Why is Bush so Keen on a Nuke Deal ?

Ref asli-masanamuthu #4

[If instead the PM could have wrangled a half a million H1B visas in exchange for some IAEA inspection, it would have made a lot of fiscal and common sense.]

Nope. There is no chance that your illiterate brother-in-law is ever going to get a H1B visa. So stop posting crap.

[Prez Bush acknowledged that the deal would require a lot of work on both sides, for Bush to convince Congress, and Singh to convince the Communists (who hold a key 62 seats in the Indian parliament) that the deal is a good one, for both US and India.]

No sweat. Just tell the Commies that by reducing the total number of reactors that can be used for military purposes from the current 22 to just 8, India will be permanently behind China in nuclear capabilities. The Commies will appreciate the logic and support the treaty.

After all, if Muslims can pray in the direction of Mecca, certainly the Commies can pray in the direction of Beijing.

Re: # 56

It is time we hung this goose and stop him from making a spectacle of our faith..................but sir we also need those brave men who would announce like Osama and his deputies do with those shahi farmaans..........FU....we do not think you speak for me....we do not accept all the BS you talk about the clash of faith..................we do not accept your communalizing the world order......................

Then let us hang this man on the streets of Pakistan and tell the world that their Islamic terror is over...and that Bush needs a new enemy...............and that now Bush can stop terrorising the muslims the world over and let them live in peace............

Yes.............that is what WE need to do!!!!

#55 NASAH


you bet that deceitful congenital Liar from Texas is right now telling Mushrraf -- you bring Osama in hand cuffs and we will have the same nuclear agreement with you that we just signed wih our orgasmic friend Dr. Manmohan Singh --

Both of them know that Osama is already dead.


and I assure you the Congress will approve the agreement same way it will approve India`s deal --

Osama can no way affect such a deal with Pakistan.


but if you don`t -- then we will arm India to the teeth with Nukes -- and let the Indians annex Azad Kashmir and part of democratic Sindh and democratic Balochistan that wants to opt out of your crummy army dictatorship......for decidedly democratic India.

All this bonhomie between US and India is to counter China and not Pakistan.



Mr. Dictator -- now its time for you to kill your Golden Goose make a shish-kabob and serve me and Laura in Washington in public before I am thrown into the dustbin of the American Presidential history -- post 2008

--as the worst president of the entire past and future US presidency....

Thats for the history to decide. President Bush will be remembered by many for his courage,lead from the front, an individual decision-maker and simply what is called ``Bushism``.


like yours -- Osama is my only saving grace also -- as `Osama helped me` -- in my reelection -- you must `help` Osama help me AGAIN to get out of the presidential trash can and be rehabilitated in the annals of American history -- before my bloody term ends in 2008...in disgrace.

Nobody in america or in any democracy remembers its past leaders. Nehru and Indira Gandhi, once the dinosaurs of Indian Politics, have been forgotten.


Osama is -- like yours -- MY only SALVATION as well -- enough is enough -- LET`s kill that goddam goose now.....

so Mr. dictator -- either you bring Osama dead or alive -- or I am going to unleash nuclear armed democrat Manmohan Singh -- to put you out of your dictatorial misery -- and liberate Pakistan from your perennial army dictatorship....and

You cant kill a man twice.


.....and make democratic Pakistan a part of democratic India.....

to which Mr. Musharraf said -- but but sir sir we were so tight -- and you yourself said we were so tight....to which Mr. Bush replied -- look Mush -- -- our job pants for us were a little too tight to begin with -- and now as Confirmed Liars -- our pants are also on fire ..

Nobody wants to make democratic or otherwise Pakistan a part of India again.


...so forget about being tight -- will ya..... GO and GET me Osamaaaaaaaaa.....otherwise Manmohan Singh with his nukes is coming to get you....

help help help.....help me me me Osama Osama Osama -- where are you you you hu hu hu....

No point in talking to dead men.

you bet that deceitful congenital Liar from Texas is right now telling Mushrraf -- you bring Osama in hand cuffs and we will have the same nuclear agreement with you that we just signed wih our orgasmic friend Dr. Manmohan Singh --

and I assure you the Congress will approve the agreement same way it will approve India`s deal --

but if you don`t -- then we will arm India to the teeth with Nukes -- and let the Indians annex Azad Kashmir and part of democratic Sindh and democratic Balochistan that wants to opt out of your crummy army dictatorship......for decidedly democratic India.

