Love Ya, Dubya

Looks like the people demonstrating in azad maidan were better off than people in Farzana`s mother ship...

Imran Khan put in house arrest in Islamabad
(Updated at 0235 PST)
ISLAMABAD: Chief of Tehrik Insaf Imran Khan was put on house arrest in Islamabad, Geo News said early Saturday.

Imran Khan was served house arrest notice here by Deputy Commissioner Islamabad. Imran Khan had announced to protest on Saturday against Bush visit to Pakistan.

anil
[...I have personally known Somnath Chatterjee, and hosted him at my home in silicon valley. He is very astute and understand economic needs of the nation quite well...]

can you really say this with a straight- face :)..... Commie losers understand economics like Osama understands inter-faith harmony....

Okay, so that`s the OLD statement. (from July 2005). Still looking for the recent one.

In contrast with what was predicted in this article, the following is what ACTUALLY came out of President Bush`s visit.


Joint Statement Between President George W. Bush and Prime Minister Manmohan Singh


Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and President Bush today declare their
resolve to transform the relationship between their countries and establish
a global partnership. As leaders of nations committed to the values of
human freedom, democracy and rule of law, the new relationship between
India and the United States will promote stability, democracy, prosperity
and peace throughout the world. It will enhance our ability to work
together to provide global leadership in areas of mutual concern and
interest.

Building on their common values and interests, the two leaders resolve:

To create an international environment conducive to promotion of
democratic values, and to strengthen democratic practices in societies
which wish to become more open and pluralistic.

To combat terrorism relentlessly. They applaud the active and vigorous
counterterrorism cooperation between the two countries and support more
international efforts in this direction. Terrorism is a global scourge and
the one we will fight everywhere. The two leaders strongly affirm their
commitment to the conclusion by September of a UN comprehensive convention
against international terrorism.

The Prime Minister`s visit coincides with the completion of the Next Steps
in Strategic Partnership (NSSP) initiative, launched in January 2004. The
two leaders agree that this provides the basis for expanding bilateral
activities and commerce in space, civil nuclear energy and dual-use
technology.

Drawing on their mutual vision for the U.S.-India relationship, and our
joint objectives as strong long-standing democracies, the two leaders agree
on the following:

FOR THE ECONOMY

Revitalize the U.S.-India Economic Dialogue and launch a CEO Forum to
harness private sector energy and ideas to deepen the bilateral economic
relationship.

Support and accelerate economic growth in both countries through greater
trade, investment, and technology collaboration.

Promote modernization of India`s infrastructure as a prerequisite for the
continued growth of the Indian economy. As India enhances its investment
climate, opportunities for investment will increase.

Launch a U.S.-India Knowledge Initiative on Agriculture focused on
promoting teaching, research, service and commercial linkages.

FOR ENERGY AND THE ENVIRONMENT

Strengthen energy security and promote the development of stable and
efficient energy markets in India with a view to ensuring adequate,
affordable energy supplies and conscious of the need for sustainable
development. These issues will be addressed through the U.S.-India Energy
Dialogue.

Agree on the need to promote the imperatives of development and
safeguarding the environment, commit to developing and deploying cleaner,
more efficient, affordable, and diversified energy technologies.

FOR DEMOCRACY AND DEVELOPMENT

Develop and support, through the new U.S.-India Global Democracy
Initiative in countries that seek such assistance, institutions and
resources that strengthen the foundations that make democracies credible
and effective. India and the U.S. will work together to strengthen
democratic practices and capacities and contribute to the new U.N.
Democracy Fund.

Commit to strengthen cooperation and combat HIV/AIDs at a global level
through an initiative that mobilizes private sector and government
resources, knowledge, and expertise.

FOR NON-PROLIFERATION AND SECURITY

Express satisfaction at the New Framework for the U.S.-India Defense
Relationship as a basis for future cooperation, including in the field of
defense technology.

Commit to play a leading role in international efforts to prevent the
proliferation of Weapons of Mass Destruction. The U.S. welcomed the
adoption by India of legislation on WMD (Prevention of Unlawful Activities
Bill).

Launch a new U.S.-India Disaster Relief Initiative that builds on the
experience of the Tsunami Core Group, to strengthen cooperation to prepare
for and conduct disaster relief operations.

