Adil Mulki March 2, 2006
#1 Posted by ahmedmadani on March 2, 2006 10:24:13 pm
One can not pin point who are terrorist but one can speculate.
Indian RAW and Afghan Intelligency can be possible to ``spoil`` bush visit.
BLA , sindhi nationalist, foreign agents or people against Iran/PK/India pipe may be doing. Some terrorist must be doing to damage General .
Indian RAW and Afghan Intelligency can be possible to ``spoil`` bush visit.
BLA , sindhi nationalist, foreign agents or people against Iran/PK/India pipe may be doing. Some terrorist must be doing to damage General .
#2 Posted by masadi on March 2, 2006 11:32:18 pm
The author writes <<< In some quarters Mr. Bush is already such a popular figure that a poem entitled “The Leader” praising Mr. Bush and containing his name in a hidden format appeared mysteriously in textbooks for Pakistani school children! >>>
Things just don`t appear ``mysteriously`` in school text books. That was placed in there out of design. Reminds us of the anti-soviet Afghan textbooks that the CIA was funding the University of Nebraska to print in the 1980s. A couple of years back one person on one of these text book boards suggested my article ``Scientific Revelation`` as part of the cirriculum on Islam but the other damn Mullah-minded members shouted it down. Apparently they had no objection to the Bush poem. They compliment each others purpose the Mullahs and the Imperialists. A fine cock and bull tale they have spun to keep the world busy as it starves to death.
Things just don`t appear ``mysteriously`` in school text books. That was placed in there out of design. Reminds us of the anti-soviet Afghan textbooks that the CIA was funding the University of Nebraska to print in the 1980s. A couple of years back one person on one of these text book boards suggested my article ``Scientific Revelation`` as part of the cirriculum on Islam but the other damn Mullah-minded members shouted it down. Apparently they had no objection to the Bush poem. They compliment each others purpose the Mullahs and the Imperialists. A fine cock and bull tale they have spun to keep the world busy as it starves to death.
#4 Posted by Ed on March 3, 2006 1:42:30 am
Re: # 3
M. Asadi sahib,
relax... the reference to the mysterious appearance of the poem was just an attempt in sarcasm. As it is, no one had claimed responsibility for the appearance of the poem and nobody at the Ministry of Education had a clue as to where it appeared from - A sign from God, I tell you !!!
M. Asadi sahib,
relax... the reference to the mysterious appearance of the poem was just an attempt in sarcasm. As it is, no one had claimed responsibility for the appearance of the poem and nobody at the Ministry of Education had a clue as to where it appeared from - A sign from God, I tell you !!!
#3 Posted by masadi on March 2, 2006 11:33:56 pm
The author writes <<< In some quarters Mr. Bush is already such a popular figure that a poem entitled “The Leader” praising Mr. Bush and containing his name in a hidden format appeared mysteriously in textbooks for Pakistani school children! >>>
Things just don`t appear ``mysteriously`` in school text books. That was placed in there out of design. Reminds us of the anti-soviet Afghan textbooks that the CIA was funding the University of Nebraska to print in the 1980s. A couple of years back one person on one of these text book boards suggested my article ``Scientific Revelation`` as part of the cirriculum on Islam but the other damn Mullah-minded members shouted it down. Apparently they had no objection to the Bush poem. They compliment each others purpose the Mullahs and the Imperialists. A fine c@ck & bull tale they have spun to keep the world busy as it starves to death.
Things just don`t appear ``mysteriously`` in school text books. That was placed in there out of design. Reminds us of the anti-soviet Afghan textbooks that the CIA was funding the University of Nebraska to print in the 1980s. A couple of years back one person on one of these text book boards suggested my article ``Scientific Revelation`` as part of the cirriculum on Islam but the other damn Mullah-minded members shouted it down. Apparently they had no objection to the Bush poem. They compliment each others purpose the Mullahs and the Imperialists. A fine c@ck & bull tale they have spun to keep the world busy as it starves to death.
#9 Posted by Ed on March 3, 2006 6:27:55 am
Re: # 7
Dear Mohar11,
Societies are often influenced in practical terms by the larger events / storms that surf the globe.