Mr. Dictator -- now its time for you to kill your Golden Goose make a shish-kabob and serve me and Laura in Washington in public before I am thrown into the dustbin of the American Presidential history -- post 2008

--as the worst president of the entire past and future US presidency....

like yours -- Osama is my only saving grace also -- as `Osama helped me` -- in my reelection -- you must `help` Osama help me AGAIN to get out of the presidential trash can and be rehabilitated in the annals of American history -- before my bloody term ends in 2008...in disgrace.

Osama is -- like yours -- MY only SALVATION as well -- enough is enough -- LET`s kill that goddam goose now.....

so Mr. dictator -- either you bring Osama dead or alive -- or I am going to unleash nuclear armed democrat Manmohan Singh -- to put you out of your dictatorial misery -- and liberate Pakistan from your perennial army dictatorship....and

.....and make democratic Pakistan a part of democratic India.....

to which Mr. Musharraf said -- but but sir sir we were so tight -- and you yourself said we were so tight....to which Mr. Bush replied -- look Mush -- -- our job pants for us were a little too tight to begin with -- and now as Confirmed Liars -- our pants are also on fire ..

...so forget about being tight -- will ya..... GO and GET me Osamaaaaaaaaa.....otherwise Manmohan Singh with his nukes is coming to get you....

help help help.....help me me me Osama Osama Osama -- where are you you you hu hu hu....

Continued from #53

And one more point. The way Prez.Bush has returned from India last evening as a Hero and the general sentiments between the two sides, it will be very-very difficult for the americans not to honour this commitment of the US President to India.

And also, if the Deal is not passed through the US Congress, it will be like giving India on a platter to the Communists/ other Anti-american forces. And the americans know this too well.

#49 RSRIDHAR

[It is a difficult sell, considering a lot of opposition to it in the Congress.]

By what information through informal channels we are getting here, it is certain that the deal will pass through the US Congress. The basic understanding with the Congress and NSG has been reached. Otherwise, Prez.Bush would have never signed the deal in Delhi or most probably he would not have come to India at all, to return empty handed. In fact, he came to India only to ink the deal.

But Bush will have to , on the File, answer many -many questions so that the File is thickened and any future US President does not enter into such agreements with other nations without taking the approval of the US Congress or taking Congress into confidence.

The procedure may take some time in the US with lots of hues and cries and hullagulla in between, but the deal with India will be through at the end of the day.

ahmedmadani #51

`` This all hype by Indians due to silly behaviour. All this is not going to be passed by usa parlment and all is waste.Pakistan will never allow selling control of Nukes. We do not need any help from USA. Already China a brother country is building and will build few 400 MW Plants and china said they do not acre what world sdays as they want to Help Pakistan. Also thanks to Pakistan great scienctit A. Khan all Tech is already achieved. Good luck India, hope they pass and ok in USA parlment. Also China is very unhappy with this deal and will never allow india to have the Nuclear Status they desire. ``

You are right. Nuclear power is not cheap - not the fuel, not the power plants, not the nuclear waste disposal.

The basic problem is that Pakistan does not have uranium to support a 8000 MW civillian power generation program. Someone is going to supply the fuel. China does not have that much uranium to spare.

China cannot do anything if USA, France, UK, Germany and Russia support the deal. I expect Japan, Brazil and South Africa to eventually support Indo-US nuclear accord. They cannot endorse the deal. But they are not going to make any more enemies out of India.

This all hype by Indians due to silly behaviour. All this is not going to be passed by usa parlment and all is waste.Pakistan will never allow selling control of Nukes. We do not need any help from USA. Already China a brother country is building and will build few 400 MW Plants and china said they do not acre what world sdays as they want to Help Pakistan. Also thanks to Pakistan great scienctit A. Khan all Tech is already achieved. Good luck India, hope they pass and ok in USA parlment. Also China is very unhappy with this deal and will never allow india to have the Nuclear Status they desire.

good question -- yes -- ``Why is Bush so Keen on a Nuke Deal ?`` -- why this sudden orgasmic passion for the Nixonian Republican`s `Devious SOB`s`.....

just think of it WHY? --

If Bush is in so much love with Dr. Manmohan Singh`s and his Sonia`s India -- how come the same double crossing Mongoloid OPPOSES so vehemently India`s rightful and overdue -- admission -- to the United Nations Security Council......as the 6th veto bearing permanent member of that exclusive WWII `Big` Five club.....

