Another Life in Danger in Pakistan

Re: # 28 madani
[....Good night everybody....]

Looking at your racist diatribe against Sindhis , it`s no wonder that Sindhis are rising up in revolt...... you guys did exactly the same to bengalis - same racist diatribes - that bengalis are cowards, lazy, ugly, indian-agents.....

It`s poetic justice all around, now that you punjabis,sindhis,mohajirs have started killing each other..... first you guys couldn`t live with hinuds - now guys can`t be live with each other....

So Good Night indeed Madani Mian - as far as future of pakiland is concerned.....

Re: # 27

Everything must be viewed with activities and group associated with beaten up person.
Presently elected person Javed H. is sentenced for long time for saying bad things about army. This is not right what he said is said by famous papers like Dawn/ Jang ( newyork times and washington post of our land). This is wrong is my feeling as he was not trator or saying of breaking of country.
Sindhi`s have big problem and as a group they are backward and whining people and in activity leads to poverty and then name calling games. They are not very bright people and do not think before doing and are surprised by their own stupidity. GM was first to pass pakistan demand in sindhi assembly and welcomed MQM/Indian/Urdus and spread fire against Sindhi hindus . He got he wanted, Sindhi hindus left pakistan and they were replaced by Urdus and they being smart and new how to rule upsurped all hindu properties and Sindhis were left nothing. Indian muslims from Muslim heartlands had vision and they worked with vengence against India and created mini UP and Bihars Sindh. They created wealth, same as IRPians going to usa, UK and making little pakistan in Bradford and replacing lazy stupid white people. No point in blaming people who are smart and industrious. No point in blaming white nice people from england going and developing nice usa and completely destroying so called red Indians as they are well known for drinks and lazy behaviour and just stupid actors in ameriki films.
Sindhis are not advanced people and they are made redindians of Sindh and they should blame themselves. They are nice and docile but politically impotent people. Bhutto was slaughterd , and Mohammad Khan Junjo was kicked by intelligent and smart general Mohammad Zia both prime ministers and Sindhis nothing happened. Being stupid and unintelligent is nice looking but its fetal. Today Karachi and Hyderbad and all major cities in Sindh are in MQM hand and Urdu is Linguafranka not Sindhi. May be retards need reservation in sindh. President can listen to complaints but not whiners.
So sindhis traitors do not deserve sympathy as they are hell bent on demanding autonomy and ``Siye Sindh Crap``. Their actions are symbolic and stupid also like defacing signs showing distances on roads to lahore etc. Some time great L.Khan said is write what is Sindhi culture ? Driving camels and donkeys? ( This may not be true but that is what Sindhi nationalists say). They cowards when they gat chance (just like MQM they slaughtered sindhis) immigrated Indian muslims , just for being urdu speakers. They have bad tendencies to be antipakistani and have addiction of blaming others. You scratch Sindhi he is anti Punjabi at hearts and blames all on Punjabis. Also they get money from India sources and many are funded by Indian govt , like their annual anti Pakistani conference in London, usa etc ( sind congress etc, they honored BJP sindhi MPs from India). Also they pass resolutions there against pakistan habitually and demand seccession from sindh and rais all this in usa. This is not good.
Govt is very right to exile B.Bhutto as should be in Pakistan politics but kept out as insurance. Sindhis will never will get anything like East Pakistan as they are stupid first as they invited troubles from Urdu talkers and when they kicked them they cry and mourn. B.Bhutto(alive) and MQM are great things for Unity Pakistan. As if bhutto is out of politics nationalist can capture PPP in Sindh. And MQM being in charge of Karachi and all major cities Jiye Sindh has no chance. They are depressed and oppressed people but they are not sane. Like they can not compete so the sindhi and punjabi retards started Urban and rural divide to punish smart MQM people.
Any way Govt should kick out this doctor to USA as this kind of things state dept can get involved. Any way I am against unnecessary troubles to anybody but also message should go to people like sindhi fascits like Dr.Magsi and JSQM people to stop breaking pakistan agenda or they will be punished.
Good night everybody.

its also important to remind pakistanis here that mqm unlike these sindi and baluchi criminals never targetted civilians. instead, mqm directed its fire against haqiqi and karachi police. the same cannot be said of the people being supported by retards who run this website.

http://www.dawn.com/2006/03/12/top15.htm

Khetran chieftain accuses govt of wavering against terrorists


QUETTA, March 11: Chief of the Khetran tribe Sardar Abdur Rehman Khetran claimed that the Marri and Bugti insurgents had re-established their camps where areas of the three tribes converged and accused the government of hesitating to deal sternly with saboteurs who were laying landmines.

