Why is Bush so Keen on a Nuke Deal ?
nabendu debsharma March 3, 2006
#1 Posted by masadi on March 3, 2006 10:06:18 am
``Big business`` doesn`t have to pressure Bush on India, the Indians are falling all over themselves to the point of selling their mothers to get big business in. The ``big business`` in the US practically ``owns`` congress so there is no trouble there. Bush is courting India as a future bulwark against China. Pakistan due to its size cannot fulfill a similar role as India can against China ( even though the Chinese are going to kick the Indian`s a$$es at will regardless of any US deal), and thus Pakistan doesn`t enjoy equal status with the US regardless of how frequently Musharraf kisses GWB`s behind. The US has always treated Pakistan as a whore, for its own purpose, used and discarded upon need, always giving greater importance to India for its own selfish reasons, in my opinion.
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#2 Posted by arjun_m on March 3, 2006 10:18:19 am
#1 by masadi on March 3, 2006 10:06am PT
``Big business`` doesn`t have to pressure Bush on India, the Indians are falling all over themselves to the point of selling their mothers to get big business in.
Comrade masadi....Isn`t that just sour grapes now that India signed a nuclear deal which isn`t on the table for Pakiland..It`s not like Pakiland doesn`t want the deal either..
Pakistan not against deal, wants same
People who let foreign powers bomb and kill their citizens on their soil without so much as demanding an apology shouldn`t really be talking about selling their mothers...Isn`t selling your mother better than giving her away for free?
The US has always treated Pakistan as a whore,
A whore gets to pick her clients..and she sets her own rates..A condom, on the other hand..
``Big business`` doesn`t have to pressure Bush on India, the Indians are falling all over themselves to the point of selling their mothers to get big business in.
Comrade masadi....Isn`t that just sour grapes now that India signed a nuclear deal which isn`t on the table for Pakiland..It`s not like Pakiland doesn`t want the deal either..
Pakistan not against deal, wants same
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan said on Thursday it was not against a civilian nuclear deal between the United States and India and demanded the same facility for Pakistan.
People who let foreign powers bomb and kill their citizens on their soil without so much as demanding an apology shouldn`t really be talking about selling their mothers...Isn`t selling your mother better than giving her away for free?
The US has always treated Pakistan as a whore,
A whore gets to pick her clients..and she sets her own rates..A condom, on the other hand..
#3 Posted by jang on March 3, 2006 10:33:14 am
the nuke deal was first proposed by india as a way to forward the strategic relationship ahead in concrete terms. there was a general agreement that the indo-us strategic relationship needs to go forward..NATO style alliance was out of the Q, and india was very allergic to anything which openly was posed as anti-china..blackwill comment: the fastest way to empty a drawing room in dilli is to say ``bulwark against china``. this deal was proposed and was accepted as a novel way to move forward strategic alliance without an overt relationship (i.e. like ``non-nato ally`` etc).
dhanda-pani, people-poeple etc is on its own track anyways..what was missing was a strategic relationship.
dhanda-pani, people-poeple etc is on its own track anyways..what was missing was a strategic relationship.
#4 Posted by soysauce on March 3, 2006 10:34:58 am
Actually this whole nucular deal is a mystery to me -why the US is eager to sell & why india is eager to buy. India`s record on hazardous waste is horrendous and nuclear waste will only add to the pollution. Sure, ways of power generation have to be found, but india should be on the leading edge of sustainable power development such as wind, tidal, solar and micro-hydel but instead we are trying to run before we can learn to walk.
On the part of the US, it`s little skin off Bush`s nose. Between now and when the deal is ratified (if it is ratified), the war industry will make a killing selling hi-tech weaponry to india and down the line, it will use india as the bogeyman to sell more of the same to pakistan.
So long as there is a huge technological gap and a desire to own the latest, india will be in the debt of the war industry of the west.
If instead the PM could have wrangled a half a million H1B visas in exchange for some IAEA inspection, it would have made a lot of fiscal and common sense.
On the part of the US, it`s little skin off Bush`s nose. Between now and when the deal is ratified (if it is ratified), the war industry will make a killing selling hi-tech weaponry to india and down the line, it will use india as the bogeyman to sell more of the same to pakistan.