....why?

just because that Kashmir obsessed Kretin Mushrraf opposes it over his dead body?....come on!

Osama Obsessed Bush is -- playing the easy to please -- hungry for recognition -- yours most obediently -- Nukear Obsessed Gungadin Indians.... against Musharraf`s subterfuge to prevent Americans getting their hands on Osama The Goose -- that has been Laying Golden Eggs -- for Mushrraf and his army -- for the past 5 years,,,,

re: this nuclear deal between India and US
This has to be viewed in a broader context.
consider the following:
1. India did not sign the NPT, so is not legally bound to have her nuclear facilities inspected. India became the nuclear ``pariah`` for years and was in a self-imposed isolaton. But during these years, her scientists managed to build an impressive infrastructure and they are today able to do without international help as far as building nuclear arsenal is concerned.
Recently they demonstrated that capability with FBR. Clearly, in India`s case, NPT regime failed. It could not shake her resolve nor was the punishment effective.
2. Even though India did not sign NPT, she scrupulously avoided proliferating the nuclear technology to other nations (something that cannot be said about Pakistan). In that regard, her credentials are impeccable. US was faced with only 2 choices:
a) punish India by not supplying reactors and technology or
b) find other means of getting India on board.
The first obviously failed. India had chosen thus far not to proliferate because it served her national interest but what if India were to sell the technology to other nations in future. She would not be flouting any rule then except the rule of decency. This must have bothered at least some people in US who were closely following India`s nuclear saga.
Hence, the b) option. Find a way of getting India on board so her nuclear status gets legitimacy and her civilian reactors are open to International inspections. India would of course continue to produce nuclear arsenal from its military reactors but now it is transparent and above board. There is no ambiguity about it.
3. India`s increasing economic clout also means that she will be a major force in Asia along side China. India is a status quo power. Her rise does not threaten US or its Western allies. India is a functional democracy with rule of law, western style legal system, and a huge English speaking population which is increasingly pro-US ( a recent poll showed 70% Indians view US favorably). All this must have factored into the equation when Bush made his first move. A huge democracy in the region literally surrounded by autocratic regimes, dictatorships is a huge stabliizing force.
4. Rise of a belligerant China:
US must be viewing China`s rise with at least some concern if not trepidation. China`s ultranationalism has also meant anti-US feelings among most Chinese. China has huge trade surplus with US and is the manufacturing base for cheap products that pour into US from various factories in China. US economy is dependent on China (and vice versa) in ways that make US sometime look the other way when China violate human rights, IPRs, build huge army and stockpile ICBMs that are nuclear capable and pointing towards US and also, refuse to pin their currency to free market, something that US has been depending for sometime now.
US would like to decrease its dependency on China by leveraging India. This is the reason why it is demanding India open her markets for retail sectors. US would like nothing better than to see Walmart, K-mart base shift to India so that US is not so dependent on china and can be more critical of China in International forums, something that it is wary of doing at present.
Ultimately, it is the rise of China that is bringing the 2 nations together. India seems to want to play the role of stemming the tide of china as it serves her interest in the region also. This nuclear deal just brings India out of her international isolation, a first step in becoming a big player in the region.
The agreement between India and US is being touted as a one-time exception. US President and his colleagues will argue in the Congress that it helps US in decreasing India`s dependence on gas, coal that have detrimental Greenhouse effect and will increase US business with India in that area. It is a difficult sell, considering a lot of opposition to it in the Congress. From what i have seen, it is unlikely that any other country will ever be considered for this kind of a deal. This deal serves a strategic purpose for US. India just happens to fit perfectly into the right slot at the right time.
Sridhar

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Forgot to add ``metaphorically speaking``

Re: # 45
Y`all used to stiff ODE`s? Haven`t touched them since 1987. It was good to hear old terms being bandied about.
Round off errors on 32 bits are terrible when the step reduces.

#43
metaphorically speaking

Re: # 42

I saw the ``stiff`` in your stiff problems on second reading. All is clear now. Good obfuscation.