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Red Sea Rising

Fahd Raza March 8, 2006

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#81 Posted by OzChick on March 18, 2006 1:12:15 am
Khalid

Let me explain a few things to you. I do not know you personally (thankfully) however it is so obvious that there are issues which you need to address. There is no doubt in my mind that either you had a traumatic childhood or have had these beliefs reinforced as a child by someone or some people in your life.

When we are young, actually from when we are in the womb even, there is what you call sensitive periods. If we experience any trauma, and by trauma i mean, sexual, physical, psychological abuse, death of parents, divorced parents, living in war and the like, neurochemical and neuroanatomical changes occur in the brain. Research has shown and i could send you a list of excellent articles (peer-reviewed) that state the effects of childhood abuse in adulthood. Childhood abuse causes a variety of mental issues ranging from depression, psychosis, borderline personality disorder, OCD and much more.

The good thing is that with the correct help or medication you can be successfully treated (in most cases).

If on the other hand by continually reinforcement you `brainwashed` then it is a little bit more difficilt to rescue yourself from yourself. Again however, i would like to reinforce the idea to you that seeking the help of a psychologist or mental health professional is not negatively stigmatised.
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#80 Posted by OzChick on March 18, 2006 1:11:03 am
Khalid loser

I have had a browse through all your postings and there doesnt appear to be anything new. You are constantly repeating yourself. Are you trying to convince yourself of your views or others?
From a psychological perspective and correct me if i am wrong (yes i am a psychologist) i sense you have quite a few issues which you need to deal with as soon as possible. As i mentioned i have had a browse through your postings and i see two issues. Firstly, i see attention-seeking behaviour. Were you abandoned as a child or were there too many siblings and your parents could not provide you with the attention you require? What happened that has caused you to have such low self esteem and worth? The hatred and resentment clearly depicts internal turmoil? People usually attack what they are threatened of. I honestly think you should find a psychologist/counsellor to talk to. The stigma associated with seeing a psychologist or psychiatrist is not as it used to be. People go to psychologists not only if they have mental issues but also to talk to have someone to listen to them.
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#79 Posted by khalid_ahmad on March 15, 2006 5:47:39 am
Re: # 77

hasanmahmood, Pakistan has had hatred for kafir India long, long before Gujarat or Ayodhya. It is in the Pakistani paternal moghul blood.

But you may want to be reminded that more muslims get killed in Pakistan more routinely in violent fundamentalist attacks than in any other non-muslim country, including India.

The news of sunnis killing shias inside Pakistani mosques is almost as certain and as matter-of-fact as the weather report on TV. Along with the daily temperatures, one can also add a column for the number of shia muslims killed in each Pakistani city on any given Friday.

India on the other hand respects all religions EQUALLY including MUSLIMS such as the ahmadiyas and shias who are treated as second-class citizens in the ISLAMIC republic of Pakistan. Once in a while, wannabe Pakis among Indian muslims get misguided and emboldened by Pakistan try to create problems, but then they learn quickly that India is a far better option for them.
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#78 Posted by khalid_ahmad on March 15, 2006 5:29:56 am
I don`t get this. The author is gloating the fact that the Islamic Republic of Pakistan has become a colony of the Red C. Now the only dispute one can have with the US congressman who said ``Pakistanis will sell their mothers for a dollar`` is: ``Too much. Pakistanis will sell their mothers for half a counterfeit pakistani rupee if it is made in China``.

Is there any sense of national pride left in any Pakistani? Or is the only sense of having a free country is so that Pakistan can somehow destroy India? The quality of madarassa education, and particularly the knowledge of international history imparted in Pakistan is very evident from this article. Shameful, and worthy of pity!
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#77 Posted by HasanMahmood on March 14, 2006 7:42:47 am
Re: # 71
Ho wcan you expect Pakistan to be friends with India after what has happened in Gujrat or what BJP has done elsewhere. The peace cannot be reached until all the fanatic in India are forced to abandon their so-called anti-Pakistan and anti-muslim mantra. Instead of pointing towards the jihai elements in Pakistan look at the fanatics in your own backyard. You will be surprised by what you will find out...
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#76 Posted by fahdaliraza on March 14, 2006 2:31:39 am
Thank you very much for reading my article and for your criticism. I am looking forward to more discussion in order to guide me towards other ideas.

Best wishes,

Fahd
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#75 Posted by harish_hyd on March 13, 2006 11:34:04 pm
#66 by zeemax

[HaHa .. no one is taking into account the emerging state of Talibanistan being carved out from the already independant Qabailistan of North/South Waziristan ... God .. I hope they agree on some other name instead of another `istan`.]

Yaar what can I say except that ``yeh to hona hi tha``. Jinnah`s divisive ideology will perpetuate itself in Pakistan to the extent that the division will go on till no more of it can take place.
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#74 Posted by harish_hyd on March 12, 2006 11:12:11 pm
#73 by ranjit

[Dont Pakistanis still have the same level of lust for Kashmir? Kashmir is a national obsession for Pakistan as was evident on the recent Kashmir day celebrations.]

