will of the US people get to decide what`s right....

just as Pakiland has a right to declare ahmedis non-muslims...or kill a few hundred thousand bangladeshis without having anyone prosecuted for it.

Don`t like the fact that the US gets to decide what it wants to do with the terrorists it`s captured? Tough...Pull the cord, stop the world and get off at the next stop...

The nuclear deal has to be ratified by both houses of Congress in the US. That has not yet been done. There may be a battle ahead. Not everybody in the US is happy with this.