FOR HIGH-TECHNOLOGY AND SPACE

Sign a Science and Technology Framework Agreement, building on the
U.S.-India High-Technology Cooperation Group (HTCG), to provide for joint
research and training, and the establishment of public-private
partnerships.

Build closer ties in space exploration, satellite navigation and launch,
and in the commercial space arena through mechanisms such as the U.S.-India
Working Group on Civil Space Cooperation.

Building on the strengthened nonproliferation commitments undertaken in
the NSSP, to remove certain Indian organizations from the Department of
Commerce`s Entity List.

Recognizing the significance of civilian nuclear energy for meeting growing
global energy demands in a cleaner and more efficient manner, the two
leaders discussed India`s plans to develop its civilian nuclear energy
program.

President Bush conveyed his appreciation to the Prime Minister over India`s
strong commitment to preventing WMD proliferation and stated that as a
responsible state with advanced nuclear technology, India should acquire
the same benefits and advantages as other such states. The President told
the Prime Minister that he will work to achieve full civil nuclear energy
cooperation with India as it realizes its goals of promoting nuclear power
and achieving energy security. The President would also seek agreement
from Congress to adjust U.S. laws and policies, and the United States will
work with friends and allies to adjust international regimes to enable full
civil nuclear energy cooperation and trade with India, including but not
limited to expeditious consideration of fuel supplies for safeguarded
nuclear reactors at Tarapur. In the meantime, the United States will
encourage its partners to also consider this request expeditiously. India
has expressed its interest in ITER and a willingness to contribute. The
United States will consult with its partners considering India`s
participation. The United States will consult with the other participants
in the Generation IV International Forum with a view toward India`s
inclusion.

The Prime Minister conveyed that for his part, India would reciprocally
agree that it would be ready to assume the same responsibilities and
practices and acquire the same benefits and advantages as other leading
countries with advanced nuclear technology, such as the United States.
These responsibilities and practices consist of identifying and separating
civilian and military nuclear facilities and programs in a phased manner
and filing a declaration regarding its civilians facilities with the
International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA); taking a decision to place
voluntarily its civilian nuclear facilities under IAEA safeguards; signing
and adhering to an Additional Protocol with respect to civilian nuclear
facilities; continuing India`s unilateral moratorium on nuclear testing;
working with the United States for the conclusion of a multilateral Fissile
Material Cut Off Treaty; refraining from transfer of enrichment and
reprocessing technologies to states that do not have them and supporting
international efforts to limit their spread; and ensuring that the
necessary steps have been taken to secure nuclear materials and technology
through comprehensive export control legislation and through harmonization
and adherence to Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) and Nuclear
Suppliers Group (NSG) guidelines.

The President welcomed the Prime Minister`s assurance. The two leaders
agreed to establish a working group to undertake on a phased basis in the
months ahead the necessary actions mentioned above to fulfill these
commitments. The President and Prime Minister also agreed that they would
review this progress when the President visits India in 2006.
The two leaders also reiterated their commitment that their countries would
play a leading role in international efforts to prevent the proliferation
of weapons of mass destruction, including nuclear, chemical, biological and
radiological weapons.

In light of this closer relationship, and the recognition of India`s
growing role in enhancing regional and global security, the Prime Minister
and the President agree that international institutions must fully reflect
changes in the global scenario that have taken place since 1945. The
President reiterated his view that international institutions are going to
have to adapt to reflect India`s central and growing role. The two leaders
state their expectations that India and the United States will strengthen
their cooperation in global forums.

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh thanks President Bush for the warmth of his
reception and the generosity of his hospitality. He extends an invitation
to President Bush to visit India at his convenience and the President
accepts that invitation.

Re: # 199

Farzana:

{I am amazed that the Muslims in India have to look up to a Bush reward, when I believe that the community should reject the very concept of `rewards` by its own establishment and fellow citizens.}

I am not thinking in terms of reward from Bush. For me, America needs India and India needs America. Both nations have common interests.

I am indeed pointing to muslim Indians contribution toward moderation of Islam in India. If muslim Indians had chosen suicide bombing, instead of peaceful protest in Azad Maidan, no one could have stopped them.

