Varanasi Explodes

Re: # 500 YLH

Nice cartoon :).... By the way - are you alright? Is everything OK between you and the wife - are you getting l@id or not?..... it`s not my business - but You seem to be awfully obssessed with gandhi`s three-some sex-capades, almost bordering on envy.... :) what`s going on there?....

Anycase - you muslims fornicate with your cousins left and right, so what gandhi f***ed his nieces two at a time?.... I mean - hey, the man had a lot of stress - he has to find some release.....right? :)))

ylh: Gandhi`s personal habits may have been strange in some ways - but they are irrelevant to his role in history. And his role in history is surely more positive than most political leaders of the 20th century: after all, he did promote the idea of a non-violent struggle for freedom in India. And he did inspire the Civil Rights movement in the US, which has took US society as big a step forward as the Civil War had done in the previous century - albeit with far less bloodshed. This idea of non-violent struggle also inspired south africa`s Mandela, and that society too took a giant step forward in a peaceful manner: the Sullivan Principles that blocked private foreign investments in south africa could hardly have been conceived in an atmosphere other than that of non-violent struggle, and thus served to bring apartheid to a peaceful end. Compare that with the mau-mau terror of violent resistance in kenya, or even the american revolutionary war (a bloody struggle with no prisoners taken) and the value of gandhi`s contributions become clear.

I am prepared to be educated - if what i have said above is incorrect.

More bloody liars...


(Quoted in part from Nirmal Bose `My days with Gandhi`)

``When I first learnt in detail about Gandhi`s prayog or
experiment, I felt genuinely surprised. I was informed that he
sometimes asked women to share his bed and even the cover which he
used, and tried to ascertain if even the least trace of sensual
feeling had been evoked in himself or his companion.
.


``Personally, I would never tempt myself like that; nor would my
respect for a woman`s personality permit me to treat her as an
instrument of an experiment undertaken only for my own sake. But
when I learnt about this technique of self-examination employed by
Gandhiji, I felt that I had discovered the reason why some regarded
Gandhiji as their private possession, this feeling often leading
them to a kind of emotional imbalance. The behaviour of A, B, or C,
for instance, is no proof of a healthy psychological relationship.
.


``Whatever may be the value of the prayog on Gandhiji`s own case, it
does leave a mark of injury on the personality of others who are
not of the same moral stature as he himself is, and for whom
sharing in Gandhiji`s experiment is no spiritual necessity.``






Gandhi replied to Bose thus: ``I believed in a woman`s perfect
equality with man. My wife was `inferior` when she was the
instrument of my lust. She ceased to be that when she lay with me
naked as my sister. If she and I were not lustfully agitated in our
minds and bodies, the contact raised both of us ...


``I do hope you will acquit me of having any lustful designs upon
women or girls who have been naked with me. .


A campaign of calumny began against him and news of his sleeping
with Manu spread intense shock among Congress leaders in Delhi
waiting to begin their critical talks with India`s new Viceroy.
Gandhi remained untroubled. He calmed his immediate followers in
Noakhali, but when he sent his views to his newspaper, Harijan,
about why Manu shared his bed, the storm broke out again. Two of
Harijan`s editors quit in protest. Its trustees, fearful of a
scandal, did something they had never dreamed of doing before. They
refused to publish the text written by the Mahatma.


Larry Collins and Dominique Lapierre record in Freedom at Midnight
that a series of emissaries discreetly asked Gandhi to abandon his
relationship with Manu. But he refused. He had to leave for Bihar
and he said he would take Manu along with him. Finally, Manu
herself suggested to Gandhi that they suspend the practice.

Another bloody liar...

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/040813.html

Did Mahatma Gandhi sleep with virgins?
13-Aug-2004

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Dear Cecil:

In his book The Sexual Teachings of the White Tigress: Secrets of the Female Taoist Masters, Hsi Lai writes that Mahatma Gandhi ``periodically slept between two twelve-year-old female virgins. He didn`t do this for the purpose of actual sexual contact, but as an ancient practice of rejuvenating his male energy. . . . Taoists called this method `using the ultimate yin to replenish the yang.``` Now, far be it from me to disparage anyone`s best-intentioned efforts to have his yang replenished. Still, I confess that this Gandhi-virgin-sandwich yarn pushes the needle of my BS detector way into the red. Did Gandhi indeed kip with preteen jail-quail? If so, what was his source of supply? --David English, Somerville, Massachusetts

Cecil replies:

Well, they weren`t 12. They also weren`t all virgins; so far as is known they worked solo rather than in pairs; and Gandhi claimed he wasn`t trying to rejuvenate his manly energy but rather prove he had it under control. In all other respects, however, the tome you cite (whatsamatter, David, the bookstore was out of The South Beach Diet?) is 100 percent accurate: the leader of the movement to free India of the British yoke did sleep with young females--and what`s more, both parties were often naked at the time. He was 77 when this odd practice came to light, and from what we know sleeping was all they did. However, when a renowned holy man of any age pulls a stunt like this, he takes the chance that it`ll turn up in a book with a title like The Sexual Teachings of the White Tigress.

Mohandas Gandhi`s sleeping arrangements attracted public attention during the winter of 1946-47, when he was trying to quell violence between Muslims and Hindus in the Noakhali district in what is now Bangladesh. It came out that Gandhi was bunking nightly with his 19-year-old grandniece, Manu. In part this was an effort to stay warm in the winter chill, but Gandhi soon acknowledged there was more to it: he was testing his vow of brahmacharya, or total chastity in thought and deed. If he could spend the night in a woman`s embrace without feeling sexual stirrings, it would demonstrate that he had conquered his carnal impulses and become ``God`s eunuch.`` It turned out that Manu was not his first brahmacharya lab partner--he`d also recently gotten naked (partly, at least) with another young woman in his extended family, starting when she was 18.

