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Re: #25

Stuka,

I agree 100%. It is the secularist trend started by Gandhi that has blossomed into ``saccularist`` Lalu and Paswan and Sonia Gandhi today.

ONLY IN INDIA IS IT POSSIBLE THAT YOU CAN DO THIS IN THE HOLIEST PLACE FOR HINDUS AND GET ACCUSED BY BA$TARDS THAT WE DID IT TO OURSELVES.

There IS a solution to this problem. Today, Spain is 96% Catholic. We should follow their example.

#33 india becoming 96% catholic is a novel solution... very out of the box ;-)

A barbaric act...my sympathies with the victims` families. Hope and pray this event does not turn into something larger. this is tragic by itself.

my gray hairs tell me running to conclusiosn is hasty...we don`t know who did it yet..we will probably never know who did it. people blaming it on muslims or even ISI are putting cart in front of the horse..there is no evidence of it yet. also sickening is the glee of this ``parthaab`` guy who is almost having orgasms jumping post after post trying to blame his enemies for this incident.

Parthaab`s case on chowk is interesting...he came fully equiped with his party logic and facts but has turned into a mad dog within few weeks of refutation of his logic and facts by opponents.

Ramanujam:

My defending Godse in that time and place has nothing to do with my being sympathetic to Hindu fundamentalists now. I am very much secular in outlook.

#36 by stuka

[Ramanujam:

My defending Godse in that time and place has nothing to do with my being sympathetic to Hindu fundamentalists now. I am very much secular in outlook. ]


``Secular``, eh? Let`s see...


What do you think of POTA?

#35 what bugs me is in bangladesh they seem to be solving their bombings very fast. whats the deal in india? what is tehelka doing? or are the facts too inflamatory?

#36 by stuka

I forgot this one:

And what do you think happened in Godhra?

Out of which sewer did this parthaab crawl out?

Boy, this is going to be a real test of maturity. Lets see if the UP and Federal goverment can rise to the occassion. No random retaliation but careful systematic analysis of the funding. Once the funding trail is established (could be via so many places), focus on completely ending this nonsense with maximum force.

1947 riots were started by Muslims in Lahore everybody knows that. Sikhs had to retaliate in self-defence. You people killed my relatives for no fault. You killed my mother`s cousins in trains all for the land grabbing. OTOH, we Sikhs dropped our Muslims friends upto Ambala station and offered them money. We even took good care of Muslims who decided to become Sikhs.

This is really pissing me off.

If India would have been one, my ancesstors would have been famous people and I would be living in a Haveli and not work like a common man. We had 100s of Acres of Land and we mixed with English only.

Re: # 25

More than 56 years after Gandhi was shot so venomously, there is little clarity about the contours of a putative conspiracy behind his assassination. Since Independence, the RSS leadership has been accused of giving legitimacy to Nathuram Godse and his band.

The post-assassination Justice J L Kapoor commission had spent a lot of time trying to get under what seems to be a palimpsest of the conspiracy. What eluded Justice Kapoor’s findings are the identities of the powerful vested interest/s that wanted to eliminate such a significant political factor.

If the manner in which the assassination was executed is anything to go by, the killer received support from some very powerful sections in the ruling establishment. They could be the British, who were then still controlling the levers of government and who clearly disliked the idea of a future that had Indians and Pakistanis enjoying a cordial relationship.

Or it could be a powerful section within the government that identified itself with the philosophy of the RSS and the Hindu Mahasabha? There are also historical indications that the RSS might have been receiving active support from the British Foreign Office.

Assassination theories, many dealing in historical forensics, which came into their own in the years after the shooting of US president John F Kennedy, indicate that Gandhi’s assassination was not the handiwork of a few misdirected youth. According to one such theory, elucidated by the Editors of Executive Intelligence Review in their book, Derivative Assassination, the assassin often has no knowledge of the ultimate authorship of his action. He should have a strong motive for killing, but a motive that invariably has nothing to do with that of those who select him. This device forecloses the possibility of the killer identifying them if he is caught, or a historical understanding of their real motives. In fact, mainline history has long said that Godse’s testimony and the apparent hatred of his group towards Gandhi’s attempts to restore amity between Hindus and Muslims were the reasons for the act.