He said that Friday’s incident had occurred in the Khetran area in Barkhan district and most of the victims were women and children.

...Sardar Khetran, who is also provincial vice-president of the ruling PML, said that the government’s indecisiveness had encouraged terrorists in Dera Bugti and Kohlu to re-emerge and create trouble for pro-government tribesmen.

Victims of Friday’s incident were ethnic Baloch, but the so-called nationalist political groups did not condemn the killing of innocent children and women, he said, adding that their silence had exposed their dubious character.

...Mr Rehman, whose wife is a minister in the Jam Yousuf-led coalition cabinet, rejected the government’s claim about dismantling fugitive camps in Dera Bugti and Kohlu areas and said that he could prove their existence to the media.

The chief of the Khetran tribe warned that if the government failed to take decisive action against terrorists in the Bugti and Marri areas, the pro-government tribesmen in neighbouring districts would be left with no option but to submit to terrorists in view of the government’s helplessness in providing them security.

He urged the government to employ all means at its disposal to eliminate terrorists and ensure the completion of development projects, facilitate the people with provision of amenities and protect the life and property of ordinary citizens.

correction. in my post # 25 i meant to say:

``...bb therefore should NOT have a problem if the sindi criminal elements were accorded the same treatment that was handed out to mqm.``

coincidently, bb very recently had something to say on the operation against mqm:

http://www.dawn.com/2006/03/09/nat3.htm

``...Ms Bhutto said the PPP was committed to establishing the writ of government in the tribal areas as it had established the writ of government in Karachi after the discovery of plans to make Jinnahpur by breaking up Pakistan.``

i am sure people here will agree that whats good for the goose is good for the gander. bb therefore should have a problem if the sindi criminal elements were accorded the same treatment that was handed out to mqm.

excellent.

about time gop taught indian agents like dr. sarki a lesson. and sure its a little ugly. but then, so was the operation launched against mqm by the democratically elected sindi dominated hukumuth of bb.

http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGASA330011996?open&of=ENG-381

``Amnesty International continues to urge the Government of Pakistan to adopt measures to stop the large-scale human rights violations which are regularly reported from Karachi, the capital of Sindh. The organization has received reports of hundreds of cases of unlawful detention, torture, deaths in custody, extrajudicial executions and ``disappearances``, mainly in Karachi, but also in other cities of the province...``

and unlike these mom and pop sindi organizations, mqm had popular support and it had muscle. and yet despite its best efforts, mqm could not do anything to prevent the butt kicking administered by the army. mqm eventually learnt its lesson and now rules the roost in sind. the future unfortunately is not so bright for these sindi criminals esp if the avenue they are using to fight their fight is chowk - a website known to about five mummy-daddy-types in pak.

as to why chowk-type pakistanis and retards like cowasjee would get excited by the action of these sindi criminals while totally ignoring that hr violation against jehadi elements? its because pak liberals are hoping to piggy back on these criminals in their fight against mullahs. i have one one word to say to this: hamas.

#19 HP
(Disclaimer: I know very little about the Sindh national rights movement. So be kind.)

[The Sindh national rights movement has to look beyond creating symbols and take stand on solid political grounds. The movement needs to look in its ranks and find out who the army agents are and why they are always able to sabotage the movement. ....Lets think of making a case against the army and not against the Punjab and the Punjabis alone.]

[Pakistan’s problems are with the army and the army constantly finds allies in Punjab, Sindh, Baluchistan and Sarhad. The nationalist forces must look for allies in those places too. They can’t succeed by just maligning Punjab. They need to come out and make the case against the army itself.]

(1) What is the (by percentage) break-down of the army by Punjabi, Sindhi, etc. Can one even legitimately make the case that the Army is a separate entity from Punjab? Even more important, can one even legitimately make the case that there is anything but a meeting of minds between the people of Punjab and the army - don`t the Punjabis at-large feel that the army consists of their own and clearly support it (I mean when was the last agitation against the army in Punjab)?

(2) How will it help to ``identify`` (and perhaps isolate) what you call the ``agents`` of the army in these movements? Won`t it simply polarize things further?

(3) Who should the ``case`` be made to - to the masses? Are the masses really into such things? Is there even a desire to hear the ``case``? And aren`t well-known high profile political entities already in place to make such a ``case``? (Isn`t Benazir from Sindh?) Why don`t they?

#21 by Mantolives

[...I don`t see the angle....]

Manto, did you ever take into account the possibility that there may not be one other than what is plainly stated! What an utterly pathetic creature you must be to be looking for one.

Etenal S.O.B.`s - by training and (in this case) by temperament! Those lawyers shine again - and again!

Now tell me O Super Son of the Shiniest of Sindhi Soils:

(1) why did not YOU write this article?

