Why is Bush so Keen on a Nuke Deal ?

Ref sanjay #74

[But he thing he (Bush) said what that he does not oppose Iran-Pakistan-India Gas Pipeline.]

But he won`t let American or European companies sell the compressors needed for the pipeline. Ergo, no pipeline.

#73 Continued--

But he thing he said what that he does not oppose Iran-Pakistan-India Gas Pipeline. What could be possible meaning of this statement??

Can anybody comment on it.

#72 RANJIT

You are probably right. When Prez.Bush left for Pakistan, there were speculations that what he would offer to Pakistan. It was expected that a minimum :-

* Assurance that such a deal will be signed with Pakistan as and when time comes.
* Some words on Kashmir with advantage Pakistan.
* Some goodies, some words of laurels will be offered.

Surprisingly, he did nothing. Speculators believe that this is probably the sign of cooling of relations between Pakistan and the US--which what most of the Pakistanis say ``abandoning of Pakistan``. Or atleast its a sign of cooling off of relations between Musharaff and the US.

All in all, the US may not dump Pakistan altogether, but may be they will design a ``new`` Pakistan-democratic and friendly in the region particularly towards Afganistan and India--the new friends of the US.

But the great thing has been what Prez.Bush has given to India. India now (is seen) to join the western block. That what Prez.Bush refers to as ``world stage`` and will be an important constituent of the western world-which Bush refers to as ``major global power``.

But it is hard won victory. India was courting the US for the past 15 years-- since the time of Narsimha Rao and the case was aggressively pursued by three prime-ministers to reach here.

Re:sanjay#71

[...Do you think that the American Sun has set in Pakistan ?....]

I would say yes. This visit was a complete fiasco for Pakistan. It saw India being crowned the boss of South Asia by Bush. Bush articualted that India and Pakistan are different, Pakistan will not get the same treatment or same goodies like nuclear deal. Pakistan`s plans for major economic breakthrough did not occur either. Also Bush refused to mediate in Kashmir. So all in all, a complete failure for Pakistan.

At this point in time, it is only Musharraf, the corp commanders and a small coterie of people who support the US in Pakistan. I would not be surprised if a coup hapens pretty soon to get rid of Musharraf because most Pakistanis are not happy about the US or Musharraf`s behavior with the US.

To all,

Presidents Bush`s visit to Pakistan is over. The visit has been a big disappoitment for the Pakistanis with no worthwhile announcements and practically a snub over similar Nuclear Deal.

Do you think that the American Sun has set in Pakistan ?.

Think. My views later.

I am not a great fan of nuclear energy. At best it is a necessary evil. I doubt Pakistan lost anything.

But the articles on Bush`s safety in Pakistan and Bush visiting Bin laden territorry are daggers into Pakistan`s image. I hope it is a motivation for Pakistanis to change the direction in which their country is moving.

I want this deal, Bush told PM

March 04, 2006 15:10 IST
Last Updated: March 04, 2006 15:38 IST

It was not diplomatic sweet nothings that President George W Bush whispered to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh at the airport tarmac upon his arrival in New Delhi on Wednesday evening, but even as flashbulbs popped the two leaders were negotiating the nuclear deal.

Ahead of Bush`s arrival, US Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice telephoned the prime minister to complain that the Indian negotiators were making `impossible demands` and pressed for greater flexibility by them. Dr Singh stood firm in backing his team.

As millions watched on television, Bush put his arm around Dr Singh; the two men engaged in an animated chat for several minutes with their principal aides standing nearby. The focus was the unresolved differences between the negotiators.

The US President told Dr Singh, who had made a departure from protocol to receive him, that he never engaged in negotiations.

However, Bush asserted, `I want this deal,` according to the details of the tough, tortuous and down-to-the-wire negotiations that preceded the nuclear agreement a day later.

The deal nearly did not happen but for this last-minute intervention by the US leader, sources involved in the talks said on Saturday.

With this clear directive from their President, the American negotiators engaged in negotiations with their Indian counterparts till about 2 am on Wednesday night-Thursday morning.

Hours later Bush and Dr Singh announced the landmark deal.

During her telephone call to the prime minister, Dr Rice had insisted that New Delhi should accept permanent safeguards of its nuclear facilities to which Dr Singh responded by stating that he would have no problem with that as long as the US assured India perpetual fuel supplies.

The prime minister made it clear to her that he could not negotiate outside his statement to Parliament that only 65 per cent of India`s nuclear facilities would come under international safeguards.
Dr Rice also wanted all future Indian civilian nuclear plants to be placed under international safeguards to which Dr Singh responded by stating that New Delhi had no problem with that as long as it had the right to decide which of the future plants would be declared civilian or strategic.

Finally the US accepted the Indian position, agreeing to permanent supply of fuel and New Delhi`s right to classify its nuclear facilities as civilian or military.