Unschooled as you are in the mysteries of the East, David, you scoff--and to be frank, there were quite a few raised eyebrows in India. One of the most vocal critics was Nirmal Kumar Bose, a university lecturer who served as Gandhi`s interpreter in Noakhali. While conceding that no hanky-panky had taken place (Gandhi and his entourage typically all slept in the same room) Bose protested that the master was exploiting the women, each of whom felt she had a special place in his affections and became ``hysterical`` if slighted. (Here I follow the account by author Ved Mehta in his 1976 New Yorker series on Gandhi and his followers.) Gandhi, far from being abashed, vigorously defended himself in meetings, letters, and articles, arguing that making a woman ``the instrument of my lust`` would be far more exploitative than what he actually did.

Remarkably, the critics eventually quieted down. Even Bose, who quit in protest and later discussed the issue in a book, My Days With Gandhi, remained an admirer. Gandhi continued to sleep with women until his assassination in 1948, and the matter is little remembered today. The esteem in which Gandhi was held no doubt partly accounts for the lack of repercussions, along with his advanced age. His notoriously eccentric views on sex may have been a factor too. Gandhi believed that sex for pleasure was sinful (for that matter, he felt eating chocolate was sinful), that sexual attraction between men and women was unnatural, and that husband and wife should live together as brother and sister, having sex only for purposes of procreation. (I take most of this from a memoir by journalist William Shirer, another admirer.) He swore off sex at age 36, required a similar vow of his disciples, and publicly freaked when he had a nocturnal emission in 1936 at age 67. Many hearing him rationalize his unusual blanket substitute probably figured, eh, that`s the mahatma for you. (For what it`s worth, the kinkier takes on the story--e.g., that Gandhi was regularly massaged by naked women--have no basis in fact that I can discover.) Whether or not you buy the notion that he didn`t get off on contact with his very young bedmates (or feel that that would make it any less creepy), it says something about this profoundly strange guy that you can hear his claim that naked sleepovers were tests of purity for both participants and go: You think?

--CECIL ADAMS

Poor Ramanujan..

``bloody liar``

Name one biographer who didn`t mention gandhi`s sleeping naked tactics... All of them did. Take any- and you will find them saying it. Read Gandhi`s Passion especially..

BTW check out this cartoon..



No ... its not from Pakistan. Most PAKISTANIS don`t know Gandhi`s sleeping naked antics...
and are deeply shocked when they find out.

Re: #497

Hello? Suddenly busy with other things?

Okay. I`ll wait.

#497 by Mantolives

[Yawn. Yes whatever you say. Gandhi did not sleep naked with young women. ]

All this ``Yawn`` tactics won`t work with me.

[All of his biographers were lying...]

Which biographers? Where did they say what?

[ and Gandhi himself was just joking when he said that.]

Where did he say that he used to sleep naked with his grandnieces?

P.S. You see? I stay on the message. I`m not going to be distracted. I hope you realize that you will have to provide the evidence or admit you are a bloody liar.

Yawn. Yes whatever you say. Gandhi did not sleep naked with young women. All of his biographers were lying... and Gandhi himself was just joking when he said that.

Re: #495, 494

[Laying naked with a member of the opposite sex is the ultimate act of stopping violence.

Gandhi`s letter to Rajkumari Amrit Kaur, March 18, 1947. Quoted in Pyarelal`s book. ]

This has nothing to do with what we are talking about.


[Apparently every Gandhi biographer and historian holds this opinion. ]

Which biographer? Where did they say what?

[So ... lets not start this nonsense. Gandhi not only slept with these women naked- he used to defaecate in front of them as well... ]

So nothing. Stop this nonsense and provide some historical evidence about him lying naked with grandnieces (and anybody else).

I`m waiting. Stop beating around the bush.

Laying naked with a member of the opposite sex is the ultimate act of stopping violence.

Gandhi`s letter to Rajkumari Amrit Kaur, March 18, 1947. Quoted in Pyarelal`s book.


Just one of the many examples...

Apparently every Gandhi biographer and historian holds this opinion.

So ... lets not start this nonsense. Gandhi not only slept with these women naked- he used to defaecate in front of them as well...

I have a feeling that you are lying through your teeth (an islamic trait), but I`m going to give you the benefit of doubt for now.

I`ll be waiting for your REFERENCES....

[#490 by Mantolives on March 13, 2006 7:33am PT
Re: # 486

Get a life. #485 and 487 should give you more than enough references. ]

Heh heh. I have a pretty good life.

Don`t try to change the subject. I was not debating you on Gandhi`s racism right now. So #487 is IRRELEVENT.

About #485, that is an opinion piece in a magazine. Many people say many things about world figures. That is NOT historical evidence. I hope you come up with REFERENCES that could be considered historical evidence.

I`ll be waiting for you to give ACTUAL REFERENCES, NOT OPINIONS about Gandhi allegedly sleeping naked with young women.

Re: # 486

Get a life. #485 and 487 should give you more than enough references.

Re: #487

Unlike other people you are used to ``debating``, I will stay on target.

GO AHEAD. SUPPLY THE REFERENCES.