Love Ya, Dubya

#77

Aha when logic fails, lets get emotional and get into the gutter !!!!.

Life is just not fear. I have yet not understood why these commentators look down upon these poor fellas who burn the KFC. After all these poor fellas had to do something besides a peacefull protest to get onto the TV screens!!!

Wah bhai, how about burning the US embassy - but then where will thay stand in line for the Visa!!!!

Protests in Bangalore- Deve Gowda and party





Protests in Kerala(unknown orgs)






Hyderabad(commies)

HP writes <<< Watch the Indian movies, the Indian TV, and read the newspapers; they would never show the real India. The poor India they have come to hate, the India that lacks basic civic amenities, a country where 45% of the population still uses Kerosene to light up their evenings. It is the India where bicycles are a prized possession, an India where bullock carts symbolize the rural lifestyle. It is a country, where the countryside in all major states is ruled by dacoit, where cities are controlled by the gangsters >>>

Yes very true. The new mythology has replaced the old. Change the imagery somewhat and replace India with the US in your above paragraph and you will have the world presented according to the US corporate media, official myths and unofficial distractions. That is why I don`t agree with your conclusion that (quote) ``There will be a time when Indians would stop padding their resumes, would stop lying about their qualifications in Interviews, would stop pounding their chest when an Indian gets an H1B visa and will start showing the real India in the movies and on the TV.``(end quote)

Mythology still fluorishes in the US under the economic system of tyranny that the Indians are busy falling over each other trying to emulate, so this mythology with its feel good points is bound to continue within the caste hierarchy allowed to Indians by the American elite.

(Note: I did not read the interacts.)

This one appears to have been written as satire - but it does not fly too well. From this non-writer`s point of view, the trick is to not let your own strong feelings on the person (GWB) get in the way. You have difficulty concealing your contempt for GWB and that mars an otherwise wittily written piece.

I am personally highly fond of GWB. He is a refreshing change from most politicians everywhere - he means what he says and he keeps his words - I know NO Indian politician like that!

This whole idea of the diktat is ridiculous, of course - be it politics or elsewhere. But since when politicians have tried to make sense - they only want to make votes for themselves.

Nobody will ever convince me that the Iraqis were better off under Saddam`s dictatorship. Please remember, GWB is not the one killing civilians - it is being done by the insurgents.

It is a wonderful thing that he is visiting India. I hope it helps foster stronger relationships between the two democracies - which is how it ought to be. There is no element of subordination - like you imply. It is not every day that an American President comes visiting.

It is a beautiful day. Brightened by that smile!

Just look at that beautiful smile!



LOVE THAT G.W.B.!

re:#8 by parthaab
You commie dogs want to do good to the world, why don`t u start with your West (pronounced ``waste`` by Bengalis)Bengal. Calcutta in particular which is a pile of human excrement and badly needs huge foreign invesment. Guess who would be investing. It is not going to be Fidel Castro of cuba. It will have to be western nations, US in particular.
Sridhar

#81, let me post what I posted on the other thread in response to Kulharee`s lips being firmly planted on GWB`s a$$, since it is relevant here in answer to your naat that you are singing for this miserable sob:

...Who attacked a much weaker country, that spent less than one half of one percent of what the US spent on its military, after over a decade of sanctions; who sends other people`s children to their death over fake reasons, and who since the great depression has been the only two term president who has seen a net loss of jobs (and since 60% of the job loss was in manufacture, the new ``service`` jobs cannot match them either in pay or benefits), with an enormous growth of the deficit that future generations will be paying for, even as this money is recycled to the very rich, not to mention the extreme tax breaks to the very rich... Not mentioned so far is the 19% rise in the number of the poor from 2000 to 2005 (compared to a population rise of only 5%) while this ``brave`` sob was in office.

You write: <<< Please remember, GWB is not the one killing civilians - it is being done by the insurgents. >>>

That is like saying AIDS never killed anybody, because people die of common infections caused as a result of AIDS that ruins the body`s defenses. The violence and insurgency is the effect of the unjust war instigated by GWB based on fake pretenses.

