Adil Mulki March 2, 2006
#15 Posted by Kulharee on March 3, 2006 8:30:57 am
Very in-depth (there’s another term to describe it as well) analysis. Sure, it is all India’s and Jews fault. We can never produce terrorists. Sure, a country where dictatorship is a way of political life is a result of the society in which such morons thrive in.
Let me tell you what is really going on. It’s a joke that when rallies and protests are held over stupid cartoons while there is no protests over real issues (like the yearly Mecca stampede). Why are there no protest over lack of Jobs, lack of basic enmities? Lack of decent affordable healthcare? Lack of literacy rates? Lack of gender equality? Lack of democracy? Treatment of religious minorities? Because, Mullah is well fed and sends his sons to the West for education and healthcare and other peoples’ kids to fight his holy war. That’s why. Mullha and the Dictators are together in screwing the country. Enjoy it while it lasts.
Let me tell you what is really going on. It’s a joke that when rallies and protests are held over stupid cartoons while there is no protests over real issues (like the yearly Mecca stampede). Why are there no protest over lack of Jobs, lack of basic enmities? Lack of decent affordable healthcare? Lack of literacy rates? Lack of gender equality? Lack of democracy? Treatment of religious minorities? Because, Mullah is well fed and sends his sons to the West for education and healthcare and other peoples’ kids to fight his holy war. That’s why. Mullha and the Dictators are together in screwing the country. Enjoy it while it lasts.
#14 Posted by hamidm2 on March 3, 2006 8:26:25 am
how to stop the bombing (and other bad things) ............... a conversation between al-lah and gabby
(as usual, al-lah and his favorite angel gabby are sitting are sitting on cushions of fluffy clouds eating peyote pakoras and sipping date wine made from the famous dates of mecca that gabby collects on his now infrequent trips to the desert …… actually he hasn’t been down there for the past fifteen hundred years – not since he went down to talk to mo of the quraish )
gabby (preening his wings with his beak) : al-lah mian why do you look so morose ?............ what’s with the long face? ............. are you okay – i hope these pakoras are not making you sick; you look kind of peaked; maybe it is the wine – it is almost fifteen hundred years old and I think it is time to brew a fresh batch ........... can I go to mecca .......please, oh, please ...........
al-lah (sighing): gabby, you are such a fool – all you think about is wine and pakoras ........ there are so many bigger things to worry about in all these parallel universes that even i can’t keep track of them ............ by the way which universe is earth on ?
gabby : jesus christ ! you are getting old ! ....... it is on u371a ......... why, what is the matter ?
al-lah: hey ! don’t take my son’s name in vain unless you want a good whipping ...........
gabby (sheepishly): sorry ....... i just worry about you … is there anything i can do ?
al-lah: i need to find out who set off that bomb in karachi – these suicide bombers are giving me a bad name ........... did we order these people to go out and kill and maim in my name ?
gabby (fluttering his wings in exasperation): ............ actually we did !....... look al-lah mian, no offense, but we have had this conversation many times before ............. let me remind you that i told you that we should have reigned in muhammad when he went on the war path against the folks in mecca and khyber and anyone else who didn’t listen to your message .......... i know, i know.......... it was all for a good cause and the bleeding bedouins needed to be dissuaded from burying their daughters and marrying their mothers, but we set a bad precedent ................ i told you to send down a verse or two on brotherly (and sisterly) love and understanding instead of urging mo to go on a holy war path against your enemies ........... bad move – all this would never have happened if you had told his followers that killing was bad, period ..............
al-lah : bad move ? ! .......... my dear gabby, i think you forget that a couple of hundred years earlier i had sent down my own son with a message of love and peace – telling people to turn the other cheek and love their fellow man like a brother …… and do you know what happened ?
gabby: they got the message – at least in san francisco !