So long as there is a huge technological gap and a desire to own the latest, india will be in the debt of the war industry of the west.
If instead the PM could have wrangled a half a million H1B visas in exchange for some IAEA inspection, it would have made a lot of fiscal and common sense.
#5 Posted by iron_mask on March 3, 2006 10:56:14 am
According to the Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/india/story/0,,1722312,00.html)
Spinning a web for India
Underneath fuzzy talk of shared values, President Bush`s real concern is to hobble a potential rival
world away from its self-declared international war on terror, Washington has spied greater and more potent threats on the horizon. India`s nuclear programme - built in isolation, from scratch, after American-imposed sanctions in the 70s - is such a threat.
Not only has a poverty-stricken country, without outside help, built a nuclear industry, but its scientific establishment has also mastered the technically difficult reprocessing cycle and achieved a series of unique breakthroughs in nuclear technology. India might one day be ``free`` to assemble as large an atomic arsenal as possible and, even more problematic for Washington, end up with a monopoly on an energy source of the future.
By comparison America has not built a nuclear reactor for three decades, since the Three Mile Island scare of the late 1970s. Conscious of being dependent on oil in a time of rising prices, George Bush decided to reactivate the country`s nuclear programme and capture the benefits of the labour of others. It is this that informs American thinking on how to deal with incipient risks to its global dominance, not some fuzzy talk of a special relationship with India built on a sense of shared values.
Spinning a web for India
Underneath fuzzy talk of shared values, President Bush`s real concern is to hobble a potential rival
world away from its self-declared international war on terror, Washington has spied greater and more potent threats on the horizon. India`s nuclear programme - built in isolation, from scratch, after American-imposed sanctions in the 70s - is such a threat.
Not only has a poverty-stricken country, without outside help, built a nuclear industry, but its scientific establishment has also mastered the technically difficult reprocessing cycle and achieved a series of unique breakthroughs in nuclear technology. India might one day be ``free`` to assemble as large an atomic arsenal as possible and, even more problematic for Washington, end up with a monopoly on an energy source of the future.
By comparison America has not built a nuclear reactor for three decades, since the Three Mile Island scare of the late 1970s. Conscious of being dependent on oil in a time of rising prices, George Bush decided to reactivate the country`s nuclear programme and capture the benefits of the labour of others. It is this that informs American thinking on how to deal with incipient risks to its global dominance, not some fuzzy talk of a special relationship with India built on a sense of shared values.
#6 Posted by bongdongs on March 3, 2006 11:15:50 am
#4
If its a mystery to you, then read more and try to understand instead of regurgitating trite arguments(?).
If its a mystery to you, then read more and try to understand instead of regurgitating trite arguments(?).
#7 Posted by parthaab on March 3, 2006 11:24:12 am
I absolutely agree. However much the right wing media in India is jubiliant in allying with the fanatical Bush, for the Americans, after 911 and Guantenamo, its plain economics and need to show itself in the company of respectable nations.
#8 Posted by soysauce on March 3, 2006 11:27:12 am
Bongdongs, the iraq war too is a mystery to me and reading everything I could get my hands on hasn`t helped.
#9 Posted by soysauce on March 3, 2006 11:30:04 am
Ferinstance, what iron_mask (#5) has posted deepens the mystery still. It actually says india may not at all need this deal and that`s why they made the deal.
#10 Posted by KaalChakra on March 3, 2006 11:33:35 am
Presumptuous though it may sound, that is of some concern for the US.