You write <<< Nobody will ever convince me that the Iraqis were better off under Saddam`s dictatorship. >>>

Let us ignore the context where the US supported, strengthened and turned the other cheek during his worst atrocities, while resurrecting them decades later for ulterior motive. Let us ignore all of that but look at what is going on in Iraq now. OK, fair enough?

Here is a quote from one of my articles, actually written about the Pakistan earthquake and Western pledges, which you can read here

(Quote)Let us consider Iraq as the most recent example which provides empirical evidence for this claim: even though the U.S. is said to have pumped tens of billions of dollars to ``liberate`` the Iraqi people, social indicators reveal that the Iraqis were better off under Saddam than they are under U.S. occupation: Electricity and water for most of the residents has not been fully restored, unemployment is up (70% unemployed according to a study by Baghdad University, reported by the Toronto Sun 7/31/`05), water and sewage systems are in shambles and widespread breakout of diseases, a real concern (according to the UN only 54% have access to clean water). (See summary health report by Relief Web-July 2005

Child malnutrition under Saddam was 4% while under U.S. occupation it has increased to 8% (according to a study by a Norwegian institute reported by USA Today 9/4/2005). Not mentioned in the above are the findings of the study conducted by researchers at Johns Hopkins University, Columbia University and the Al-Mustansiriya University in Baghdad (reported by CNN, 10/24/`04), which found that the probability of death by violence was 58 times higher in Iraq after the U.S. occupation than it was before the war. Note that saving people from being ``mass graved`` is one of the reasons that is still repeated by the Bush Administration to justify the invasion of Iraq, even though the probability that an Iraqi is going to get killed violently under U.S. occupation is 5800% greater than it was under Saddam. (end quote)

Now please remove that smiley photo before I vomit all over this keyboard. Thank you.

(Note: I went a step further than bjkumar- I did not even fully read the article- after just a few lines I got the hang of it :-))

Come on, President Bush has done many positive things for India, at any rate a lot more than Gen. Musharraf, or the Chinese Communists. The very same people indulging in or justifying violent protests never had an issue with Pakistani establishment coming to India and visiting the Taj. So if we can extend hospitality to them, is it not pure hypocrisy to deny the same to W?

Is democracy not a wonderful thing that any tom dick and harry of any country can protest against the most powerful man in the world?

The jerks are protesting against the fact that this guy has guts to stand up for his country and hit hard those who were trying to harm America. Another major crime is that he is trying to plant a few seeds of democracy in sand countries and that hurts Jihadi pride.

Ms. Versey’s write up against Bush is understandable since Jihad Inc. hates Mr. Bush. She is just serving her masters.

re: this article
Author is right when she says:
(This may seem like impotent rage,...)
Believe me, it is.
(... but it will simmer and if you get close it will burn.)
Don`t know about that. Sitting from here, i see only impotent rage.
It is very simple.
A nation should do what is in its self-interest.
For close to 40 years after India`s independence, India lectured the world on morality while she feted terrorists like Yasser Arafat and Fiedel Castro.
In return, India became the leader of the so called ``third world`` harboring a third rate mindset. Making money was considered a sin while corruption, nepotism grew to huge proportions.
I am glad India is turning her back on that mindset. The newer generation of Indians like USA and are gung-ho about the future of India.
What has Bush to offer India?
The nuclear deal is a big thing. It will make India eligible for using nuclear energy for civilian use and generating the much needed energy efficiently and safely. Already, France, a proven leader in the field, has shown interest. Once the deal is signed, India will be in a different level, strategically, politically and her energy needs will be taken care of. It is not just a coincidence that Saudi King visited India before Bush`s visit, reassuring her that she would not face short term energy crunch. You can read US diplomatic pressure there.

Of course, India would have to compromise. It was K.Sunderji who famously said that in case of nuclear weapons ``less may be more``. In other words, it is not a numbers game. India is known to have fissile material to make about 70 nuclear weapons. Is that not enough to use as a deterrance? The need of the hour is to unleash the real benefit of nuclear power: to generate usable energy thr` technology that nations like France, US have long used successfully (France generates 70% of its energy needs thr` nuclear reactors).

