Varanasi Explodes

#533 by Mantolives

[Do you call your mother and father ``chutiya`` as well? Just wondering... if this was a term of affection.]

No I don`t, but I`ll surely call your mom and dad the same for having given birth to one like you.

[While you were busy digging up posts I was having a very nice lunch at a very high society place... where someone like you probably wouldn`t even land a job as a waiter.]

When someone projects himself the way you do, you know there`s something lacking. Probably self-esteem. Get help Yasser, this mine-is-bigger-than-yours talk doesn`t impress me much.

Wasn`t it hamzaad, who had these beautiful and apt words to describe your ways?

``The truth is manto, if born in India, would have been sucking Nehru`s nuts. If a non-qadiyani, then some mullah sack. This is called ghulaamana zehniyat and has no other purpose than the sheer pleasure of sucking.``

Harish:

Is a person’s religious affiliation really so significant that you have to obsess deciphering the reasons for their chosen sect? Gauging from this, it seems you lead a really dull life.

ram beta (i take it you didnt like me calling you that but i think i`ll call you that anyway) since your chowk`s resident expert on the US media i would take with a pinch of salt anything you tell me about it -- in any case the talk shows have a huge following and their influence is far disproportionate to their numbers, esp compared to the mainstream print media which morons like you think is dominated by liberals --

since your a gung ho rightwinger yourself, you will think anything to the left of your political/ideological paki-hating/rss-loving philsophy is leftie but that doesnt make it leftwing - but in any case this discussion or debate is beyond you since you have switched from giving me any substantial arguments to namecalling and repeatedly insisting (as i have noticed you do with others) that you will win this argument -- btw what happened in your childhood ram beta -- were you a perpetual victim of bullies who made for an unbeable childhood and hence the repeated assertion that you will win all arguments because you want to prove everyone else wrong?

ram beta said: ``Idiots like you will always be unable to win any kind of debates with people like me. That`s just the way it is.`` -- delusions of grandeur ram beta -- ram beta no one wins an argument just because they say so beta --


ram beta i couldnt give a rat`s asss whether a moron like you were biased or not - but just thought of pointing that out to you since morons tend to disagree with people who show them the mirror -- again, as for you disliking or despising any other religion or faith, i couldnt give a fu k but you know in a debate you would be unable to plead a case because your presumptions are biased and prejudiced --


and ram beta like i said im not all that religious at all -- but i could easily point out the glaring consistencies in a religion like hinduism and its overt references to caste and historical subjugation of the shudras and role of women in hinduism (ram-sita, being a good sati savitri) but i won`t want to get into that debate because seeing your own double standards in this would be pretty much beyond a moron such as yourself -- in any case u needn`t sound so apologetic about despising islam ram beta

Harish,

``abay chutiye``

Do you call your mother and father ``chutiya`` as well? Just wondering... if this was a term of affection.


While you were busy digging up posts I was having a very nice lunch at a very high society place... where someone like you probably wouldn`t even land a job as a waiter.

Harish hyd...

Who are you fooling here?

I am asking you for evidence where I claimed to convert from ``Ahmadism`` to ``Ismailism`` ... You haven`t produced anything to show that I converted out of Ahmadiism... So if I have converted to Ismailism it must be from the mainstream sunnism ? no?

Does it make sense then that I would convert to Ismailism to be more acceptable in Sunni Islamic Pakistan ?

The reason why you`ve taken this line of personal abuse against me and questioning my intentions is simple: You can`t defend that naked casteist racist and perverted Hindu fundamentalist bigoted freak that Gandhi has been shown to be.

#529 by Mantolives

[And yet two hours later NO such post.]

Abay Chutiye, when you can take 2 hours to absorb the shock of being exposed, surely I can take my own sweet time no?

#528 by Mantolives

[You bring up the issue of my Ismaili faith as an evidence to prove that I am converting because I was ashamed of being Ahmadi- something I have never claimed to be nor have I been. So while I might have used the word ``conversion`` it does not remotely mean any thing the way you are taking... and suppose I have ... what does that matter to you?]