I felt proud, when I saw the picture of Azad Maidan rally, in the Daily Times, a Pakistani paper, which also carried picture of burning cars and damage from suicide bombing in Karachi.

The contrast was obvious to me. I do not know about you. This contrast is a major contribuition of muslims in India to India and helping mature its democracy. This is my point, and therefore, I am still interested in finding out what differentiates a muslim Indian from a muslim Pakistani?


{Terrorism is not confined to one community, and if IMs opted for moderation (why is it always that they are supposed to have opted for it? Why can they not be naturally peace-loving? Does anyone ask whether people from other communities have opted for moderation?), and you say it has to do with democracy, then are we to assume that those who are conservatives or terrorists are indeed fighting the stranglehold of certain dictatorial forces? }

This is not my area of expertise. I also do not believe that terrorism is confined one community. My question is why muslim Indian responds so differently?

{Who is Bush anyway to talk about democracy? }

You are probably asking this quesstion out of anger, otherwise I am certain you can see things beyond his diastorous Iraq policy, and will give credit to the U.S. system of governance, which elected him as the President.

{I am all for the protests that were held against him, but I would like to add that I am completely against Muslim organisations taking out a separate rally. This is a matter of concern for all Indians, and the Left is a political party and therefore has every right to speak in that capacity, but not a religious community. }

Knowing you, I can say, that you will never support anything that smells communal.

While for you, it may be an issue for all Indians, for me it shows that India governance has matured to an stage that it separates economic (energy needs is part of it) away from political sentiments. This separation is essential for the growth in India.

On the street communist can say whatever they want to please their electorate. I saw of pictures of women in sari and bindi squatting and holding banners against Bush. These pictures left me convinced that they were trucked into Delhi from neighboring villages and paid money to protest.

Something I had seen while student in Delhi. Therefore, I got chuckles out of it that Indian politics of protest, started by its founding father, will never change, and economic motivation as has been added to it. When BJP would host a rally in Ramlila Ground in Delhi you would see the same paid for protest crowd, as it is a paid outing to Delhi for these villagers.

In the parliament in Delhi, Communist will support the nuke-deal otherwise it will die in India, and not on the capitol hill in DC. I am certain, MMS must have struck deal with Somnath Chatterjee and other leftist leaders in his coalition. I have personally known Somnath Chatterjee, and hosted him at my home in silicon valley. He is very astute and understand economic needs of the nation quite well.

Thanks,

Anil

Re: # 267
Jang
Well put. I`ll treat you to the beer+biryani at Mocambo sometime.

Parthaab:

I`d add to pmishra`s questions..

How old are you??
..

While agreeing with your noble thoughts on the ``human rights`` of ``prisoners`` in Guantanamo bay, I asked you the question having this in mind..

1. As far as I know there are no Indians in Guantanamo bay. implies, no Indian`s ``rights` were trampled by Bush administration.

2. Around 5.5 million foreign workers work in Saudi and I believe atleast half of them are non-Muslims. Let`s assume 10% of them are Indian Hindus. They have been denied the basic rights of worshipping EVEN WITHIN THEIR HOMES.. and related rituals for births/deaths etc..and could be arrested/jailed/deported for doing that..
We know for sure that atleast some Indian`s rights were trampled upon.. I believe even Muslims who don`t follow the strict wahabbism are denied their rights.. Worst part is this is creeping into Indian Muslims too.. I follow the debates between wahabbis and ``dargah worshipping`` folks in the tamil Muslim community..

With this in mind, now answer my question, What do you think about the ``welcome given to the Saudi king`` by the Indian govt. and did we see any protests??.

its like this..hindus (non-commie) dont like bush for iraq war, but they can distingish bush the iraq policy from bush the president of amrica with which they dont have a panga and see benefit in a better relationship. commies are using this to get mulsim votes, so they are the real hypocrites. most of the indians are putting-up with all the tamasha the same way they put up with ganesh puja crowds... we indians are very tolerant people.

parthaab the great intellectual writes:

[quote]
Forget far away Saudi Arabia
[quote]

HA, HA ! What an ignoramus! Saudi arabia has HUGE cultural influence on indians and south asia. Saudi money is everywhere, funding hatred and division wherever possible. Unfortunately, its not just the saudis either....