I wrote that:
``The responsibility for the presence of undesirable elements in a society (whether jehadi or non-jehadi) does not NECESSARILY rest with the society itself.``
I never denied that the society can be responsible. However, I do hold the view that the society is not ALWAYS responsible. In any case, it is overly simplistic to play verbal volleyball in such matters without an in-depth and objective analysis.
Moreover, if we accede to your apparant views that societies are responsible for such occurances entirely and that the rest of the world has no influence in such matters, then my dear friend, should we assume that you are stating that the Indian society is RESPONSIBLE for the existence of all of the following??? :
MEGHALAYA :
Hynniewtrep National Liberation Council (HNLC)
People’s Liberation Front of Meghalaya (PLF-M)
TRIPURA:
All Tripura Tiger Force (ATTF)
National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT)
Borok National Council of Tripura (BNCT)
NAGALAND:
National Socialist Council of Nagaland (Isak-Muivah) – NSCN(IM)
National Socialist Council of Nagaland (Khaplang) – NSCN (K)
Naga National Council (Adino) – NNC (Adino)
Revolutionary United Front (RUF)
MIZORAM:
Bru National Liberation Front
ASSAM:
United Liberation Front of Asom (ULFA)
Adivasi Cobra Force (ACF)
Dima Halim Daogah (DHD)
Kamtapur Liberation Organisation (KLO)
MANIPUR:
Kangleipak Communist Party (KCP)
Kanglei Yawol Kanna Lup (KYKL)
Manipur People`s Liberation Front (MPLF)
People`s Liberation Army (PLA)
People`s Revolutionary Party of Kangleipak (PREPAK)
United National Liberation Front (UNLF)
Kuki Liberation Army (KLA)
Kuki National Army (KNA)
Kuki National Front (KNF)
Kuki Revolutionary Army (KRA)
National Socialist Council of Nagaland -- Isak-Muivah (NSCN-IM)
People`s United Liberation Front (PULF)
United Kuki Liberation Front (UKLF)
Zomi Revolutionary Army (ZRA)
.....whew... that was a long list so I omitted a huge chuck for convenience. Moreover, I deliberately omitted the groups/parties pertaining to Punjab and Kashmir, because I know that you would be tempted to assign all responsibility for them to external elements even though you have demostrated your disbelief in the fact that ````The responsibility for the presence of undesirable elements in a society (whether jehadi or non-jehadi) does not NECESSARILY rest with the society itself.``
Wouldn`t it be convenient if everyone had a ``charlie and his aunt....`` to blame and did make good use of them for a change?
Dear Mohar11,
Societies are often influenced in practical terms by the larger events / storms that surf the globe.
I wrote that:
``The responsibility for the presence of undesirable elements in a society (whether jehadi or non-jehadi) does not NECESSARILY rest with the society itself.``
I never denied that the society can be responsible. However, I do hold the view that the society is not ALWAYS responsible. In any case, it is overly simplistic to play verbal volleyball in such matters without an in-depth and objective analysis.