One clue to the fact that this may be the right thing is the way Indian nuclear scientists are throwing a fit. One Tam Bram by name Gopalakrishnan? has gone on record saying India is ahead of US in nuclear research! These people have lead a sheltered life so far and will now be under constant scrutiny. Not a thrilling prospect for anybody!
Signing the nuclear deal is the right thing to do. India should look after her own interest first. It is time she stopped lecturing the world on morality.
Sridhar

re:#16 by HP
There is nothing wrong if the middle class dreams big things. Most of NRIs are from the proverbial ``middle class``. So was Narayana Murthy, the self made millionaire and founder of Infosys, who started out his life in a single apartment.
The reality is that for the first time, India is showing real GDP growth and reduction in poverty. This has been conclusively proven in a number of studies. 20-30 million Indians are coming out of poverty every year. All this happened following liberalisation of the economy. Middle class played a huge role in all this.
India`s poor are not going to disappear overnight but poverty level will be reduced gradually. I posted an article by a leading economist in chowk sometime ago who said that if India continues to grow at present level, her per capital income will surpass that of Thailand in 20 years. This is nothing great but it means India could become a decent middle income group nation by then.
As far as Indian movies are concerned, i have always said Bollywood never makes realistic movies. Of late, it has started pandering to NRIs because that is where it sees big money. Most of blockblusters coming out make profit only outside India, latest eg being the movie ``Rang de Basanti`` making a huge profit (so it seems) in UK. It is not surprising then that Bollywood actors have started courting NRIs. These people regularly come to US, UK performing to live audiences. It is also not surprising that given this situation, most Bollywood movies have started looking poor copies of hollywood.
Sridhar

re: Farzana`s assertion
(``Everybody knows that the nuclear deal won’t be signed``)
I do not think it will be signed during Bush`s visit but both Bush and MMS may sign something that is very substantial and points to the deal being signed in future. A declaration of intent, if u may.
Sridhar

Pardesi: Democracy is a beautiful thing, every Tom Dick and Harry of any country can protest against the most powerful man on earth

masadi: sure, its very ``beautiful`` for the powerful when the protestors reach a few thousands and the corporate elite reach tens of millions in their media propaganda. It is also very beautiful when it requires tens of millions to get elected, after you have sought membership in one of two elite parties.

Pardesi: The jerks are protesting against the fact that this guy has guts to stand up for his country

masadi: What standard are you using while measuring ``guts``. One person has at his command the most lethal weapons and fighting force ever assembled in the history of the human race, and on the other end an opponent whose legs were broken by decades worth or sanctions or some thugs roaming around with ak-47s and world war 2 vintage (pardon my sarcasm) rpgs?

Pardesi: Another major crime is that he is trying to plant a few seeds of democracy in sand countries and that hurts Jihadi pride

masadi: Yes before planting the seeds this gutsy person is preparing the ground by raining down bombs and missiles, destroying the infrastructure and any and all remnants of a civil society. These are precursors for making sure democracy grows. Once planted, survey after survey shows that the Arab masses will detach themselves from the US thereby throwing out their oil corporations, and that ofcourse is exactly what the GWB wants (pardon my sarcasm again), even as he prays 5 times a day to the oil industry.

You may be speaking for the 40%(literacy rate, I think) of the indian populace, while your government may have had the the other 60% pissed of antiglobalization illiterates in mind.

Your government is right to kiss our presidents hiney. If it was not for our generous outsourcing you`d all still be sitting waiting for that big steak to fall out of the sky from a Russian built helicopter manufactured in India.

Furthermore if I remember correctly you old government(which you may have voted for) lost due to their failed ``get the votes from Internet we are hi tech India`` slogan, which only reached a few households. But your current govt represents the majority, and if the majority wants to be treated like cattle why not. Govt by the ppl for the ppl.

Also if you are unhappy you can always opt for a mohajir visa for Pakistan, they dont have similar problems cause they extort money by nabbing bad guys...aka.... terrorists.