Dear Yasser, the Internet does not allow one to lie and then get away with it, unlike in life where you can say a thousand lies and still get away. You asked for evidence, I provided it. I clearly remember you claiming that you converted because you found the Ahmadi faith very narrow, rigid, and in-your-face (not the exact words). Surely, I will get hold of that post when I can.

`what does that matter to you` is a the best way you can use to bulldoze an argument. You cannot argue with honesty and logic to save your life. Like I said yesterday, you`re so much better when you talk straight. It is when you try to provide dishonest justifications that you are thoroughly exposed as a charlatan disguised as a progressive, liberal and forward-looking Paki. Jinnah tried to do the same, but in the end, his real nature got the better of him and he was exposed for the Islamic fanatic that he was.

[Check your logic though... in order to be more acceptable in sunni Islamic Pakistan (your words not mine) I am converting to Shiite Ismailism at a time when every Mullah and his mother in law is up in arms against Ismailis for starting a modern educational system that challenges their stranglehold...]

But then, Ismailis have always been treated better than Ahmadis have been. Ask sattar2, he is an Ahmadi. Ismailis and their mosques have never been attacked like Ahmadis and their mosques have been (although you can never be sure it will remain the same, what with the divisive ideology that was promoted by you-know-who having seeped into the Paki psyche), so are we trying to be too clever by half here?

[With logic like that... no wonder you have to dig for slip ups ... and what is referred to as ``legislative omission``.]

Aww, we all know you are a liar..er lawyer, so no need to demonstrate your knowledge of legalese. And BTW, a slip up is something that happens only once. You`ve given reasons why you converted, so it is not called a slip-up. Once again, you`re caught with your pants down. Give it up dear Yasser.

PS:

``I am trying to find the post where you clearly mentioned that you converted because you found Ahmadis were too rigid and in-your-face. Wait on!``

And yet two hours later NO such post.

Why?

Because I`ve been very clear all through out- I was NEVER an Ahmadi because their rigid almost wahabi Islamic beliefs were never too attractive for me. Once again you`ve fallen flat on your face. Because instead of arguing about issues here you are trying to twist incidental facts to my existence.

So continue to make a fool out of yourself ... because quite clearly you can`t defend that racist, casteist bizarro freak i.e. Gandhi... so might as well try to silence people by resorting to personal attack, abuse and intimidation. Its not working...

Harish hyd...

Dr lokraj made plain the facts about Gandhi`s intervention. You haven`t been able to answer that.

Your problem dear boy is that like that you imagine yourself to be clever by half. You bring up the issue of my Ismaili faith as an evidence to prove that I am converting because I was ashamed of being Ahmadi- something I have never claimed to be nor have I been. So while I might have used the word ``conversion`` it does not remotely mean any thing the way you are taking... and suppose I have ... what does that matter to you?

Check your logic though... in order to be more acceptable in sunni Islamic Pakistan (your words not mine) I am converting to Shiite Ismailism at a time when every Mullah and his mother in law is up in arms against Ismailis for starting a modern educational system that challenges their stranglehold...

With logic like that... no wonder you have to dig for slip ups ... and what is referred to as ``legislative omission``.


-YLH

Re: #523

Omar my boy,

Check your enthusiasm and read what you are posting. AM/FM radio being right wing does not make the American media right wing.

Idiots like you will always be unable to win any kind of debates with people like me. That`s just the way it is.

You are correct when you say that I despise Islam. I do. Look at my previous posts to find out why.

[-- now without indulging in polemics if you could please, try and argue using reason and logic, that is if you know what these two are ]

OKay, here`s reason and logic:

I despise a religion started by a pedophile, mass murderer and someone who forced sex on slavewomen.

You think that makes me biased.

I think that makes me a decent and reasonable person.

Think it over, son. You`ll get it one day.

#524 by Mantolives

[Please explain to me where I have ``changed`` my faith. 10 points to you if you answer that question.]

Sure Yasser, my pleasure. Here is one of your own posts where you admitted as much. This is from your own board (Looking for a New Islamic Fiqh)

#6 by Mantolives on December 7, 2005 7:27am PT
PS: I wrote this article before I converted to Ismailism... in September.