Moreover, if we accede to your apparant views that societies are responsible for such occurances entirely and that the rest of the world has no influence in such matters, then my dear friend, should we assume that you are stating that the Indian society is RESPONSIBLE for the existence of all of the following??? :
MEGHALAYA :
Hynniewtrep National Liberation Council (HNLC)
People’s Liberation Front of Meghalaya (PLF-M)
TRIPURA:
All Tripura Tiger Force (ATTF)
National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT)
Borok National Council of Tripura (BNCT)
NAGALAND:
National Socialist Council of Nagaland (Isak-Muivah) – NSCN(IM)
National Socialist Council of Nagaland (Khaplang) – NSCN (K)
Naga National Council (Adino) – NNC (Adino)
Revolutionary United Front (RUF)
MIZORAM:
Bru National Liberation Front
ASSAM:
United Liberation Front of Asom (ULFA)
Adivasi Cobra Force (ACF)
Dima Halim Daogah (DHD)
Kamtapur Liberation Organisation (KLO)
MANIPUR:
Kangleipak Communist Party (KCP)
Kanglei Yawol Kanna Lup (KYKL)
Manipur People`s Liberation Front (MPLF)
People`s Liberation Army (PLA)
People`s Revolutionary Party of Kangleipak (PREPAK)
United National Liberation Front (UNLF)
Kuki Liberation Army (KLA)
Kuki National Army (KNA)
Kuki National Front (KNF)
Kuki Revolutionary Army (KRA)
National Socialist Council of Nagaland -- Isak-Muivah (NSCN-IM)
People`s United Liberation Front (PULF)
United Kuki Liberation Front (UKLF)
Zomi Revolutionary Army (ZRA)
.....whew... that was a long list so I omitted a huge chuck for convenience. Moreover, I deliberately omitted the groups/parties pertaining to Punjab and Kashmir, because I know that you would be tempted to assign all responsibility for them to external elements even though you have demostrated your disbelief in the fact that ````The responsibility for the presence of undesirable elements in a society (whether jehadi or non-jehadi) does not NECESSARILY rest with the society itself.``
Wouldn`t it be convenient if everyone had a ``charlie and his aunt....`` to blame and did make good use of them for a change?
#7 Posted by mohar11 on March 3, 2006 6:01:33 am
Re: # 6
[...The responsibility for the presence of undesirable elements in a society (whether jehadi or non-jehadi) does not necessarily rest with the society itself...]
of course not.... Blame it on america, india, jews, hindus, charlie and his aunt....
[...The responsibility for the presence of undesirable elements in a society (whether jehadi or non-jehadi) does not necessarily rest with the society itself...]
of course not.... Blame it on america, india, jews, hindus, charlie and his aunt....
#6 Posted by Ed on March 3, 2006 5:52:29 am
Re: # 5
That would be a very naive stance to take. Far more complex dynamics are at work behind such occurances. The responsibility for the presence of undesirable elements in a society (whether jehadi or non-jehadi) does not necessarily rest with the society itself.
That would be a very naive stance to take. Far more complex dynamics are at work behind such occurances. The responsibility for the presence of undesirable elements in a society (whether jehadi or non-jehadi) does not necessarily rest with the society itself.
#5 Posted by arjun_m on March 3, 2006 5:19:17 am
An Urdu verse comes to mind on this occasion:
An English verse comes to mind..
Roses are red
Violets are blue
The jihadis you created
Are now killing you....
#8 Posted by iron_mask on March 3, 2006 6:18:10 am
this is the sad thing....for all that os good in Karachi and pakistan, when you get a the following sequence of headlines in a newspaper and this is what I saw just now on the times world news page
Headline 1: US and India set seal on historic nuclear deal
Headline 2: Suicide car bomber kills a US diplomat in Karachi
Now just imagine you are a business leader (a ceo of a company) thinking of investment and growth. The previous evening think `` yep. Pakistan is a nice cheap place for my new investment will check t out in the morning``. And then either over breakfast or while beingdriven to work, you open the newspaper and see these headlines......viola there goes that investment.
Pity really!
But as The Dawn suggests today ``the concept of strategic depth has been turned on its head with the Taliban occupying Miramshah and taking over the govt building``. The sting is still there. It is time to realise the troubles ahead and the problems currently!
Headline 1: US and India set seal on historic nuclear deal
Headline 2: Suicide car bomber kills a US diplomat in Karachi
Now just imagine you are a business leader (a ceo of a company) thinking of investment and growth. The previous evening think `` yep. Pakistan is a nice cheap place for my new investment will check t out in the morning``. And then either over breakfast or while beingdriven to work, you open the newspaper and see these headlines......viola there goes that investment.
Pity really!
But as The Dawn suggests today ``the concept of strategic depth has been turned on its head with the Taliban occupying Miramshah and taking over the govt building``. The sting is still there. It is time to realise the troubles ahead and the problems currently!
#10 Posted by pmishra2 on March 3, 2006 6:41:51 am
It is shameful to see the contribution of freedom fighters who have made the ultimate sacrifice reduced to terrorism. This is a despicable example of following western ideas of law and order, and will lead to the destruction of islam.