al-lah: ha, ha! ......... very funny !....... no they did not … as a matter of fact the imbeciles nailed my kid to a crucifix and then went out to kill and maim for the next thousand years …............remember the inquisition ?...... I don’t remember telling my son to go out and burn people who did not believe in him as their savior ........... actually i don’t even remember telling him that he was the savior - the poor kid could barley take care of himself with the jews clamoring for his blood and that spineless man pontius refusing to stand up to these horrible people ............
gabby: okay, okay........... i get your point ........... but what are we going to do about these mad mullahs going on a rampage, blowing up cars and killing people just because they think you told them it is okay to do so ..........
al-lah (throwing up his arms) : i never said any such thing ......... the verses in the koran were time and instance specific – everyone know that ..........
gabby: no they don’t – only tahmed knows it and nobody listens to him ............
al-lah: who the heck is tahmed – i thought we were not sending down any more prophets .............. have you been talking to people without my permission ?
gabby (looking a little guilty) : you know, i would never do that ........... i know better; i don’t want to end up like cousin iblees – it is hot down there and they only serve vegetarian food ............... tahmed is just one of many sensible people that mo’s followers don’t listen too because you made such a mess out of the book – and may i remind you again that i told you this would happen .........now you have people like masadi and mullah omar and osama who are running away with the message and blowing up people because they think that’s what you want ...........
al-lah (looking tired): so what do we do now ?............. and how come they haven’t caught that rascal osama yet – i thought the americans can see a pimple on a gnat’s behind from fifty miles up in space ...........
gabby: if you want him caught, why don’t you?........... you can do anything you want ...... i don’t have to remind you that you are the big kahuna and omnieverything ..............
al-lah (smiling): don’t be silly – you know we decided a long time ago not to interfere with free will and freedom of choice ............. and besides, i don’t have the time to mess around with one little planet circling one little star among billions and billions of stars in one little galaxy among billions and billions of galaxies .......
gabby (happily munching on a pakora): you sound like carl sagan ..........
al-lah (quizzical) : who the heck is carl sagan? ........ was he a prophet ?........ hey, this peyote is pretty darn good – i think you should go down to mexico and get some more before the dea goes out and sprays the desert and kills this wonderful stuff that I have created – you know, i am tired of people killing what took me billions and billions of years to create .............
gabby (sighing): are we back to the bombing in karachi ......... if you want, we can sent down another prophet to tell these imbeciles to stop it ..........
al-lah: no, no ........ we can’t do that .......... remember the last time we tried to do it with joseph smith and mirza ghulam ahmed ?
gabby : well, the mormons turned out okay even though you sent that slacker moroni instead of me ............
al-lah (looking at gabby with a twinkle in his eye): you were sick, remember? ....... but you are right, the mormons did turn out okay even though they killed poor joe and his brother.........
gabby: aw shucks! ....don’t feel guilty – they are doing fine ........ we gave them a hundred and forty virgins each instead of the usual seventy virgin quota for martyrs ........... al-lah mian, that reminds me, we are running out of virgins .............
al-lah (frowning as if in deep thought): you know, my dear gabby, maybe we should repeal the virgin law …… i think that will cut down on the killing and mayhem ...........
gabby (looking a little under the influence): but how do we do that without sending down another prophet now that you have banned theophanies of all type ...........
al-lah: think, gabby, think ......... all you do is sit around, drink wine and complain ........... we must do something to stop these people from killing each other ......... poor muhammad is feeling really bad about this – he feels that he is responsible, even though i keep on telling him that it is not really his fault – osman is the real culprit for not hiring the right scribes ............ even emma did a better job for joe when that rascal harris ran off with the script ...............
gabby (suddenly brightening up): i know what we can do !........ we can put out a public service announcement on al-jazeerah, geo, ary, indus and al-arabia telling the people that god wants them to stop blowing up things ...........
al-lah (affectionately throwing is arms around gabby): gabby, you are brilliant !............ let’s do it !