#83 Masadi

[...Who attacked a much weaker country, ...]
Since when there has been a requirement that wars must take place between equal size countries? What were the three India Pakistan wars - a love-fest?

You make some references to domestic US economy. I am not on top of the numbers. I do know this though - US economy follows a somewhat cyclical routine - it invariably bounces back over time - no matter who is in charge. Besides, the best judges of whether GWB did a good job domestically are the people of USA - who put him back in his office with a clear margin! The ``deficit`` argument is old stuff, too - it was used even during the time of Ronald Reagan - who remained a darling of the people of this country until he passed away.

[... like saying AIDS never killed anybody, because people die of common infections caused as a result of AIDS that ruins the body`s defenses.]
Let me get this straight - you are comparing Saddam to the immune system of a body? From that logic, I suppose the next thing to do is to get rid of all civilian leaders and start installing dictators to ``boost`` that immune system! There is something highly wrong with your thinking if you justify the mayhem that MUSLIMS are carrying out on innocent civilians - then you come out and blame GWB! From all accounts, US soldiers are among the most professional in the world and have behaved wonderfully under very lousy circumstances! I feel very proud of them. If you think that things are bad in Iraq - just imagine what it would be like if the US pulled out!

[Let us ignore the context where the US supported, strengthened and turned the other cheek during his worst atrocities, while resurrecting them decades later for ulterior motive. Let us ignore all of that but look at what is going on in Iraq now. OK, fair enough?]
The reality is every country with a legitimate leader watches out for its own interests first. There is no evidence that US has supported the atrocity of any one - friend or foe. Whether an active intervention is warranted is our own decision based on what our leaders see as our own national interests - be it Iraq or China or Pakistan or North Korea.

And it is pretty sad that you use the sad Pakistani earthquake event not to reflect on the fragility of life and the importance of trying to do positive things while we have possession of it - but as a pretext to criticize the US - as if the US somehow caused the earthquake!

I do not know much about the statistics that you are providing to ``make`` your case that the average Iraqi was better off during Saddam`s rule than he is now. Because of the insurgency, indeed life is probably quite hard for the average Iraqis. Life anywhere can be very hard if the infrastructure is damaged. Well, war does damage infrastucture. But who is it who has been stopping the infrastucture from being rebuilt? These are insurgents - many of them foreign insurgents. What stops you from criticizing them? I could have sworn that you are judging Muslims and non-Muslims by using different standards.

You should try to get rid of your feelings of hate and look at things from the other side, too.

I personally like GWB very much because of his personal integrity, his ability to follow through on what he speaks, and being a genuinely good person! Such characteristics are seldom seen in politicians.

I like that picture in #81.

re: Bush`s Hyderabad visit
The HITEC City is emblematic of new Hyderabad. The infrastructure and facilities are impressive. One hopes Bush will have time to see this new India.
But, in reality, he is scheduled to visit the famous agricultural university that goes by the name of Acharya N.G.Ranga Agricultural University or ANGRAU for short. US agricultural scientists have had close link working with scientists in that university, giving to India some high yielding varieties of rice and wheat that brought about the Green revolution 3 decades ago.
ANGRAU
(he Acharya N.G. Ranga Agricultural University is considered as the largest in India with an enviable infrastructure of eight teaching campuses having eighteen Colleges, sixty seven research stations including seven Regional Agricultural Research Stations, Six Krishi Vigyan Kendras (Farmer Science Centre), 22 District Agricultural Advisory and Transfer of Technology Centre (DAATTCs), an Extension Education Institute and an Agricultural Information and Communication Centre.)
Sridhar

Farzana:

I read in some magazine in the U.S. that India does not want to sign and commit, unless it knows for certain that Bush will be get the Congress along to vote for the deal. Therefore, Bush would bring back a ``list`` of some kind that the U.S. and India have agreed for the Congress to review and see if it will garner the majority support. With such a low populatiry of Bush, this magazine said that India feels that he may not be able to carry the congress to support, and congress may extract more concessions.

Personally I think, it is a very smart diplomacy on India`s part.

Anil