Describing the nuclear agreement as a ``win-win deal``, highly-placed sources in the government said the size and the direction of India`s strategic nuclear programme would be determined by India alone. Fears that the deal will result in capping or constraining nuclear deterrant were unfounded, they said.

#67 damn this new keyboard need to set up the wireless connections ...apologies for the errors typos etc in #67 but you can get the general thrust of the argument.

bongs (various) and others...hey if you guys can do ODE good luck to you. If you can handle the stiff ones better luck to you guys.

The point I was making was this new thing with the US should not have surprised anyone. Here are the reasons

(a) the only nation apart from the top five +germany+japan+Israel - who has mastereed the nuclear cycle is India - and no pakistan has not done and is not capable of doing so in the near future
(b) not only has it mastered the cycle but has also produced a new generation of reactors which is a local design and fabricated locally. Which means the technology it has got IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT from that in the US or the other five mentioned. WHICH MEANS that the NPT IS DEAD IN THE WATER As far as india is concerned Pakistan is not in that position as yet. FOR THE NPT MAKES NO SENSE w.r.t. INDIA. This esentially also means INDIA IS A defacto MEMBER OF THE NUCLEAR SUPPLIERS CLUB - THE GUYS WHO MONITOR NPT
(c) by virtue fo the above, and the fact that it has not proliferated nuclear technology like pakistan has half baked nuclear technology - and this is officially sanctioned nuclear proliferation by Pakistan, also imples that the world can trust India, even if it outside the NPT - Its actions are in line with the NPT`s objectives. And this is not the case with regard to Pakistan

Now this was clear in 1998. It has taken some 7-8 years for matters to come to a head - okay there is a oil crunch which makes Bush situp suddenly (note his State of Union Address).

and hence - bongs and other likes warrioress - my earlier interact. The writing was on the wall since 1998 - if only your esteemed selves loked for it - as they some numerical strategies can predictive ahead of time. It a matter of how you solve those damned DIOPHANTINE equations.

bwahaha...

Depite what the pakis on chowk say, Pakiland DID ask for a nuclear deal

Pakistan not against deal, wants same

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan said on Thursday it was not against a civilian nuclear deal between the United States and India and demanded the same facility for Pakistan.

Bush Says Pakistan Cannot Expect Nuclear Deal Like One With India
By ELISABETH BUMILLER
and CARLOTTA GALL

ISLAMABAD, March 4 -- President Bush made clear today that Pakistan should not expect anytime soon a civilian nuclear agreement like the one the United States reached only days ago with India, and he bluntly said that the two archrivals on the subcontinent cannot be compared to each other.

Mr. Bush said that he and Pakistan’s president, General Pervez Musharraf, had discussed a civilian nuclear program for Pakistan during talks this morning.

“I explained that Pakistan and India are different countries with different needs and different histories,`` Mr. Bush said at a joint outdoor news conference with Mr. Musharraf on the grounds of the presidential palace, Aiwan-e-Sadr. “So as we proceed forward, our strategy will take in effect those well-known differences.``

Bush`s visit to India and Pakistan clearly shows that now India is miles ahead of Pakistan. Period!! In every field, in every respect, India has beaten Pakistan and is the undisputed boss of South Asia. The world led by Bush recognizes this fact. Bush clearly said that US will never give any nuclear technology to Pakistan which means it considers Pakistan to be in a different category. Also Bush will never interfere in Kashmir.

It is time for Pakistan to accept defeat in South Asia and acknowledge Indian supremacy. The race that started in 1947 is now conclusively over. Pakistan needs to join the Indian bandwagon and become an ally of India.

This could be irrelevant but interesting :

http://prisonplanet.tv/articles/july2004/070204suicidebid.htm

Re: # 62 paarthab
[...This could be irrelevant but interesting...]

Yes - just like YOU... you are an irrelevant but interesting creature..... steeped in failed ideologies - can`t see the future even when it stares right in your face...

#57 BALLUKHAN

I think even if you hang one OBL, ten OBL will be born as long as Palestine problem is there.

Israel is a powerful state, its not easy to bring it down to its knees. Some kind of compromise between the two peoples is required. And Muslims should stop thinking that Palestine problem is theirs. The Muslims elsewhere have plenty of their own problems to solve--what can they do for Palestine. Let the Palestine and Israelis solve on their own.

Thats what I can say. But you are the better judge.

Regards.

Ref parthaab #31

[Wonder why `righteous` Bush did nt ask MS why only 9 people have so far been convicted in GUjarat even though 3k people wer killed.]

Because he knows that convicting a mob of 2000 crazed Islamic thugs who set fire to the train is well near impossible. He has proof of that from the Los Angeles (post Rodney King verdict) riots.

Ref asli-masanamuthu #4

[If instead the PM could have wrangled a half a million H1B visas in exchange for some IAEA inspection, it would have made a lot of fiscal and common sense.]

Nope. There is no chance that your illiterate brother-in-law is ever going to get a H1B visa. So stop posting crap.