#13 Posted by arjun_m on March 3, 2006 8:25:04 am
yup...comrade masadi has it right...there was no bombing..there are no jihadis in pakiland...if you saw pictures of the bombings, that`s because you were influenced by the mind control rays coming out of langley(or is it fort meade?)
Tin foil should solve the problem...
Tin foil should solve the problem...
#12 Posted by masadi on March 3, 2006 7:42:34 am
Mr. ed as you have witnessed these dogs are barking their usual tune. Not only do they not have intelligence enough to see what is really going on, they are not even original in their barking, their antennas are picking up official washington signals that they are repeating almost verbatim, merely because it fits in with their narrow prejudiced world view. A truly pathetic way to spend ones life, don`t you think?
#11 Posted by arjun_m on March 3, 2006 6:46:11 am
#6 by ed on March 3, 2006 5:52am PT
That would be a very naive stance to take. Far more complex dynamics are at work behind such occurances.
Complex dynamics don`t change reality..Which one of the following isn`t true:
1. The jihadis were created, financed, trained and nurtured by the Pakistani army to fight the Indians in Kashmir and claim AFghanistan as part of their strategic depth wet dreams.
2. The Pakistani junta supported the jihadis.Most pakis here would have told you that openly if 9/11 hadn`t sent their love for jihad back into the closet..
None of the groups you listed were created by the Indian state or supported by the Indian public.
Do you want me to post images of a Kashmir jihad collection box in Lahore in Jan?
Complex realities is just a cop-out..The poem still holds true...you created the jihadi frankenstein, abdulsteins if you will...now abdulsteins are kiling you...
That would be a very naive stance to take. Far more complex dynamics are at work behind such occurances.
Complex dynamics don`t change reality..Which one of the following isn`t true:
1. The jihadis were created, financed, trained and nurtured by the Pakistani army to fight the Indians in Kashmir and claim AFghanistan as part of their strategic depth wet dreams.
2. The Pakistani junta supported the jihadis.Most pakis here would have told you that openly if 9/11 hadn`t sent their love for jihad back into the closet..
None of the groups you listed were created by the Indian state or supported by the Indian public.
Do you want me to post images of a Kashmir jihad collection box in Lahore in Jan?
Complex realities is just a cop-out..The poem still holds true...you created the jihadi frankenstein, abdulsteins if you will...now abdulsteins are kiling you...
#10 Posted by pmishra2 on March 3, 2006 6:41:51 am
It is shameful to see the contribution of freedom fighters who have made the ultimate sacrifice reduced to terrorism. This is a despicable example of following western ideas of law and order, and will lead to the destruction of islam.
When a shaheed makes the ultimate sacrifice, as recently happened in Karachi, we must all think about the ``root cause``. What could the frustration be that led this noble muslim to this great act? No one gives up their life without a cause; ignoring this, like the israelis do, is shameful and against islam.
The best bet here is to call in NATO and handover Karachi to them. In this way, a neutral third-party can gently determine the root cause. Maybe there is need for a referendum there? Who knows?
But please appreciate the great contribution the martyr has made. Every time you put money in a charity box, you are supporting these noble acts.
When a shaheed makes the ultimate sacrifice, as recently happened in Karachi, we must all think about the ``root cause``. What could the frustration be that led this noble muslim to this great act? No one gives up their life without a cause; ignoring this, like the israelis do, is shameful and against islam.
The best bet here is to call in NATO and handover Karachi to them. In this way, a neutral third-party can gently determine the root cause. Maybe there is need for a referendum there? Who knows?
But please appreciate the great contribution the martyr has made. Every time you put money in a charity box, you are supporting these noble acts.
#9 Posted by Ed on March 3, 2006 6:27:55 am
Re: # 7
Dear Mohar11,
Societies are often influenced in practical terms by the larger events / storms that surf the globe.