(2) now that somebody wrote it, what are YOU going to do about the problem (I mean beyond mouthing a few more of your countless platitudes)? Are you going to start an agitation, go knock on all those barrack doors who perhaps so willingly open up to you (and I will leave the metaphors to everybody`s imagination).

(3) Start a petition drive to bring attention to the cause of these individuals/victims?

Let everybody know. Let everyone see whether you are able to even actually DO some actions, too - or are only into bragging and boasting with hot-air - that trademark of your profession!

Thanks for giving me a category!

First of all before I comment on the article... I must say this ...

I don`t see the angle of Indian fascists like Ramanujan and BJkumar... Perhaps they should be reminded of the incarceration of one Shaikh Abdullah for many many years while the great democratic Indian Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru lied about it to the Indian National Legislature... But this far too pertinent an issue for us to allow it to be hijacked by opportunist Hindu fanatics like the above mentioned.

Dr Sarki and other Sindhi nationalists are the children of the soil... Rasul Bux Palejo and Narejo are in my opinion the TRUE PATRIOTS of not just Sindh province but the complete Sindh civilisation and nation state that is called Pakistan today... Sindhi Nationalist Movement is firmly within the Pakistani federal fold and is based on the 1940`s Lahore Resolution (read Palejo`s writings for example)... Time is ripe for right thinking patriots of Pakistan ... those who love this country and those who antecedents fought for this country ... to rise up and support the Sindhi Nationalist movement...

And I thank HP for continuing to explain the Sindhi nationalist point of view to other Pakistanis and South Asians...

Rozaiba...

Dr Sarki`s incarceration is covered in detail by Ardeshir Cowasjee in his piece today...

``Pakistan’s problems are with the army and the army constantly finds allies in Punjab, Sindh, Baluchistan and Sarhad. The nationalist forces must look for allies in those places too. They can’t succeed by just maligning Punjab. They need to come out and make the case against the army itself. ``

Well said.


Mr. Narejo: The portion about the arrest of Dr. Sarki was too brief. Some background would be good to know.

As Fuziar pointed out that incident happened some umpteen years ago. It was bad but it got plenty of space in the Pakistani press. Why bring that up now?

Aziz Narejo is a great man from Sindh and a stalwart of Sindhi rights movement and I have great respect for him. After having spent a few years in the trenches with the Sindhi rights and the Nationalism movement myself, I think I have a little input that may help some of the readers here.
There was always a problem with the Sindhi nationalist movement and that was its misplaced sloganeering. It seems that my old buddies are still in the same mode.

Mai Mukhataran’s success will not make Mai Jindo a household name. The circumstances are different and I hope my nationalists’ friends stay away from trying to create symbols for rallying around. They really need to sit down and take account of where Sindhi nationalists stand. They took a wrong stand on Kalabagh dam and failed to build up support.

The Sindh national rights movement has to look beyond creating symbols and take stand on solid political grounds. The movement needs to look in its ranks and find out who the army agents are and why they are always able to sabotage the movement. Ajrak, Mai Jindo and Jai Sindh have gone on far too long. Lets think of making a case against the army and not against the Punjab and the Punjabis alone.

Pakistan’s problems are with the army and the army constantly finds allies in Punjab, Sindh, Baluchistan and Sarhad. The nationalist forces must look for allies in those places too. They can’t succeed by just maligning Punjab. They need to come out and make the case against the army itself.


If the army has detained Dr Safdar Sarki, then he should be released and I fully support that demand.

I strongly support Aziz in writing about the injustices and tortures in Sindh by the army and other agencies. I have a number of friends who suffered during the Yahya and Zia regimes. Creating awareness is important.

Mr. Aziz Narejo

Instead of posting nonsense on chowk, please go to Lahore and meet Asma Jehangir. Maybe she`ll help ... even though she`s your Punjabi adversary.

Dear Mr. Aziz Narejo:

Please come to Austin, Texas, and we can start a demonstration in front of the State Capital. We must unite and hold demonstration.

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This is what Cowasjee has written:
http://dawn.com/weekly/cowas/cowas.htm

{Despite our numerous laws and legislations, despite our adherence to habeas corpus, Dr Safdar Sarki of Jeeay Sindh fame remains untraceable. Shortly after he was picked up, his wife circulated a letter via the internet, e-mail, and otherwise : “Arbitrary arrest, torture and disappearance of a Texan, Dr Safdar Sarki, by Pakistani authorities.