Perform a simple test: go to the local mosque and ask them whether their mullah was ``educated`` in Saudi Arabia. Then ask him about co-existence, equality of religions, hindu, jews etc.

Enjoy the answer.

#258 parthaab

Did you support or organize demonstration against the chinese dictators when they came to india?

awnser: YES/NO (dont give us blather)

Did you support or organize demonstration against the nazi ideology of saudi arabia when their ``King`` came to india?

answer: YES/NO (dont give us blather)

If the answer is NO, they you are a hypocrite when discussing human rights issues. Your only interest is in bashing the USA, UK, Israel etc. In other words, the usual left-wing bakwaas....

Re: # 261


hahaha...


very soon a ``chatter``-jee commmission instituted by mulla mulayam will conclude that the lucknow riots were just mere accidents most probably caused by a rss/vhp conspiracy to defame the peaceful (because ``islam`` means peace) muslims.

do you want people to comment on that too!

Re: # 257
parthaab:

``On the contrary, Gujarat is definitely in context. it helps in understanding why Bush is being welcomed in India only by Hindus. This is obviously a religious problem. There is a religious affinity for Bush among hardline Hindus, while even moderates do not like the man for his war mongering and religious fanaticism.``

don`t act so ignorant. religiously, instead of saying that bush is welcomed only by the hindus, i can also say that he is opposed only by the muslims.

what about the other religions. or to you only the muslims matter as the only other religion in india (apart from the hindus).

infact, in your earlier posts you had alleged that bush is welcomed by religious nuts among hindus and chiristians. you are not even consistent.


``There is a religious affinity for Bush among hardline Hindus, ``

so what is bushes ( he even declined attending diwali) fault with that. if the hardline hindus think bush is the 11th avatar of vishnu thats their prerogative. does that mean that leftists should undermine indias interest for that???

also, but how does gujarat fit in this equation??? didn`t bush reject modis visa (to the happiness of the same leftists/islamists)


``even moderates do not like the man for his war mongering and religious fanaticism.``

yeah but the moderate hindus like him if he helps us in areas where we need help. and unfortunately for the leftist/islamist he is going all the way to make india better prepared for the future.

doesn`t that make even you, a islamic-sympathizer, happy that if things work out even the poor muslims will benefit from it.

Do not twist things out of context and read the sentences in full and the sentence that follows.

And this is what I had stated in #199:

[Who is Bush anyway to talk about democracy?

I am all for the protests that were held against him, but I would like to add that I am completely against Muslim organisations taking out a separate rally. This is a matter of concern for all Indians, and the Left is a political party and therefore has every right to speak in that capacity, but not a religious community.]

The Justice UC Banerjee committee has ruled that the fire in S-6 coach of the Sabarmati Express in Godhra was accidental.

The incident on February 27, 2002 sparked communal riots across Gujarat killing hundreds of people.

What is your view?

Re: # 259 mishra

Forget far away Saudi Arabia ... I still dont know why you have the itch... and anyway this fanatically religious regime depends on its religion and USA to have a luxurious lifestyle.

#248 parthaab the ignorant

Do you know anything at all? Its a miracle you can spell your own name.

Saudi Arabia funds EVERY YEAR over $1Billion on wahhabi islam. Mullahs are brought from india, malaysia, bangladesh and taught to HATE THE INFIDEL. They are taught that islam is superior to everything else; that they should shun and avoid their non-muslim neighbors; they are taught that others must convert to islam and that any perceived threat to islam must be met by violence.

Starting the 70s the traditional hinduized islam of south-east asia has been replaced more and more by this horrible, violent and barbaric cult. Compared to this Saudi ideology, RSS is a beautiful kind organization.

The results are everywhere to see: in bangladesh, in kashmir, in indonesia. In all these societies the old sufi islam is destroyed and replaced by extremist and exclusionist islam. These formerly gentle societies are starting to produce suicide bombers and crazy arab-wannabes.

OF COURSE, YOU HAVE NO IDEA. How could you? It would involve thinking ! All you know is whatever garbage your left-wing slave masters teach you. Even when you are attacked by a jihadi you will still keep blaming george bush.