The essential part of assassination plots with decoy motives is that the plotters must succeed in creating, for one very brief, crucial period, a theatrically-staged, total environment around the victim to show that it was a “lone assassin” who did the deed. In Mahatma Gandhi’s case, Nathuram Godse came alone, dumping his belongings at Delhi railway station.

What underscores the involvement of powerful forces is the behaviour of the authorities after the first attempt on Gandhi’s life made by Chaman Lal a week prior. During his investigation, Lal revealed the contours of the conspiracy and the fact that his group was determined to kill Gandhi. Surprisingly, no one paid much attention to his confession. The Home Department, then headed by Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel, showed no drive towards digging deeper. It is seldom that there are two assassination attempts in the space of a few days and the authorities do nothing about them.

Perhaps more bizarre is the fact that Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel was sitting with Gandhi just before Gandhi walked to his death. There have also been questions about why the Mahatma was not rushed to hospital and instead taken inside his living quarters in Birla Bhavan. Even though there was no way Gandhi’s frail body could have survived three bullets, it was odd, at the very least, that he was taken inside the house rather than to a hospital.

Like all assassinations that have taken place in post-Independence India, there has been little clarity about what Gandhi’s conspirators sought to achieve. While broad hints have been dropped now and again about how big powers hate leaders with grassroots support and independent minds, investigators have seldom gone beyond the motive of a Nathuram Godse, a Beant Singh (one of Indira Gandhi’s killers) or a Dhanu (Rajiv Gandhi’s suicide bomber).

In the days before his death, Gandhi had expressed a desire to go and live in Pakistan. He wouldn’t have gone by train, of course, let alone fly. He would have walked. Slowly, as during the Salt March which shook the British empire, the Mahatma would have wended his way across the dusty plains of north India with his band of followers — and the international press — in tow.

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And ``secular`` Stuka - what happened?

I am waiting for your response.

Ramanujam:

POTA is a legal act with national secuirty implications and no religious bias.

Neither you now I ``know`` what happened in Godhra. We may choose to believe one thing or the other. Regardless of what happened in Godhra, the Gov`t response was despicable.

Parthaab: here is another theory for you to chew on. Communists of India are too worried about US ivnestments coming to India and bringing imperialistic capitalism with it...also they are afraid if India becomes more capitalist it will not be good for communist China and they won`t be able to bring red revolution to India...so some dedicated communist revolutionaries decided to sacrifice few of their countrymen to deter foreign investment in India (and as such save India) and strengthen China and at the same time log strong protest against Bush`s visit last week. Rememebr as you said few days ago it was only Hindus who welcomed Bush...well now this should send a message to Hindus not to do so in future. How is that for a theory?

Let`s hope cooler heads prevail. Islamic fundamentalism is a scourge from the philippines to the US, it targets not just non-muslims but muslims as well. Idiotic vengeful reprisals are not what is needed. Structurally removing the support is what is needed. Get rid of special civil considerations for muslims, bring back POTA, adopt Israel like policies in going after religious thugs, both hindu and muslim alike and create a fucking citizenry devoid of communal voter bases...

Good post Umer # 27,

The only outcome of such incidents is riots, loss of life and political mudslinging. The real culprits will never be caught, if we go by the past record. No one has been caught for Diwali bombing, Godhra burning and even its aftermath. What beats me are these sick commies who keep blowing up innocents (in chhatisgarh, bihar and A.P.) and then claim higher ground.
Equally pathetic are the christian terrorists in N.E., whose actions never get reported by the indian media. I think the indian media is blind to commie and xian terrorism, but will jump on any one else without cue. More than the politicians in india, its the media which needs brain transplant.
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