Bhai Ranjit, going by Yasser mian`s post on the Dost-Mittar board, one would believe that Indians are being brainwashed into believing that the Jihadi head-honchos (Hafiz Mohammed Saeed, Syed Salahuddin, and Maulana Masood Azhar) are in Pakistan, where as they probably are in Varanasi on a sight-seeing trip.
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#73 Posted by Ranjit on March 12, 2006 1:28:40 pm
Re:kaptain#72

[..the opposite of this is true..]

Really? Have I said anything wrong about Hamid Gul, Shireez Mazari and Naseem Zehra?

Is it not true that Prof. Hafeez Saeed of Lashkar-e-Toiba openly operates in Lahore and Muridke? Didnt his people conduct major earthquake relief in Azad Kashmir? Isnt Jaish-e-Mohamad chief Maulana Masood Azhar roaming around in Pakistan? Isnt the United Jehad Council with their chief Syed Salahuddin operating in Azad Kashmir to send militants into Kashmir?

Dont Pakistanis still have the same level of lust for Kashmir? Kashmir is a national obsession for Pakistan as was evident on the recent Kashmir day celebrations.
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#72 Posted by kaptain on March 12, 2006 4:03:37 am
Re: # 71-the opposite of this is true..
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#71 Posted by Ranjit on March 11, 2006 3:36:05 pm
Re:rsridhar#69

Thanks for those URLs. These are the videos that the Indian media should play and convince our leftists and commies as well as Washington about the perpetual terrorist threat that comes from Pakistan.

Gen. Hamid Gul is a certified lunatic. He was the architect of the entire Taliban movement. However, he is not an isolated individual. He has a strong influence on the Pakistani establishment and their strategic thinking. If you see the top think-tank people in Islamabad like Shireen Mazari (who was Director General of the pak government strategy institute), Naseem Zehra etc., they are not too far in their thought process from Hamid Gul.

It is because of people like this that India must be very cautious. Musharraf is peddling self-governance and demilitarization steps in Kashmir. These are actually tactical steps to somehow remove India from Kashmir. As soon as India loosens its grip and removes the army, Pak will send in millions of jihadies to de facto take over Kashmir. Once you withdraw, it will be very difficult to go back again, undo the self-governance and reestablish military writ. Immediately the human rights people and the leftists will scream bloody murder. The US and UN will put pressure on India via the commerical ties and India will have to back off. That will effectively mean the surrender of Kashmir in a de facto manner, even though its de jure status will be ambiguous. Basically we would lose it. That is the objective of the Pak establishment.

The key thing for India to understand is that the Pak offers on Kashmir are NOT coming from a genuine change in heart at any level. It is coming as a cunning manouver to accomplish what it cannot do openly on the battlefield. Pakis know that the US will not let them disturb the status quo by force. They also know that they are weaker country in terms of economic and military might. Their only hope is if India makes a foolish mistake and disturbs the status quo by itself out of misplaced hopes for friendship. Indian history is littered with such examples for centuries. Each time Indians have snatched defeat from the jaws of victory by giving away their advantage, collaborating with the enemy, letting the enemy go without paying any price etc. Typical hindu weakness and lack of killer instinct. That is what Pakistan wants to exploit in Kashmir now.

I agree with you that genuine peace is not possible with Pakistan unless it truly eliminates the indoctrination that it has created for the past 58 years. The Pak establishment has to completely eliminate all traces of Lashkar-e-Toiba, Jaish-e-Muhammad, United Jehad Council etc. We see Prof. Hafeez Saeed of LeT openly inciting people in Lahore and recruiting among earthquake victims. As long as such things go on, it shows Pakistan`s real feelings towards India. Hence India must not budge an inch on Kashmir. No harm in having inconclusive meetings and cricket series but thats all there should be to it.
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#70 Posted by rsridhar on March 11, 2006 9:39:42 am
re: Ahmad Madani`s post
(We have right to have Kashmir NATURALLY as being muslim nation as conclusion of british India and begining of Muslim Supremacy ( Mughal) and carrying out legacy in our capacity.)
I am sure u are not feeling well. Otherwise u will not say these things.
Yes, Kashmir should have gone to Pakistan 50 years ago if Pak had not decided to take matters into its own hands and send Pathans and Army men dressed as Mujahideens to conquer Kashmir valley. That forced the Maharaja to secede to India.
Kashmir was ruled by the Maharaja then as your country is ruled by a dictator today but with a difference. The maharaja owned the real estate and there was no concept of democracy then. He pretty much decided what to do with his kingdom and he chose to throw his lot with India. All this is part of history, well documented. You may apply your own spin to it but that does not change facts. Kashmir acceded to India legally.
Today, the ground reality has changed. A number of mock polls in the India`s Kashmir has shown people are not interested in joining Pakistan. They also seem not interested remaining with India but that can change with time.
(But first abandoning came with General saying UNO resolution has no relevance and ceasefire when our enemies built razorwire fence which was beneficial to some extent. Now he is talking of abandoning Kashmir and if it is so let elected members debate and let it be democratic decison , he just can not decide himself this central problem.)
India wants democracy in Pakistan because Indian politicians believe a deal can be made with elected leader of Pakistan. It will not be to Pak`s satisfaction but it will be a deal and will solve the problem once and for all. It is the Pak`s army brass which seems so hellbent on solving Kashmir to its own satisfaction.

