Iran: The Next Stop?

Iran should strike a deal with the West. What are they fighting the West for ? Oil is @ $60 barrel. That should be plenty of cash to finance their economy.

anybody who thinks the Iran war plan will be a copy of the iraq war plan is a fool. The US plan almost certainly is to lead with airstrikes, block Iranian shipping lanes and increase sanctions. Jessica Lynch won`t be driving a truck in Iran anytime soon.

http://www.stopwaroniran.org/petition.shtml

THE LORD OF THE LIES AND COMMANDER IN THIEF

As Commander in Chief of the US Armed Forces, President Bush is face to face with what any commander of men throughout history has always feared the most. He has become known as a liar to the troops he commands. The survey of US troops presently in Iraq is a devastating read. Up and down the chain of command, there must be US officers in despair at what has been revealed.

An astounding 93 percent of the US troops polled believe the occupation of Iraq had nothing whatsoever to do with finding and destroying weapons of mass destruction.
The plain vanilla facts are known and have been known for more than a decade. The CIA has itself told Congress and two Presidents, Mr Clinton and President Bush, that Iraq under Saddam had, in fact, shut down its nuclear weapons program in 1991. Mr Scott Ritter - a former US Marine working under UN auspices for several years in Iraq - stated early, often, and in public that Iraq`s entire WMD program had been terminated totally in 1995, chemical weapons included. Mr Kay, in the last full-scale desperate US attempt to find WMDs, nuclear or otherwise, has reported long ago to Congress that he found none.

Mr Kay had the ultimate advantage because he and his crew of specialists arrived in Iraq after the US Armed Forces had defeated Saddam`s Iraqi forces. Mr Kay had total access and an unlimited budget.

The US Casus Belli was - NEVER - there:

From President Bush and downwards through the political chain of responsibility - everyone LIED. They lied when former Secretary of State Powell stood before the UN Security Council and regaled the world with ``facts`` about weapons in Iraq which were not even there. From Field Marshall von Rumsfeld to the national security advisor, Ms Rice and further down the chain of US political responsibility, they lied. Now, 93 percent of the American troops on the ground in Iraq KNOW that they lied.

Men who voluntarily choose to carry arms for their country by joining a voluntary force like the British or the Australian and now the American force, have something in common. Especially amongst the front line men (those on the fighting line), they don`t join for the pay or the ``job training`` or the perks. They join a company of other men whose respect they can earn and return. At the very central core of a genuine volunteer army - it is all about Truth, Honour and Valour.

Only men who tell the truth can earn respect. Once that truth is known, it becomes a matter of individual and personal Honour to defend it, even at the risk of losing one`s own life. Valour, the absolute individual human peak of courage, is the inner knowledge of an immense sense of innocence gained from knowing what is right and doing it in the near madness of a fire fight. Oliver Cromwell knew this. He proved it when he said: ``Tell men the truth and use them as men``. Wellington said it too: ``Never, ever lie to the men. That is the best way to lose the army.``

What is now happening is tragic. Ninety- three percent of American troops know that the truth is that they have been LIED into a war. They know that the lie has stolen their individual courage and honour from them. The morale of the US Army is at a low point and the officers of the US Army know this. Their hidden despair must be enormous, though they will all try to hide it.

From now on, their non-announced purpose will be to save the force but NOT the Commander in Thief.

I therefore conjecture that the US under President Bush cannot and will not take military action against Iran because the men and women of the US armed forces have woken up to the betrayal they have suffered in Iraq and they DO NOT trust or respect this regime any longer.

...SR

Why should the US take on Iran? The article is not on very solid grounds. If it is oil, then the US gets less than 15% of its consumption from the Middle East sources. If the US wants to be the protector of oil supplies to western European nations then they better cough up the required military might and the costs involved. If it is Israel’s protection, then Israel can do its own job without the US being involved. If it is the regime change then, thank you very much, this regime has done exactly where the western interest wants them to be.

Further, the current administration will not be able to rally the US people support in such an endeavor. People are finally beginning to understand games MNCs play, and they will not participate for the foreseeable future. Politicians are getting the message that global economic forces are dead.

What is given is that under no circumstance Iran would be allowed to become nuclear.

the whole reagion starting with Morocco on the atlantic coast, through the Maghrib, Egypt, onto the levant, and through to pakistan, and whence to the Indonesian Islands is awash with the great unwashed of this earth. Their only rationale for existence is some perceived insult, and the inability to understand that the world has moved and forged way ahead of these mindless zombies.

They are in a daze for they have been made to believe that they are the best and thetrue inheritors of this earth. And when they find this not true - they all seem incapable of solving their problems. The only bright spots this huge arc of misery are Israel, parts of Palestine, Turkey, India, Malaysia

Getting Nuclear weapons will not solve the problem. You need to understand the reality of the world. Nuclear weapons will not save the collective sorry ass of this arc of misery.

engagement with the world and realising their own weaakness is the key. The world owes nothing to this arc of misery, and givena chance will put it down with a strong arm. 6 odd billion on earth is way too much. And given that natural disasters are providing the equilibrium, other means has to be found. And in this this arc of misery is providing the world with an excuse to use any means to restore population equilibrium.

The acquisition of nukes does not automatically translate into anything – especially not enhanced power or prestige – perhaps the situation next door did not dawn upon the Iranians. And countries which want nukes will probably eventually get them – they usually can always find some rationale for themselves – and they have no less claim to it than the Pakistanis do – and they can probably afford them better – and NPT or not makes little difference in those eyes. But I doubt the US is interested in making a move into Iran – the cost/benefit threshold is not easily crossed. And there is always the possibility that the people of Iran can get rid of the theocracy and breathe freedom. The Iranian regime has ill-served its population and it will be a great thing for those oppressed people if US were to get rid of the regime – but unfortunately, I doubt that will happen. The article adds little new information. The author could have perhaps summarized it into a simple sentence like this – ``Iran will not be attacked by the USA because I firmly believe that size does matter!``

The Iran question is not the only one amongst the Muslim thought ... though the most prominent and strong at the moment. Muslims all over are in their delusions of grandeur ...

Like the Shah had a thousand year peacock throne dream of Darius III which failed, Iran now has moved a few notches down and wants to regain the glory of their Sassanid past.

But that`s history. Iran thinks it can fight with oil. It will fail. Oil prices will touch $ 75 and crash when the others increase production. Remember the Oil embargo of 1973 which was much bigger? It can build nuclear weapons, but so what? No one can use them. The capability certainly hasn`t helped Pakistan in the least. I actually don`t know what`s Iran`s beef ... Islam? But that`s failed too .. Shia ideology? That died at Karbala and nails in the coffin driven during the Abbasids. So what else? Ego? That won`t help.

Only answer is integration. Integration with the west since they`re ahead ... and rightly so. They won, and Muslims failed. Period. Iran is wrong and their generation after generation will suffer for that.