Before you try to wriggle outta this one, when there is a `to` there is a `from` as well, even if it is not mentioned. I am looking for another post where you clearly mentioned that you converted because you found Ahmadis were too rigid and in-your-face. Wait on!

#520 by Ramanujan

[Remember, once you lose credibility, everyone on Chowk will know that you lie to make your points.]

As if he had any credibility to begin with. Just to give you an example, he was vehemently arguing that ONLY Jinnah argued with the British to save Bhagat Singh`s life. I provided Lord Irwin`s own words in which he says Gandhi did plead with him for Bhagat Singh. Once it was proved that mian Yasser had lied, he switched over quickly and began questioning Gandhi`s sincerity. Some people are simply beyond it Ajeya.

Harish...

For all your noise about reading comprehension ... here we have you proving that you can`t read simple things let alone understand a complex issue.

Please explain to me where I have ``changed`` my faith. 10 points to you if you answer that question. How is someone who is not an Ahmadi/Wahabi/Sunni to begin with changing his views by simply associating with a sect that best mirrors his own views ?

I am very confident about where I stand theologically and spiritually. My decision to associate with the Ismaili sect is direct result of that and at a time when it was under attack. Human beings are not robots and people usually have complex motives of doing something.

Why don`t you just admit that you wanted to start a personal attack against me given that you`ve never had any argument left?

ramanujan said: ``Fox news is the sole exception on TV. But AM/FM radio is definitely far more right-wing. And increasingly so, thank god. ``

haha -- abey your argument was that the US media is dominated by lefties -- and now your saying the opposite -- and in the process also betraying your own personal biases --

it is quite ironic that so many NRIs are pro republican and rightwing -- a case of being more white than white people i suppose, trying to fit in -- i suppose they are comfortable with that part of the republican party which is openly anti immigration and whose pronouncements often border on the racist --

ramanujan -- ``islam curse on humanity`` -- haha there ya go again -- im not exactly all that religious ramanujan but at least you make clear where you stand vis a vis islam -- its not the terrorists according to you who misuse islam but the religion itself which is a curse -- also beta i dont think its the americans who hate it as much as they are ignorant but rather you who seems to despise it quite a bit --

actually i leave it for others to decide who lost the argument here moron -- as for me being mediocre ramanujan, i actually studied in the US for five years -- one at an ivy league and the other which by most accounts is better than most ivy league univs -- so by your own moronic standards i shouldnt be all that mediocre -- hahaha -- moron kahin ka sala

ramanujan said: ``Re: #487

Unlike other people you are used to ``debating``, I will stay on target.

GO AHEAD. SUPPLY THE REFERENCES.
-- yes the `target` being making an ass of myself

haha

ram (may i call you that dear) beta, the only person who is making a complete fool of himself is you -- not only a liar but a severely prejudiced one as well -- plz note that in this whole debate no one made fun of hinduism or called it a curse on humanity -- now without indulging in polemics if you could please, try and argue using reason and logic, that is if you know what these two are

#519 by Mantolives

[Its not about religion changing my views but choosing a religion that considered my views kosher...]

You mean drinking Whisky and eating Pork?

[Read again- I never was an Ahmadi or a Sunni or a Wahabi... I loosely associated with being Muslim in so much as that I believe Allah and Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) - a belief that has persisted despite the fact that I also believe what I wrote in 516.]

If that is indeed the case, where was the need for you to change your faith? You already have unquestioned faith in Allah and Mohammed, no? Goes to show that the very foundation on which you based this decision (like all other decisions) is shaky and shallow at best.

[I became an Ismaili alongwith another chowkie, Rozaiba, only when there was a movement against Ismailis by Jamaat-e-Islami ... as a show of solidarity with that sect which is by far the most progressive and liberal.]

You are one confused fellow. On the one hand you say you changed your religion because Ismailism ``considered your views kosher``, in the same post, you say you changed it to show solidarity with that sect. So which one is it?

My posts are there. And yours are there.

I`d rather let people decide if Gandhi slept naked with his grandnieces or not and is the evidence I presented adequate or not.

Beyond that I am not interested in indulging someone like you who has no credibility ab initio.