I wrote that:
``The responsibility for the presence of undesirable elements in a society (whether jehadi or non-jehadi) does not NECESSARILY rest with the society itself.``
I never denied that the society can be responsible. However, I do hold the view that the society is not ALWAYS responsible. In any case, it is overly simplistic to play verbal volleyball in such matters without an in-depth and objective analysis.
Moreover, if we accede to your apparant views that societies are responsible for such occurances entirely and that the rest of the world has no influence in such matters, then my dear friend, should we assume that you are stating that the Indian society is RESPONSIBLE for the existence of all of the following??? :
MEGHALAYA :
Hynniewtrep National Liberation Council (HNLC)
People’s Liberation Front of Meghalaya (PLF-M)
TRIPURA:
All Tripura Tiger Force (ATTF)
National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT)
Borok National Council of Tripura (BNCT)
NAGALAND:
National Socialist Council of Nagaland (Isak-Muivah) – NSCN(IM)
National Socialist Council of Nagaland (Khaplang) – NSCN (K)
Naga National Council (Adino) – NNC (Adino)
Revolutionary United Front (RUF)
MIZORAM:
Bru National Liberation Front
ASSAM:
United Liberation Front of Asom (ULFA)
Adivasi Cobra Force (ACF)
Dima Halim Daogah (DHD)
Kamtapur Liberation Organisation (KLO)
MANIPUR:
Kangleipak Communist Party (KCP)
Kanglei Yawol Kanna Lup (KYKL)
Manipur People`s Liberation Front (MPLF)
People`s Liberation Army (PLA)
People`s Revolutionary Party of Kangleipak (PREPAK)
United National Liberation Front (UNLF)
Kuki Liberation Army (KLA)
Kuki National Army (KNA)
Kuki National Front (KNF)
Kuki Revolutionary Army (KRA)
National Socialist Council of Nagaland -- Isak-Muivah (NSCN-IM)
People`s United Liberation Front (PULF)
United Kuki Liberation Front (UKLF)
Zomi Revolutionary Army (ZRA)
.....whew... that was a long list so I omitted a huge chuck for convenience. Moreover, I deliberately omitted the groups/parties pertaining to Punjab and Kashmir, because I know that you would be tempted to assign all responsibility for them to external elements even though you have demostrated your disbelief in the fact that ````The responsibility for the presence of undesirable elements in a society (whether jehadi or non-jehadi) does not NECESSARILY rest with the society itself.``
Wouldn`t it be convenient if everyone had a ``charlie and his aunt....`` to blame and did make good use of them for a change?
Dear Mohar11,
Societies are often influenced in practical terms by the larger events / storms that surf the globe.
I wrote that:
``The responsibility for the presence of undesirable elements in a society (whether jehadi or non-jehadi) does not NECESSARILY rest with the society itself.``
I never denied that the society can be responsible. However, I do hold the view that the society is not ALWAYS responsible. In any case, it is overly simplistic to play verbal volleyball in such matters without an in-depth and objective analysis.