When a shaheed makes the ultimate sacrifice, as recently happened in Karachi, we must all think about the ``root cause``. What could the frustration be that led this noble muslim to this great act? No one gives up their life without a cause; ignoring this, like the israelis do, is shameful and against islam.
The best bet here is to call in NATO and handover Karachi to them. In this way, a neutral third-party can gently determine the root cause. Maybe there is need for a referendum there? Who knows?
But please appreciate the great contribution the martyr has made. Every time you put money in a charity box, you are supporting these noble acts.
When a shaheed makes the ultimate sacrifice, as recently happened in Karachi, we must all think about the ``root cause``. What could the frustration be that led this noble muslim to this great act? No one gives up their life without a cause; ignoring this, like the israelis do, is shameful and against islam.
The best bet here is to call in NATO and handover Karachi to them. In this way, a neutral third-party can gently determine the root cause. Maybe there is need for a referendum there? Who knows?
But please appreciate the great contribution the martyr has made. Every time you put money in a charity box, you are supporting these noble acts.
#11 Posted by arjun_m on March 3, 2006 6:46:11 am
#6 by ed on March 3, 2006 5:52am PT
That would be a very naive stance to take. Far more complex dynamics are at work behind such occurances.
Complex dynamics don`t change reality..Which one of the following isn`t true:
1. The jihadis were created, financed, trained and nurtured by the Pakistani army to fight the Indians in Kashmir and claim AFghanistan as part of their strategic depth wet dreams.
2. The Pakistani junta supported the jihadis.Most pakis here would have told you that openly if 9/11 hadn`t sent their love for jihad back into the closet..
None of the groups you listed were created by the Indian state or supported by the Indian public.
Do you want me to post images of a Kashmir jihad collection box in Lahore in Jan?
Complex realities is just a cop-out..The poem still holds true...you created the jihadi frankenstein, abdulsteins if you will...now abdulsteins are kiling you...
That would be a very naive stance to take. Far more complex dynamics are at work behind such occurances.
Complex dynamics don`t change reality..Which one of the following isn`t true:
1. The jihadis were created, financed, trained and nurtured by the Pakistani army to fight the Indians in Kashmir and claim AFghanistan as part of their strategic depth wet dreams.
2. The Pakistani junta supported the jihadis.Most pakis here would have told you that openly if 9/11 hadn`t sent their love for jihad back into the closet..
None of the groups you listed were created by the Indian state or supported by the Indian public.
Do you want me to post images of a Kashmir jihad collection box in Lahore in Jan?
Complex realities is just a cop-out..The poem still holds true...you created the jihadi frankenstein, abdulsteins if you will...now abdulsteins are kiling you...
#12 Posted by masadi on March 3, 2006 7:42:34 am
Mr. ed as you have witnessed these dogs are barking their usual tune. Not only do they not have intelligence enough to see what is really going on, they are not even original in their barking, their antennas are picking up official washington signals that they are repeating almost verbatim, merely because it fits in with their narrow prejudiced world view. A truly pathetic way to spend ones life, don`t you think?
#13 Posted by arjun_m on March 3, 2006 8:25:04 am
yup...comrade masadi has it right...there was no bombing..there are no jihadis in pakiland...if you saw pictures of the bombings, that`s because you were influenced by the mind control rays coming out of langley(or is it fort meade?)
Tin foil should solve the problem...
Tin foil should solve the problem...
#24 Posted by swarrier on March 3, 2006 12:10:32 pm
Re: # 14
hamidm
Classy but ``Georgia on my mind was better``. I think that was you wasn`t it . Corn fed heifers filling blue jeans ... (what a thought).
hamidm
Classy but ``Georgia on my mind was better``. I think that was you wasn`t it . Corn fed heifers filling blue jeans ... (what a thought).
#28 Posted by chaltahai on March 3, 2006 2:30:18 pm
Re: # 14: hamidm2, this deserves special recognition or something...even a cartoon in Denmark. funny
#33 Posted by Behram1 on March 3, 2006 9:02:18 pm
Re: # 14
hamidm2: That was too good. I am still laughing. Thanks.
hamidm2: That was too good. I am still laughing. Thanks.
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