(And now still war is going out against india as they are instigating problems in Balochistan and RAW and afghan Agencies are working in tendom to destroy pipelines, railways and electric towers....)
I am not sure if India is behind all this but what did Pak expect. That India will keep quietly watching as terrorists from your side cause kill innocent people with impunity. A state has to react to a situation. That is what India may be doing.
I suggest u take some time off all this and give yourself a little rest. India and Pak can be friends if Pak wants to. The big question is: does it?
Sridhar
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#69 Posted by rsridhar on March 11, 2006 9:24:02 am
re:#53 by ranjit
Pakistan is an indoctrinated state. Its very basis of existence is that it is Islamic and different from India. Therefore, it has to constanly prove (by deception of course) that it is somehow doing better than India. The reality is that it has failed in every aspect. Still the charade goes on at highest levels.
Go to the following Urls to view what some of the powerful elite, journalists have to say about Indo-Pak relations. This was a conference that happened in 2004 with the blessings of the ruling elite.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6595690373838389088
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5465541632953291285
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4231379743367403281&q=Pakistan
Go the end of second and beginning of third series where ex ISS chief Hamid Gul talks about Indo Pak relations. The guy sounds like a nutcase but look at the audience! All madrassa crowd.
It becomes clear that Pak has to be decisively defeated. Perhaps even dismembered. 1971 does not seem to have done any good. The Paki mullahs and the Army elite live in a different world, a world of illusion where they are convinced somehow India will fall. No doubt they are cowards. I did not see even one person in that seminar advocate a partnership with India and gain economically. It was all about how Hindu India is forging ahead and how pakis can stop that.
Sridhar
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#68 Posted by Ramanujan on March 11, 2006 9:19:30 am
I think this ahmedmadani guy is priceless. Sometimes he makes me laugh so hard that I cannot breathe for a few minutes. I think he is a Paki national treasure. And he is absolutely transparent - so you can see what Pakistanis really think.

Thank you ahmedmadani saab. Please post your stuff more frequently. You are more valuable than you know.


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#67 Posted by ahmedmadani on March 11, 2006 9:10:10 am
Recently things are not going right is my feeling. President should consult his advisors and review all options. Recently his interview was very painful to say the least. In the start after take over he was dead right about relationships with India but now he appears not steady fast and not correct. It is sad to see if he is getting ready to say good bye to heroic struggle on eastern front/ India and more getting involved in western front against terrorists and loosing sense. As army chief when he says no matching of arms with India is wrong. As India has increased army expense by 10%, China went ahead by 25 billion dollars only we are loosers as we are not keeping pace with increases. Status quo is bad on Kashmir front it can be worst in future if present trend continues. First he was right when he started activity in Kargil war but was forced to abandon victory due to intimidation of Prime Minister by dirty man Clinton who is lier and wife cheater and still we welcome him. Then he continued struggle in other means/ 1000 cuts was correct policy. But first abandoning came with General saying UNO resolution has no relevance and ceasefire when our enemies built razorwire fence which was beneficial to some extent. Now he is talking of abandoning Kashmir and if it is so let elected members debate and let it be democratic decison , he just can not decide himself this central problem. The struggle started under QAMA Jinnah and he has no right just to decide himself and windup and go home. That option is not there as it will be total idealogical defeat and our not standing to princiles of Pakistan. We have right to have Kashmir NATURALLY as being muslim nation as conclusion of british India and begining of Muslim Supremacy ( Mughal) and carrying out legacy in our capacity. If it is decided to change course it should be done after 2007 elections and its not far it should be decided by national leaders than army chief. Whatever decision even bitter must be taken by people and then it will not put burden on future leaders. After defeat of Ottaman Empire Turkland accepted defeat and went on its business without burden of empire and is now part of Europe and soon will be EU member. Let elected members decide to just walk away from Kashmir , after all too much is spent on this front. Loss of sovernity, breakup of country are directly related to Kashmir. And now still war is going out against india as they are instigating problems in Balochistan and RAW and afghan Agencies are working in tendom to destroy pipelines, railways and electric towers. It can not go on indefinitely for next 50 years as that can lead to bifurcation of country. If we have otherwise decision general need to country on war footing and increase taxes and put 10% bonus taxes for war. We can won war if we want , we have all things needed to that happen but sacrafice will be needed.
Hope this war of 58 years stops for ever either way but hope no war, no peace policy.
Good night.
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#66 Posted by zeemax on March 11, 2006 8:38:50 am
HaHa .. no one is taking into account the emerging state of Talibanistan being carved out from the already independant Qabailistan of North/South Waziristan ... God .. I hope they agree on some other name instead of another `istan`.
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