Moreover, if we accede to your apparant views that societies are responsible for such occurances entirely and that the rest of the world has no influence in such matters, then my dear friend, should we assume that you are stating that the Indian society is RESPONSIBLE for the existence of all of the following??? :
MEGHALAYA :
Hynniewtrep National Liberation Council (HNLC)
People’s Liberation Front of Meghalaya (PLF-M)
TRIPURA:
All Tripura Tiger Force (ATTF)
National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT)
Borok National Council of Tripura (BNCT)
NAGALAND:
National Socialist Council of Nagaland (Isak-Muivah) – NSCN(IM)
National Socialist Council of Nagaland (Khaplang) – NSCN (K)
Naga National Council (Adino) – NNC (Adino)
Revolutionary United Front (RUF)
MIZORAM:
Bru National Liberation Front
ASSAM:
United Liberation Front of Asom (ULFA)
Adivasi Cobra Force (ACF)
Dima Halim Daogah (DHD)
Kamtapur Liberation Organisation (KLO)
MANIPUR:
Kangleipak Communist Party (KCP)
Kanglei Yawol Kanna Lup (KYKL)
Manipur People`s Liberation Front (MPLF)
People`s Liberation Army (PLA)
People`s Revolutionary Party of Kangleipak (PREPAK)
United National Liberation Front (UNLF)
Kuki Liberation Army (KLA)
Kuki National Army (KNA)
Kuki National Front (KNF)
Kuki Revolutionary Army (KRA)
National Socialist Council of Nagaland -- Isak-Muivah (NSCN-IM)
People`s United Liberation Front (PULF)
United Kuki Liberation Front (UKLF)
Zomi Revolutionary Army (ZRA)
.....whew... that was a long list so I omitted a huge chuck for convenience. Moreover, I deliberately omitted the groups/parties pertaining to Punjab and Kashmir, because I know that you would be tempted to assign all responsibility for them to external elements even though you have demostrated your disbelief in the fact that ````The responsibility for the presence of undesirable elements in a society (whether jehadi or non-jehadi) does not NECESSARILY rest with the society itself.``
Wouldn`t it be convenient if everyone had a ``charlie and his aunt....`` to blame and did make good use of them for a change?
#8 Posted by iron_mask on March 3, 2006 6:18:10 am
this is the sad thing....for all that os good in Karachi and pakistan, when you get a the following sequence of headlines in a newspaper and this is what I saw just now on the times world news page
Headline 1: US and India set seal on historic nuclear deal
Headline 2: Suicide car bomber kills a US diplomat in Karachi
Now just imagine you are a business leader (a ceo of a company) thinking of investment and growth. The previous evening think `` yep. Pakistan is a nice cheap place for my new investment will check t out in the morning``. And then either over breakfast or while beingdriven to work, you open the newspaper and see these headlines......viola there goes that investment.
Pity really!
But as The Dawn suggests today ``the concept of strategic depth has been turned on its head with the Taliban occupying Miramshah and taking over the govt building``. The sting is still there. It is time to realise the troubles ahead and the problems currently!
Headline 1: US and India set seal on historic nuclear deal
Headline 2: Suicide car bomber kills a US diplomat in Karachi
Now just imagine you are a business leader (a ceo of a company) thinking of investment and growth. The previous evening think `` yep. Pakistan is a nice cheap place for my new investment will check t out in the morning``. And then either over breakfast or while beingdriven to work, you open the newspaper and see these headlines......viola there goes that investment.
Pity really!
But as The Dawn suggests today ``the concept of strategic depth has been turned on its head with the Taliban occupying Miramshah and taking over the govt building``. The sting is still there. It is time to realise the troubles ahead and the problems currently!
#7 Posted by mohar11 on March 3, 2006 6:01:33 am
Re: # 6
[...The responsibility for the presence of undesirable elements in a society (whether jehadi or non-jehadi) does not necessarily rest with the society itself...]
of course not.... Blame it on america, india, jews, hindus, charlie and his aunt....
[...The responsibility for the presence of undesirable elements in a society (whether jehadi or non-jehadi) does not necessarily rest with the society itself...]
of course not.... Blame it on america, india, jews, hindus, charlie and his aunt....
#6 Posted by Ed on March 3, 2006 5:52:29 am
Re: # 5
That would be a very naive stance to take. Far more complex dynamics are at work behind such occurances. The responsibility for the presence of undesirable elements in a society (whether jehadi or non-jehadi) does not necessarily rest with the society itself.
That would be a very naive stance to take. Far more complex dynamics are at work behind such occurances. The responsibility for the presence of undesirable elements in a society (whether jehadi or non-jehadi) does not necessarily rest with the society itself.
#5 Posted by arjun_m on March 3, 2006 5:19:17 am
An Urdu verse comes to mind on this occasion:
An English verse comes to mind..
Roses are red
Violets are blue
The jihadis you created
Are now killing you....