“On Friday, Feb. 24, 2006, my husband, Dr.Safdar Sarki, a Texan, was taken away from his temporary Karachi residence by personnel belonging to Pakistan’s intelligence agencies. Dr. Sarki, a US citizen, had been campaigning for secularism and democracy, and specifically for the protection of the rights of ethnic and religious minorities in Pakistan. Witnesses report that Dr. Sarki was severely beaten for about an hour at his apartment by Pakistani security personnel before being blindfolded and moved to an unknown location.

“We the family and other Texan-friends have been trying to determine his whereabouts but all efforts have thus far proved in vain. Anonymous sources have reported that Dr. Sarki is being tortured in the custody of the Pakistani military. However, the Pakistani authorities deny that Dr. Sarki has been arrested. This has caused serious concern for the life of Dr. Sarki, Pakistani authorities having a history of torturing dissidents to death.

“My two sons Illahi (15) and Geanum (10) and I are very concerned about the life and safety of Dr. Sarki and request your office to use all available means to locate him in order to save his life. The extra-judicial detention of a distinguished American human rights campaigner on the eve of Mr. Bush’s visit to Pakistan is a grave insult not only to our president but to all Americans who value liberty and justice for all.

“We have contacted the State Department and the US consulates in Islamabad and Karachi. They are aware of this case. However, so far, no information is available to us. Please contact the U.S. embassy in Islamabad located at Diplomatic Enclave, Ramna 5, Telephone (92-51) 208-0000; Consular section telephone (92-51) 208-2700, fax (92-51) 282-2632, website http://islamabad.usembassy.gov/; contact the U.S. consulate-general in Karachi, located at 8 Abdullah Haroon Road, Karachi;. telephone (92-21) 568-5170 (after hours: 92-21-568-1606), fax (92-21) 568-0496, website http://karachi.usconsulate.gov/.

Contact the Office of Overseas Citizens Services at 1-888-407-4747 (during business hours) or 202-647-5225 (after hours); contact the office of President Bush, who is shortly to visit Pakistan; contact the office of President Musharraf at http://www.presidentofpakistan.gov.pk/ThePresident.aspx.”

Dr Sarki is a citizen of the United States, but does he hold dual nationality? Or is he also a citizen of this country? If he does and is, then there is not much the US State Department or even George W. Bush can do for him as the non-laws of Pakistan will prevail.

If, however, he holds only a passport of the United States which proclaims: “The Secretary of State of the United States of America hereby requests all whom it may concern to permit the citizen/national of the United States named herein to pass without delay or hindrance in case of need to give all lawful aid and protection,” one must wonder just why the secretary of state has not intervened. Is the Sarki operation a joint operation a la Waziristan?

Its considered `hip` to somehow de-grade in Pakistan and arround the world . what happened to Dr.Sarki was right as he was acting against Pakistan(s) intrest

Dear Mr. Narejo:

Suddenly, it appears that you are an inauthentic person. What did you think about when writing this article? Why did you miss out the crucial part that all your concern about this Major has already been taken care of by the Pakistani Army?

So why this sort of shenanigan? I hope that Omar R. Qureishi visits this site and considers your shenanigans seriously. Recently on another board, I was articulating that you are some sort of a ghost that no one knows about you in your city, and today you show up here with this ridiculous article. Do you have any shame?

I am really mad.

Mr Narejo;

I want to put the records straight about the murders committed by Arashd Jameel.

Major Arshad Jameel committed the crime . His motives were personal ; He belonged to that area and used his positon as an Army officer to settle scores, on behalf of someone else. There were a number of civilians from Tando Bahawal area who were accomplices of the Major. Initialy the major succeeded in covering his crime by misguiding the higher headquarters that he had killed know dacoits.

However as soon as the truth was known to the the command, the accountability system in the army which is swift and impartial came into action.

Fifteen army personnel were court-martialled in the case in which nine members of a family were murdered in cold blood in a land dispute at Tando Bahawal in the limits of Husri police station, Jamshoro, Hyderabad. Major Arshad Jamil Awan, the main accused, was awarded death sentence and hanged on 24 oct 1996. The remaining convicts, all from lower ranks, were awarded life imprisonment and to date they are in prison.

Internaly, the Army also severly punished all the officers in the chain of command, who had any kind of authority on Major Arshad. It is a known fact that all these officers which included many Major Generals,Brigadiers and Colonels were sent home unceremoniously.

The crime had nothing to with the Anti Dacoit operations, which the Army was conducting in Sind province at that time on the request of the civilian government of Benazir Bhutto. It was not a pattern the Army was following. It was purely the case of a criminal person who used his official position to commit a crime. He was appropriately dealt and rightly executed.

I do not know what happened to the civilian accused in the case, which were unfortunately being delat by the Civilian courts.


I wonder about the motives of Mr Narejo in spreading false information about the Army. He should have enough moral courage to concede the truth in this case.