Overall, this is a great deal for the US, and a pretty good one for Indians. India should hope to grow into an economic competitor for the US. There is no reason for the US and India to be in opposing ideological or military `camps.`
Overall, this is a great deal for the US, and a pretty good one for Indians. India should hope to grow into an economic competitor for the US. There is no reason for the US and India to be in opposing ideological or military `camps.`
#10 Posted by Kulharee on March 3, 2006 11:33:37 am
The deal is great on many fronts. Firstly and foremostly, it will ease the dependence on oil for such a robust and fast growing economy. Secondly, it brings two super-powers closer. Bush will soon be in Islamabad; may be Bush and Mush can sign a deal for opening up hog farming in Pakistan and other issues of bilateral importance; including opening up some schools in Pakistan teaching tolerance and respect of other faiths. If I am not mistaken there are no such schools there. And I really and sincerely hope that Bush raises the question of minorities in Pakistan that have always gotten a raw deal by the Mullah run country. I see Bush as the leader of the free world, and I hope I am not disappointed by him. So far I am very proud of him. He is doing one hell of a job. Long live Bush and God bless the United States.
#12 Posted by soysauce on March 3, 2006 11:36:37 am
#10 said Kulharee tongue-in-cheek (which cheek, whose cheek);)
#13 Posted by mohar11 on March 3, 2006 11:38:40 am
soysauce
Nuke deal is hyped a bit - it`s just one tree in the forest, so to speak..... There has been a slew of other commercial deals in the background and there are more to come..... There is also a proposal on the increase on H1B etc.....
The whole thing is supposed to be a big step towards a ``strategic alliance`` - something in line of Nixon-China deal..... This thing seems to be even better than that.....
Nuke deal is hyped a bit - it`s just one tree in the forest, so to speak..... There has been a slew of other commercial deals in the background and there are more to come..... There is also a proposal on the increase on H1B etc.....
The whole thing is supposed to be a big step towards a ``strategic alliance`` - something in line of Nixon-China deal..... This thing seems to be even better than that.....
#14 Posted by Kulharee on March 3, 2006 11:41:16 am
Re: # 12
Soy..when someone is accused of having his head up Bush’s cheeks, after a while one start believing it to be true. I have reached that point. I have nothing to loose.
Soy..when someone is accused of having his head up Bush’s cheeks, after a while one start believing it to be true. I have reached that point. I have nothing to loose.
#15 Posted by bongdongs on March 3, 2006 11:47:02 am
A few brief points, I`ll try to write more later:
1) The impact on the ground will be very minimal for a long time. The civil/miltary seperation will take till 2014. All in all, it will probably enable India to reach the target of 20,000 MW of N-power by 2020, at that point it will represent about 10% of Indian electricity production.
2) It has nothing to do with oil but with gas. Reluctance to build nuclear reactors in Europe and US is leaving them criticaly dependent on gas imports. The US will become increasingly reliant on gas imports (primarily via LNG) as its power industry in extremely gas focussed. UK too is going to be a net gas importer soon with North Sea gas unable to keep up with demand increases. Italy, Spain, India, China, Japan, Korea, US, UK will all be major LNG importers in 10-15 years time.
India`s model is more like N.Korea and Japan where Gas and Nuclear will both play a big role. It will somewhat reduce pressure on LNG supplies.
3) It allows US to some extent to wean India away from ties with Iran, but not to a large extent. The TAP (Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan) pipeline will be pushed vigourosly.
4) India`s desire to keep its fast breeder tech out of IAEA inspection has more to do with commercial and energy security interests than making bombs.
1) The impact on the ground will be very minimal for a long time. The civil/miltary seperation will take till 2014. All in all, it will probably enable India to reach the target of 20,000 MW of N-power by 2020, at that point it will represent about 10% of Indian electricity production.
2) It has nothing to do with oil but with gas. Reluctance to build nuclear reactors in Europe and US is leaving them criticaly dependent on gas imports. The US will become increasingly reliant on gas imports (primarily via LNG) as its power industry in extremely gas focussed. UK too is going to be a net gas importer soon with North Sea gas unable to keep up with demand increases. Italy, Spain, India, China, Japan, Korea, US, UK will all be major LNG importers in 10-15 years time.
India`s model is more like N.Korea and Japan where Gas and Nuclear will both play a big role. It will somewhat reduce pressure on LNG supplies.
3) It allows US to some extent to wean India away from ties with Iran, but not to a large extent. The TAP (Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan) pipeline will be pushed vigourosly.
4) India`s desire to keep its fast breeder tech out of IAEA inspection has more to do with commercial and energy security interests than making bombs.
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