#4 Posted by Ed on March 3, 2006 1:42:30 am
Re: # 3
M. Asadi sahib,
relax... the reference to the mysterious appearance of the poem was just an attempt in sarcasm. As it is, no one had claimed responsibility for the appearance of the poem and nobody at the Ministry of Education had a clue as to where it appeared from - A sign from God, I tell you !!!
M. Asadi sahib,
relax... the reference to the mysterious appearance of the poem was just an attempt in sarcasm. As it is, no one had claimed responsibility for the appearance of the poem and nobody at the Ministry of Education had a clue as to where it appeared from - A sign from God, I tell you !!!
#3 Posted by masadi on March 2, 2006 11:33:56 pm
The author writes <<< In some quarters Mr. Bush is already such a popular figure that a poem entitled “The Leader” praising Mr. Bush and containing his name in a hidden format appeared mysteriously in textbooks for Pakistani school children! >>>
Things just don`t appear ``mysteriously`` in school text books. That was placed in there out of design. Reminds us of the anti-soviet Afghan textbooks that the CIA was funding the University of Nebraska to print in the 1980s. A couple of years back one person on one of these text book boards suggested my article ``Scientific Revelation`` as part of the cirriculum on Islam but the other damn Mullah-minded members shouted it down. Apparently they had no objection to the Bush poem. They compliment each others purpose the Mullahs and the Imperialists. A fine c@ck & bull tale they have spun to keep the world busy as it starves to death.
Things just don`t appear ``mysteriously`` in school text books. That was placed in there out of design. Reminds us of the anti-soviet Afghan textbooks that the CIA was funding the University of Nebraska to print in the 1980s. A couple of years back one person on one of these text book boards suggested my article ``Scientific Revelation`` as part of the cirriculum on Islam but the other damn Mullah-minded members shouted it down. Apparently they had no objection to the Bush poem. They compliment each others purpose the Mullahs and the Imperialists. A fine c@ck & bull tale they have spun to keep the world busy as it starves to death.
#2 Posted by masadi on March 2, 2006 11:32:18 pm
The author writes <<< In some quarters Mr. Bush is already such a popular figure that a poem entitled “The Leader” praising Mr. Bush and containing his name in a hidden format appeared mysteriously in textbooks for Pakistani school children! >>>
Things just don`t appear ``mysteriously`` in school text books. That was placed in there out of design. Reminds us of the anti-soviet Afghan textbooks that the CIA was funding the University of Nebraska to print in the 1980s. A couple of years back one person on one of these text book boards suggested my article ``Scientific Revelation`` as part of the cirriculum on Islam but the other damn Mullah-minded members shouted it down. Apparently they had no objection to the Bush poem. They compliment each others purpose the Mullahs and the Imperialists. A fine cock and bull tale they have spun to keep the world busy as it starves to death.
Things just don`t appear ``mysteriously`` in school text books. That was placed in there out of design. Reminds us of the anti-soviet Afghan textbooks that the CIA was funding the University of Nebraska to print in the 1980s. A couple of years back one person on one of these text book boards suggested my article ``Scientific Revelation`` as part of the cirriculum on Islam but the other damn Mullah-minded members shouted it down. Apparently they had no objection to the Bush poem. They compliment each others purpose the Mullahs and the Imperialists. A fine cock and bull tale they have spun to keep the world busy as it starves to death.
#1 Posted by ahmedmadani on March 2, 2006 10:24:13 pm
One can not pin point who are terrorist but one can speculate.
Indian RAW and Afghan Intelligency can be possible to ``spoil`` bush visit.
BLA , sindhi nationalist, foreign agents or people against Iran/PK/India pipe may be doing. Some terrorist must be doing to damage General .
Indian RAW and Afghan Intelligency can be possible to ``spoil`` bush visit.
BLA , sindhi nationalist, foreign agents or people against Iran/PK/India pipe may be doing. Some terrorist must be doing to damage General .
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